Mary Robinson and the Princess

jm08 wrote: »

She is claiming a bit more than that. She is claiming “imprisonment, torture and abuse” by her own family which doesn't really fit in with the lifestyle of sky diving, western friends etc.

Western friend - singular, not plural, right? And friend was actually employee. And historical, so no western friend is in place now, right?

Former president Mary Robinson has no regrets over Dubai princess visit https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/former-president-mary-robinson-has-no-regrets-over-dubai-princess-visit-905272.html

Speaking after an event in Trinity College Dublin on Monday, she defended her decision to get involved saying she “went to help a friend”.

it isn't Haya that needs a friend.

jm08 wrote: »

She is claiming that her life is under threat and that she has been tortured by her father.

Do you find that believable, because I don't.

If Daddy said nobody is under threat and nobody has ever been tortured in UAE would you believe it?

I find it difficult to get my head around any Irish person other than a horse breeder or a jockey believing a benign version of this story. The authorities aren't even making much effort to justify their position. They don't need to. They have UAE by the cobblers, and also those in the west who prefer big bucks (or dirhams and dinars) to human rights.

I bet you can't tell us who topped the poll in the last elections in Dubai.

jm08 wrote: »

feargale wrote: »

If Daddy said nobody is under threat and nobody has ever been tortured in UAE would you believe it?

I find it difficult to get my head around any Irish person other than a horse breeder or a jockey believing a benign version of this story. The authorities aren't even making much effort to justify their position. They don't need to. They have UAE by the cobblers, and also those in the west who prefer big bucks (or dirhams and dinars) to human rights.

I bet you can't tell us who topped the poll in the last elections in Dubai.

What doesn't add up for me is that she is still alive because according to her video her father would kill her, having tortured her.

And what really doesn't add up is how her two western friends are alive and well and free to go about their business and are not at the minimum rotting in some UAE jail if not dead.

It would a remarkably foolish tactic for Daddy to make enemies of the Finnish and French governments and people for no benefit.

Her boat crew were tortured after the special forces raid on it.

People often go missing in the UAE, torture, especially sexual torture is endemic in prisons there, by the staff.

Her Uncle was videoed a couple years ago torturing a man and then go finishing him off by driving over him with a car.

The ruling Sheikh has had to settle in America for torturing people.

Personally involved in torture, not just signing off on it.

jm08 wrote: »

They could have killed them when taking her from the yacht and say these people were kidnapping her. The Indian Government didn't have a problem assisting the UAE over this issue.



Middle Eastern Countries don't have a problem throwing westerners in jail for the flimsiest of reasons.

What's in it for them? Why would they want to kill them?

Mary back in the news because the "troubled young womans" step mother has only gone and done a runner..

jm08 wrote: »

Middle Eastern Countries don't have a problem throwing westerners in jail for the flimsiest of reasons.

And less of a problem doing it to their own people.

Wonder where this will twist next. Between the Sheiks amateur poetry on Instagram, the High Court divorce battle and UK arms deals with the UAE things are set to get interesting. Was reading that Haya is staying in her £90m gaff in Kensington and has hired a security company led by ex-Met and MI5 types to prevent her being kidnapped (as happened another UAE princess on the streets of Cambridge)

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

They would say she's mad or "deeply troubled"

She looks well fed. She didnt show any marks or bruises.
Its actually an insulting comparison.


She speaks English she is clearly educated to a high level. That doesn't sound like a little girl raised by the taliban.

Most women came out of the Magdalene laundries several malnourished emaciated and illiterate.

jm08 wrote: »

I don't have an agenda other than I think that her story doesn't really add up. I think some people here have some sort of an anti Mary Robinson agenda going on more than anything else.

How? I'm going on what she said on her video - that her life was in danger and that she has been tortured. In the video she said if anyone was watching this she was either dead or in serious trouble. She isn't dead and neither are her friends who tried to liberate her.

For someone who was imprisoned, she was able to contact the French spy and correspond with him frequently by email and she also had about 400K in funds. She could also go and visit her friend the Finnish woman in her apartment.

While she may resent not being able to travel freely, its not really surprising considering who her father is. That article in the Guardian from 2001 said that after her elder sister ran away, her father sold their English estate where up to then, the whole family had spent every summer there.

So was Mary Robinson right? Are they all grand in the family?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51756984 "The rulings have been welcomed by human rights campaigners."

