Star Wars: The Mandalorian [ Spoilers ] [Disney+] (US Pace)

silverharp · 12-02-2021 11:47pm

Amy Schumer maybe

Need a Username · 12-02-2021 11:56pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I'd rather see Bill Burr return than cast another ex sports fighter TBH. I know comedy is a tricky needle threaded in the franchise, but Burrs style meshed quite nicely all told. That little scene with his ex commander really worked for me too, showed he had enough range to carry off something more dramatic or tragic. Plus the idea of a mouthy Bostonite in the SW universe is just funny

I would rather see a skill fighter than an actor.

That scene with Mayfield and this old CO is one of the highlights of the whole show. I’ve never seen Burr act or in stand up and only know him from F is For Family (which I has assumed was just a version of himself) so based on the previous episode I though he just did “loud mouth” characters but he bloody food in those few minutes.

I don’t think he should get a larger role though - turning up once a season is plenty.

I keep expecting Hondo to show his face in the show.

Need a Username · 12-02-2021 11:59pm

silverharp wrote: »

Amy Schumer maybe

Didn’t she cause upset by having a threesome with Artoo and Threepio?

Foxtrol · 13-02-2021 12:00am

Tony EH wrote: »

I said SHE was hired as fill a check box. Which she was. Fuck all to do with "projection" or whatever pseudo psychological nonsense you want to try and employ.

She was given a part because she's an MMA fighter and her sole contribution to the show was to beat up a few people each episode she appeared in.

I don't find it "tough" at all . But I'm not going to ignore the obvious.

I don't need to employ anything special to dissect your posts – you’ve made it is crystal clear again and again that you have some sort of underlying problem with strong women being portrayed in the media.

Tony EH wrote: »

Her "character" was really only a tick box effort anyway, so the show could have some female knock the crap out of blokes each week, because that's somehow "equality" or something.

Tony EH wrote: »

She was a tick box of "Strong Female Character" which in today's Hollywood terms means only its bluntest extrapolation.

Tony EH wrote: »

I said SHE was hired as fill a check box.

Tony EH · 13-02-2021 12:03am

pixelburp wrote: »

I'd rather see Bill Burr return than cast another ex sports fighter TBH. I know comedy is a tricky needle threaded in the franchise, but Burrs style meshed quite nicely all told. That little scene with his ex commander really worked for me too, showed he had enough range to carry off something more dramatic or tragic. Plus the idea of a mouthy Bostonite in the SW universe is just funny

Against all my expectations, Burr actually put in a decent shift in the two episodes he appeared in. The latter being the best effort, of course.

I wouldn't mind him seeing more of him either.

Tony EH · 13-02-2021 12:11am

Foxtrol wrote: »

I don't need to employ anything special to dissect your posts – you’ve made it is crystal clear again and again that you have some sort of underlying problem with strong women being portrayed in the media.

I don't what the problem is with you and you're not "dissecting" anything at all.

Yes, I've been very clear and very straight forward. Gina Carano was hired because she's an ex MMA fighter to fulfil the "Strong Female Character" trope in the current way that Hollywood understands it. I.E. a female character that gets to knock the crap out of people. In other words, the most simplistic rendition of that phrase that one can imagine.

She certainly wasn't hired because of her stellar acting skills, nor was Cara Dune a character that was written with any kind of depth or nuance.

She's basically just a muscle bound brute sidekick cliche in female form.

It has nothing to do with an "underlying problem with strong women being portrayed in the media" or any other junk you have floating around in your own head.

NIMAN · 13-02-2021 10:23am

Has the show a history of just vanishing characters out of it anyway?

I rewatched Series 2 over the last week, and in the final episode last night I noticed that when they went and got the 2 female Mandalorians to help them, the guy that was part of that trio just vanished? No mention of him or we didn't see him die, did we?

Relikk · 13-02-2021 10:35am

Tony EH wrote: »

Thing is there isn't any pressing need to replace her. The hole that Carano is leaving ain't that wide and Cara Dune isn't a character on which much of anything hinged that much.

