Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

timmyntc wrote: »

The reality is they have managed things woefully, and as a result compliance is down. It is never going up again.

Most people are not afraid of the virus, and they could not care less about the governments messaging anymore. Any goodwill that was there is long gone.

We will never see sub 100 cases - it will plateau long before then.

was in supervalu yesterday, people on top of each other, the only difference to pre covid is, they are wearing a mask... this is mostly younger people, but many are totally over this crap!

If ever you needed an example of how the media manage a story to suit their agenda.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/twelve-elderly-patients-who-died-after-vaccine-had-other-conditions-1.4488873

Story on front of Irish Times now, "Twelve elderly patients who died after vaccine had other conditions". When is it EVER in the headline that someone who died with covid had other conditions, often multiple conditions ?


They can say this about the vaccine but not after a death with covid.
" it is not considered that the vaccine played a contributory role in these events,” the HPRA said in its latest safety update on Covid-19 vaccines.

“It can be expected that fatalities due to progression of underlying disease or natural causes will continue to occur, including following vaccination. However, this does not meant that the deaths were caused by the vaccine."

francogarbanzo wrote: »

It's not going on and on because some people are not following the rules. It's going on and on despite the vast majority of people following them.

This is the thing that people are missing...

NPHET are firmly in control now...I said this before last summer, Ronan Glynn getting giddy at the prospect of going out for a walk...

Not a meal, not a pint, not a "staycation" a ****ing walk...
That's the level and train of thought you're up against here...

90%, maybe 95% of people have followed the restrictions for nearly 12 months now and there is no plan to come out of it. Only whatever NPHET say and considering Holohan was happy enough to have a conference with medical people from all over Europe, in Croke Park last Easter, to talk about his hatred of alcohol and dismiss the virus as not a big deal, whilst going on "Dermot and Dave" to have his belly rubbed by those two morons, along with Rover's excitement for a walk and their collective hesitancy and "concern" over opening last summer, it's not too far fetched to suggest it'll be longer than you think before these restrictions are lifted

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Will you go away out of that with your common sense.

"Personal responsibility"? lol. These boardsies are seeking love and support. It's a cry for help in my considered opinion.

Rich from the lad whose every post is a cry for attention.

If we all play our part we will be fully back to normal at some point in 2025 2022.

Eye on the prize :cool:

timmyntc wrote: »

Once we have the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated the hospital admissions will plummet and there is no reason not to open things up.

And they will be opened up at that point, or very shortly thereafter. But we could be several months away from that point yet, depending on how you define 'vulnerable'.

Many people are taking issue with the manner of the restrictions being extended came about. I think there is more wrong here than this.

When it comes to restrictions people can only comply with higher level restrictions for a limited amount of time. Most of us know there has to be some level of restrictions. You will get better compliance at the lower levels of restrictions. The longer Level 5 goes on the more socially acceptable it becomes to break the rules.

Right now the cases are falling but at the progress is slow. At the rate they are falling it’s too long for people to stick to the restrictions. January to May with very limited social contact with others is too much for the majority of people. Social contact with others is not a want it’s a human need and this need is not being met sufficiently for many people.

At this point it’s clear Level 5 is not effective for quickly pushing cases down. There should of been a harder lockdown. This hard lockdown should be short. I am talking about no take aways, only supermarkets, pharmacies open. Reduction in number of business’s deemed essential, no NCT’s, driving tests etc. Most people could tolerate and stick to it provided they know that it has an end date and what to expect next. The harder the lockdown the more you interfere with chains of transmission. As it’s short it becomes socially unacceptable to break the rules.

There are many more issues with how NHPET and government are handling this but endless Level 5 is madness.

mohawk wrote: »

Many people are taking issue with the manner of the restrictions being extended came about. I think there is more wrong here than this.

When it comes to restrictions people can only comply with higher level restrictions for a limited amount of time. Most of us know there has to be some level of restrictions. You will get better compliance at the lower levels of restrictions. The longer Level 5 goes on the more socially acceptable it becomes to break the rules.

Right now the cases are falling but at the progress is slow. At the rate they are falling it’s too long for people to stick to the restrictions. January to May with very limited social contact with others is too much for the majority of people. Social contact with others is not a want it’s a human need and this need is not being met sufficiently for many people.

At this point it’s clear Level 5 is not effective for quickly pushing cases down. There should of been a harder lockdown. This hard lockdown should be short. I am talking about no take aways, only supermarkets, pharmacies open. Reduction in number of business’s deemed essential, no NCT’s, driving tests etc. Most people could tolerate and stick to it provided they know that it has an end date and what to expect next. The harder the lockdown the more you interfere with chains of transmission. As it’s short it becomes socially unacceptable to break the rules.

There are many more issues with how NHPET and government are handling this but endless Level 5 is madness.

Agree. I have been advocating level 9 for some time to speed things up.

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

Kermit the government eased restrictions at Christmas which is the absolute worst possible time of year to do it.

54000 people also arrived into the state over Christmas and I doubt the 54000 people did their 14 day quarantine.

Maybe it's time to realize the government are not up to the task.

I have been berating the government over Christmas ever since! It was a terrible mistake.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If we all play our part we will be fully back to normal at some point in 2025 2022.

Eye on the prize :cool:

I'll be fully back to normal again tomorrow... watching Liverpool vs Everton with the lads having a few beers... We're all in our 40's and able to decide for ourselves with regards to taking calculated risks with a flu-like virus, which has a 99.91% survival rate (in IRELAND) with under 65's.

Joseph Goebbels (Mr. Nazi propaganda) was asked at the Nuremberg trials:
"how did you dupe so many Germans", to which he replied: "it's amazing what you can get people to do when they are in a state of true fear"

malinheader wrote: »

They are blaming the extended lockdown on the UK strain being around 90% of the covid cases in the country now.
If the south African strain gets a grip here I suspect we will be locked down for good.

Ironically this super covid 2.0 UK style has the UK's current R number between 0.6 to 0.9. The lowest the R number here has ever been estimated to be. All these mutated variants are a load of nonsense.