Its not only Robbo who wants to sweep this under the carpet, the Queen too is close to Sheikh al Maktoum through horse racing, she even awarded him the trophy just at Royal Ascot just last year and its believed they have traded racehorses together

It'll be interesting now where this goes. It came out in the trial that when he ordered the kidnapping and abducted hos daughter Princess Shamsa off the streets of Cambridge in 2001 the investigating police officer was denied his request by the Crown Prosecution Service to travel to Dubai to investigate further. Someone wanted the police investigation to go nowhere and thats exactly what happened. Now MPs are calling for it to be re-opened and investigated properly.

The UK Foreign Office also have a file on the kidnapping but refused to divulge it for this civil trial. Ive no doubt there is a smoking gun in that file where agents of MI5/6 knew exactly what was going on with the kidnapping on British soil, they'd be incompetent if they didnt.

Some detail on the kidnapping and abduction of Princess Shamsa in Cambridge, 200o

Two decades ago, 19-year-old Princess Shamsa was snatched from the street in Cambridge.

She and two friends had visited a bar. Later that evening, a car pulled up and, by her account, at least four armed men were inside. She claimed they were Dubai nationals from Sheikh Mohammed’s personal staff. Shamsa said she was ordered into the car, driven to a property in Newmarket and flown to Dubai by private jet the next day.

These events in August 2000 triggered a police investigation, accusations of diplomatic interference and questions about the behaviour of one of the UK’s most distinguished royal visitors.

The previous month, Shamsa had fled the Longcross estate near Chobham, Surrey, where her father – Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, the vice-president and prime minister of the United Arab Emirates and ruler of Dubai – had installed the family for the summer. Her mother, Houria Ahmed Lamara, is Algerian.

Slipping through an open gate to Chobham Common, Shamsa made her way from Surrey to a temporary hostel in south London. She went to see an immigration solicitor and sought advice about remaining in Britain.

She then travelled to Cambridge, from where she was abducted. In an email she later managed to smuggle out from captivity in Dubai to the solicitor, Shamsa alleged: “I was caught by my father, he managed to track me down through someone I kept in touch with.

“I was caught on the 19th August, in Cambridge. He sent four Arab men to catch me, they were carrying guns and threatening me, they drove me to my father’s place in Newmarket, there they gave me two injections and a handful of tablets, the very next morning a helicopter came and flew me to the plane, which took me back to Dubai. I am locked up until today.”

She added: “I haven’t seen anyone, not even the man you call my father. I told you this would happen … I know these people, they have all the money, they have all the power, they think they can do anything. You said that if he kidnapped me, you would contact the Home Office and involve them. Now, I am not only asking you to report this immediately, I am asking your help and to involve the authorities (involve everyone).”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/05/kidnapping-case-what-happened-to-sheikh-mohammeds-daughters

She was 19 years of age in 2000 so is 39 now. She hasnt been seen in public since her kidnapping, no one is ever sure if she is alive.

Princess Lafifa who tried to escape over the border with Oman in 2002 was caught and put in prison:-

“It was constant torture, constant torture, even when they weren’t physically beating me up, they were torturing me,” said Latifa. “They would make sounds to harass me and then they would come in the middle of the night, to pull me out of bed, to beat me …”

She then escaped again in 2018 and also hasnt been seen in public since the infamous Mary Robinson charade.

I think Robbo got blindsided in this whole thing. Princess Haya told her that Latifa was fine and just a troubled woman who needed help. At the time Haya herself had been lied to by the Sheikh.

But whatever about the deception that they put Robbo through now she knows the truth she has a duty to speak out. Robbo knows these people since Haya was living in Ireland and riding horses in Kildare. The UK court case has laid bare that the Sheikh abducted his own daughters against their will, tortured at least one of them and neither has been seen in public since. If Robbo doesnt speak out now that all the facts are public she has lost all credibility as someone who claims to be a human rights lawyer.

Yeah I think there is two main issues. One is that Mary Robinson is not a psychiatrist so her making pronouncements on Latifas medical state is of no use whatsoever and I dont know what the UN were thinking in accepting that report back to them. Its one thing for Robinson to go out there and check for 'proof of life' and an entirely different thing to be making assessments that everything is grand, she just needs medical help which she is getting, nothing to see here, etc

The second seems to be how Robinson got tricked/deceived into this family lunch in Dubai. AFAIK at the time Haya genuinely believed the line been spun to her by the Sheikh that Latifa was troubled and had mental health problems. Haya set up the family lunch with Robinson on this basis to show the world that Latifa was fine and just needed medical attention, which was exactly the line the Sheikh wanted to spin to the UN and the media.