Indeed. Her arc can be considered as finished regardless of whether all this nonsense transpired or not. A former shock trooper with no purpose since the Rebellion that now has a purpose as a New Republic marshal on Nevarro. Done. She would only have been popping up here and there every few seasons while working on the Rangers series.

Tony EH · 13-02-2021 3:42pm

Relikk wrote: »

Indeed. Her arc can be considered as finished regardless of whether all this nonsense transpired or not. A former shock trooper with no purpose since the Rebellion that now has a purpose as a New Republic marshal on Nevarro. Done. She would only have been popping up here and there every few seasons while working on the Rangers series.

Exactly. What she amounts to is somebody that helped Ding Dong out on a few side quests. Her entire impact on the show is summed up in your single sentence.

Now that Baby Yoda has been "delivered", they could go their separate ways. It's not like they were joined at the hip or had forged an inseparable bond or anything, and to all intents and purposes she was only ever going to be a bit part player that offered the Mando something to do in between his main objective.

The real loss, as far as Carano is concerned anyway, is the possibility that she was going to get her own show or what would have amounted to that. Obviously, that's not something she gives that much of a crap about. Whining about being an "oppressed" Republican was more important to her it seems.

Biafranlivemat · 14-02-2021 6:35am

Because of what Disney did to Gina Carano.
I cancelled Disney+ on Friday.

I'm not the only one, hurt Disney in the pocket.

CramCycle · 14-02-2021 7:34am

Why? They didn't fire her, they haven't spoken trash about her, they just haven't and hadn't pencilled her in for anything. A decision I imagine they took awhile ago, not after that latest tweet.

Need a Username · 14-02-2021 8:51am

NIMAN wrote: »

Has the show a history of just vanishing characters out of it anyway?

I rewatched Series 2 over the last week, and in the final episode last night I noticed that when they went and got the 2 female Mandalorians to help them, the guy that was part of that trio just vanished? No mention of him or we didn't see him die, did we?

He hasn’t vanished or been written out.

He is a minor character that wasn’t needed for the episode. Maybe he will return and maybe he won’t.

By this “logic” every TV show needs to account for every character that has appeared in it?

14-02-2021 9:02am

CramCycle wrote: »

Why? They didn't fire her, they haven't spoken trash about her, they just haven't and hadn't pencilled her in for anything. A decision I imagine they took awhile ago, not after that latest tweet.

Of course it was because of the tweets.

pixelburp · 14-02-2021 11:48am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Of course it was because of the tweets.

And Disney were entitled to behave as they did. We can't have it both ways; social media both being ones every inner belief, made PUBLIC, then cry fowl when employers decide those beliefs don't gel. Dressing this up as a Culture Wars issue blurs the simple reality people need to learn. Social media is YOU. Don't post anything you wouldn't want your employer reading, it's not rocket science :pac:

CramCycle · 14-02-2021 11:59am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Of course it was because of the tweets.

Dear lord, I meant not that one tweet. This idea that it was a corporate decision based on one tweet which was in fact possibly one of her least controversial tweets. She was gone ages ago. No song and dance though, they just didn't call her back or were not going to call her back. She wasn't fired, she simply wasn't given another gig. Decision was made long before a few people on twitter copped a news article that simply ran with a truthful, non inflammatory one line response to a question. It also didn't hurt that while she was a kick ass fighter, her acting was skilfully written around, as in she had to do very little. This really is a non issue that only benefits her by people kicking up a storm over it. The movie she is about to make will be a straight to video travesty, just like that guy from Hercules.

Need a Username · 14-02-2021 9:54pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Dear lord, I meant not that one tweet. This idea that it was a corporate decision based on one tweet which was in fact possibly one of her least controversial tweets. She was gone ages ago. No song and dance though, they just didn't call her back or were not going to call her back. She wasn't fired, she simply wasn't given another gig. Decision was made long before a few people on twitter copped a news article that simply ran with a truthful, non inflammatory one line response to a question. It also didn't hurt that while she was a kick ass fighter, her acting was skilfully written around, as in she had to do very little. This really is a non issue that only benefits her by people kicking up a storm over it. The movie she is about to make will be a straight to video travesty, just like that guy from Hercules.

I’ve said a few times that wasn’t “fired” and they probably decided long ago not to use her again - Lucasfilm had simply not been asked or had avoided the question up until now.

Foxtrol · 14-02-2021 10:34pm

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

Because of what Disney did to Gina Carano.
I cancelled Disney+ on Friday.

I'm not the only one, hurt Disney in the pocket.

Ah yes, just like conservative media took down the NFL and French fries.

Disney are surely quaking in their boots.

Foxtrol · 14-02-2021 10:54pm

Tony EH wrote: »

I don't what the problem is with you and you're not "dissecting" anything at all.

Yes, I've been very clear and very straight forward. Gina Carano was hired because she's an ex MMA fighter to fulfil the "Strong Female Character" trope in the current way that Hollywood understands it. I.E. a female character that gets to knock the crap out of people. In other words, the most simplistic rendition of that phrase that one can imagine.

She certainly wasn't hired because of her stellar acting skills, nor was Cara Dune a character that was written with any kind of depth or nuance.

She's basically just a muscle bound brute sidekick cliche in female form.

It has nothing to do with an "underlying problem with strong women being portrayed in the media" or any other junk you have floating around in your own head.

She was hired to play the 'Strong character trope' which has existed practically since the first movies and TV shows - usually with big guys who are as limited actors as she is.

If you have no problem with strong women being portrayed in the media then why have you posted over and over regarding her gender when it has nothing to do with the character in this show? I'm confident you could have put a man in the role and barely had to change a line in any episode she appeared.

Why did them casting a woman in a this type of role anger or scare you so much?

Tony EH · 14-02-2021 11:53pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Why did them casting a woman in a this type of role anger or scare you so much?

Don't be so stupid.

Need a Username · 15-02-2021 1:15am

Tony EH wrote: »

Don't be so stupid.

You seem to be a very angry person.

Which means you seems to have not understood some of the lessons that the Star Wars story teaches.

Agent Coulson · 15-02-2021 1:54am

I can't see Baby Yoda not being in season 3 for the simple reason the merch sales must be in the tens if not hundreds of millions there is no way they don't use Baby Yoda in season 3

Relikk · 15-02-2021 11:24am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I can't see Baby Yoda not being in season 3 for the simple reason the merch sales must be in the tens if not hundreds of millions there is no way they don't use Baby Yoda in season 3

Therein lies the problem with The Mandalorian as the title character has been completely overshadowed by Grogu, and if they had plans to write him out of a season I'm sure that's thrown out of the window now. The internet and social media being what it is, will be full of questions and toxic criticism about where Grogu is and why he's not in it. They're not going to risk that, and the potential monetary gains you mentioned.

Homelander · 15-02-2021 11:58am

Foxtrol wrote: »

Why did them casting a woman in a this type of role anger or scare you so much?

I really am not getting the logic here.

Unless I am reading it wrong, his issue with that the character exists solely as a weak cliche, with no depth, no nuance, no charisma, no great acting skills behind the character.

A role and character that just exists because it ticks a box, and it would be equally the same if the character was Karl Dune and he was a meat-head of limited acting ability, little charisma, no real screen presence and no script behind him.

I mean, most of those "strong man" cliches work for exactly those reasons, because there is some degree of talent, limited as it can often be, charisma, or script behind them, sometimes a combination of all those factors.

A great example is Dave Bautista as Drax in Guardians of the Galaxy. He is that "strong man" cliche, but he's got an incredible script behind him that gel exceptionally well with his acting ability/methods to bring the character to life.