It was only after that family lunch that Haya visited Latifa and she said she collapsed in her arms crying and gave her the full story of her kidnapping and abduction by the Indian commandos working on behalf of the UAE government. During this abduction on the yacht in the Indian ocean Latifa pleaded with the Indian soldiers to shoot her now as she didnt want to go back to the UAE alive. It seems that Haya got more and more concerned about Latifa and tried to mediate with the Sheikh but he got angry and ordered her to keep her nose out of his business and to no longer contact Latifa. Sometime thereafter Haya did her own runner to London where she remains now.

I think it is likely that Robinson got royally shafted here probably because she trusted Haya and Haya herself fell for the lies. The Sheikh used Robinsons name and reputation to give cover to his dirty work as to what is really going on with Latifa and Robinson is the one left with egg all over her face.

Notwithstanding all that the question now is why doesnt Robinson come out publically and honestly and say she got used and duped by the Sheikh and has concerns for Latifas welfare in light of evidence of torture given at the civil trial in London. Surely that is what someone who claims to defend human rights would do? There is a very high chance that Latifa is being tortured right now just as she was for 3.5 years in prison in 2002 after she got caught trying to escape to Oman. The right thing for Robinson to do now is to publically call on the Sheikh the put Latifa on a plane to London to prove that 1) She is not being tortured and 2) that she is not being held against her own will.

Im beginning to wonder why Robinson is remaining silent on this. A human rights lawyer who is directly connected to someone who is likely being tortured and she says nothing? You begin to wonder has the Sheikh been donating large sums of money to the Mary Robinson Foundation?

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah I think there is two main issues. One is that Mary Robinson is not a psychiatrist so her making pronouncements on Latifas medical state is of no use whatsoever and I dont know what the UN were thinking in accepting that report back to them. Its one thing for Robinson to go out there and check for 'proof of life' and an entirely different thing to be making assessments that everything is grand, she just needs medical help which she is getting, nothing to see here, etc

The second seems to be how Robinson got tricked/deceived into this family lunch in Dubai. AFAIK at the time Haya genuinely believed the line been spun to her by the Sheikh that Latifa was troubled and had mental health problems. Haya set up the family lunch with Robinson on this basis to show the world that Latifa was fine and just needed medical attention, which was exactly the line the Sheikh wanted to spin to the UN and the media.

It was only after that family lunch that Haya visited Latifa and she said she collapsed in her arms crying and gave her the full story of her kidnapping and abduction by the Indian commandos working on behalf of the UAE government. During this abduction on the yacht in the Indian ocean Latifa pleaded with the Indian soldiers to shoot her now as she didnt want to go back to the UAE alive. It seems that Haya got more and more concerned about Latifa and tried to mediate with the Sheikh but he got angry and ordered her to keep her nose out of his business and to no longer contact Latifa. Sometime thereafter Haya did her own runner to London where she remains now.

I think it is likely that Robinson got royally shafted here probably because she trusted Haya and Haya herself fell for the lies. The Sheikh used Robinsons name and reputation to give cover to his dirty work as to what is really going on with Latifa and Robinson is the one left with egg all over her face.

Notwithstanding all that the question now is why doesnt Robinson come out publically and honestly and say she got used and duped by the Sheikh and has concerns for Latifas welfare in light of evidence of torture given at the civil trial in London. Surely that is what someone who claims to defend human rights would do? There is a very high chance that Latifa is being tortured right now just as she was for 3.5 years in prison in 2002 after she got caught trying to escape to Oman. The right thing for Robinson to do now is to publically call on the Sheikh the put Latifa on a plane to London to prove that 1) She is not being tortured and 2) that she is not being held against her own will.

Im beginning to wonder why Robinson is remaining silent on this. A human rights lawyer who is directly connected to someone who is likely being tortured and she says nothing? You begin to wonder has the Sheikh been donating large sums of money to the Mary Robinson Foundation?

Wow Haya had no notion that what was alleged could be true? had she never heard about what happened to her older sister?



...had Haya not watched the video?

That’s insane, she told the world the girl was nuts and needed help and put her life in danger

Deeply troubled young woman or something