Don't get me wrong, I actually kinda like Gina Carano, but let's not pretend the character is anything other than a wafer thin, poorly acted inclusion that's based on "we need an ass-kicking character" without having bothered to give the role any depth.

Possibly I have it all wrong and the thought of a woman in a strong role "scares and angers" him.

CramCycle · 15-02-2021 12:45pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I can't see Baby Yoda not being in season 3 for the simple reason the merch sales must be in the tens if not hundreds of millions there is no way they don't use Baby Yoda in season 3

Relikk wrote: »

Therein lies the problem with The Mandalorian as the title character has been completely overshadowed by Grogu, and if they had plans to write him out of a season I'm sure that's thrown out of the window now. The internet and social media being what it is, will be full of questions and toxic criticism about where Grogu is and why he's not in it. They're not going to risk that, and the potential monetary gains you mentioned.

I hope not, it wouldn't make any sense, maybe a throwaway mention or even a one off special to see what happened with him and Luke but unless there is a scripted reason for it, I presume he won't be back. I hope they are smart enough to realise that if they bring him back ham fisted it would do more damage than a small amount of internet whingers whining.

pixelburp · 15-02-2021 12:59pm

CramCycle wrote: »

I hope not, it wouldn't make any sense, maybe a throwaway mention or even a one off special to see what happened with him and Luke but unless there is a scripted reason for it, I presume he won't be back. I hope they are smart enough to realise that if they bring him back ham fisted it would do more damage than a small amount of internet whingers whining.

This show's scripts aren't its strongest aspect, with a fondness for Fetch Quests in its plotting, or convenient Nick of Time saves in the final acts. The latter I find more tedious as it's a lazy way to get your heroes out of a spot of bother - the finale being the biggest example of that. To that end, I reckon that's how we'll see Grogu return; Mando looks outgunned an in trouble, only to be saved by Grogu's inevitable cameo.

Foxtrol · 15-02-2021 3:45pm

Homelander wrote: »

I really am not getting the logic here.

Unless I am reading it wrong, his issue with that the character exists solely as a weak cliche, with no depth, no nuance, no charisma, no great acting skills behind the character.

A role and character that just exists because it ticks a box, and it would be equally the same if the character was Karl Dune and he was a meat-head of limited acting ability, little charisma, no real screen presence and no script behind him.

I mean, most of those "strong man" cliches work for exactly those reasons, because there is some degree of talent, limited as it can often be, charisma, or script behind them, sometimes a combination of all those factors.

A great example is Dave Bautista as Drax in Guardians of the Galaxy. He is that "strong man" cliche, but he's got an incredible script behind him that gel exceptionally well with his acting ability/methods to bring the character to life.

Don't get me wrong, I actually kinda like Gina Carano, but let's not pretend the character is anything other than a wafer thin, poorly acted inclusion that's based on "we need an ass-kicking character" without having bothered to give the role any depth.

Possibly I have it all wrong and the thought of a woman in a strong role "scares and angers" him.

I'd have no problem if they were just attacking a poorly acted basic 'strong character' - I'd actually fully agree.

Your analysis however ignores when the other poster also went down this usual toxic tinfoil hat nonsense that seems to appear online practically every time a character that isn't a white male isn't beloved:

Tony EH wrote: »

the show could have some female knock the crap out of blokes each week, because that's somehow "equality" or something.

I don't know how anyone can read that and not see an underlying issue there, especially when the poster has been given multiple opportunities to explain it and keeps ignoring it and pivoting to the argument you're making.

The only two explanations I can think of is that they either know what they said was wrong and won't put their hands up or they don't see an issue with dragging gender into a discussion for no reason and using it to beat some 'equality' conspiracy theory.

Foxtrol · 15-02-2021 4:15pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I can't see Baby Yoda not being in season 3 for the simple reason the merch sales must be in the tens if not hundreds of millions there is no way they don't use Baby Yoda in season 3

This might be the case but I don't think this argument is nearly as strong as it was pre-Mandalorian.

Remember this is the same company that forfeited hundreds of millions of dollars in sales from this show by not having Baby Yoda merchandise in the stores the day after the 1st episode it was in aired. It was months before any official merchandise hit the stores - all because they didn't want to spoil the reveal.

I'd guess that is a much much larger potential hit to profits than the likely relatively small incremental additional sales that would be driven solely from Baby Yoda appearing season 3.

Parsnips · 15-02-2021 6:05pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

This might be the case but I don't think this argument is nearly as strong as it was pre-Mandalorian.

Remember this is the same company that forfeited hundreds of millions of dollars in sales from this show by not having Baby Yoda merchandise in the stores the day after the 1st episode it was in aired. It was months before any official merchandise hit the stores - all because they didn't want to spoil the reveal.

I'd guess that is a much much larger potential hit to profits than the likely relatively small incremental additional sales that would be driven solely from Baby Yoda appearing season 3.

Im sure they taught. " ah yeah., he is cute we will sell plenty of Baby Yoda merch" but I doubt they taught it was gonna be the stratospheric demand.
At the time they were still worried if the TV series would go well or not"

Need a Username · 15-02-2021 6:25pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I can't see Baby Yoda not being in season 3 for the simple reason the merch sales must be in the tens if not hundreds of millions there is no way they don't use Baby Yoda in season 3

Grogu is out of Mando’s life for years - or at least a few seasons.

The merchandise can still continue but that has a limited life span anyway - though I suspect Grogu has more shelf life than porgs and BB-8.

Maybe Grogu will get a series of live action action shorts?

Foxtrol · 15-02-2021 7:31pm

Parsnips wrote: »

Im sure they taught. " ah yeah., he is cute we will sell plenty of Baby Yoda merch" but I doubt they taught it was gonna be the stratospheric demand.
At the time they were still worried if the TV series would go well or not"

If the show didn't do well then they'd have lost basically all merchandising possibilities for Grogu - you're not selling much merchandise several months later for a side character in a show that is widely hates. They also didn't use him in the advertising which would have definitely interested a lot of people in advance.

Even if we disagree on the merchandising value they put on risk, I don't think it can be disputed that Disney took the decision to put the reveal of the show above the merchandising dollars. I don't see why that can't be the case again when Grogu is pretty much holding back the show going anywhere new - especially as I'm pretty doubtful on his merchandising value changing much if he didn't appear in the 3rd season.

OptimusTractor · 15-02-2021 7:56pm

Hopefully some of the money is invested in improving the Dark Stormtroopers.

Tony EH · 15-02-2021 8:08pm

Need a Username wrote: »

You seem to be a very angry person.

Which means you seems to have not understood some of the lessons that the Star Wars story teaches.

It has nothing to do with "anger", or "projection", or being "scared" of casting women in a particular role. It's the inane limitation of a trope character that I am discussing, because that is what Cara Dune was. There was nothing to her but "strong bird that beats people up". She had no actual character and no attempt at writing anything beyond the most dull minded and simplistic rendition of "strong female character". A term I didn't make up BTW, and one who's demerits have been discussed within film criticism many times before.

I happen to respond better to well written characters in movies and TV shows, irrespective of their sex, and while 'The Mandalorian' or Star Wars certainly isn't the place to regularly find such things, the character of Cara Dune still sticks out like a sore thumb. Although, to be fair, she isn't a 5ft nothing, 60lb, girl that's beating everyone up around her.

If I appeared irked, it's because the discussion points are being ignored in favour of hurling cheap and lazy accusations.

Tony EH · 15-02-2021 8:24pm

Homelander wrote: »

I really am not getting the logic here.

Unless I am reading it wrong, his issue with that the character exists solely as a weak cliche, with no depth, no nuance, no charisma, no great acting skills behind the character.

A role and character that just exists because it ticks a box, and it would be equally the same if the character was Karl Dune and he was a meat-head of limited acting ability, little charisma, no real screen presence and no script behind him.

I mean, most of those "strong man" cliches work for exactly those reasons, because there is some degree of talent, limited as it can often be, charisma, or script behind them, sometimes a combination of all those factors.

A great example is Dave Bautista as Drax in Guardians of the Galaxy. He is that "strong man" cliche, but he's got an incredible script behind him that gel exceptionally well with his acting ability/methods to bring the character to life.

Don't get me wrong, I actually kinda like Gina Carano, but let's not pretend the character is anything other than a wafer thin, poorly acted inclusion that's based on "we need an ass-kicking character" without having bothered to give the role any depth.

Possibly I have it all wrong and the thought of a woman in a strong role "scares and angers" him.

No, you've roughly grasped what I am on about.

As for women in "strong" roles, what annoys me (albeit mildly) about that current application of that, is that it's often just reduced down to its most dull and mind numbing level. I.E. "strong" just means knocking the shit out of people, mostly blokes, that are twice their size.

A "Strong" character should mean a strongly written character. Not just someone that can go toe to toe with men in a physical fight.

For instance, Carol in 'The Walking Dead' is a strong female character in its best sense. The course of the show has seen her evolve and become someone that has learnt to deal with her predicament and environment. It has also left her very damaged, too, and she's not just a "beat everyone in the room" girl power trope.

In addition, the best character in 'Game of Thrones' was Aria Stark, another strongly written female character, who's story was probably the most interesting to follow in the entire series.

Now, arguably, Cara Dune never had enough in her to develop with the nuance that Carol Peltier or Aria Stark did. She was limited in her appearances, and I'd also argue that the writers never intended her to be much more than what she was. Plus, Carano's acting ability simply wouldn't have enabled a situation whereby such growth would advance in any case.

Tony EH · 15-02-2021 8:30pm

Relikk wrote: »

Therein lies the problem with The Mandalorian as the title character has been completely overshadowed by Grogu, and if they had plans to write him out of a season I'm sure that's thrown out of the window now. The internet and social media being what it is, will be full of questions and toxic criticism about where Grogu is and why he's not in it. They're not going to risk that, and the potential monetary gains you mentioned.

I think there was always going to be a point where Grogu (I still can't get used to that name) was going to be handed off. While he was the central quest for the main character, he was also a burden to the character as well, and needed to be put aside on too many occasions. The Mando, too often, needed a babysitter while he zipped off on someone's side quest promise.

The dilemma for the series' producers now is dealing with the inevitable loss of viewers that will result from that. Already my wife and her friends have lost interest because "Baby Yoda" is now gone. He was a big draw for some people. A lot of whom never gave a toss about Star Wars before. :pac:

Tony EH · 15-02-2021 8:32pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

I don't know how anyone can read that and not see an underlying issue there

Again with the cheap accusations.

Need a Username · 15-02-2021 8:39pm

Tony EH wrote: »

It has nothing to do with "anger", or "projection", or being "scared" of casting women in a particular role. It's the inane limitation of a trope character that I am discussing, because that is what Cara Dune was. There was nothing to her but "strong bird that beats people up". She had no actual character and no attempt at writing anything beyond the most dull minded and simplistic rendition of "strong female character". A term I didn't make up BTW, and one who's demerits have been discussed within film criticism many times before.

I happen to respond better to well written characters in movies and TV shows, irrespective of their sex, and while 'The Mandalorian' or Star Wars certainly isn't the place to regularly find such things, the character of Cara Dune still sticks out like a sore thumb. Although, to be fair, she isn't a 5ft nothing, 60lb, girl that's beating everyone up around her.

If I appeared irked, it's because the discussion points are being ignored in favour of hurling cheap and lazy accusations.

Your comments are angry and you are ranting about women. So being angry and scared do have something to do with it.

pixelburp · 15-02-2021 8:43pm

Mod: move the conversation on guys. Take it to PM but I think at this stage everyone has said their peace.

Parsnips · 15-02-2021 11:18pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

If the show didn't do well then they'd have lost basically all merchandising possibilities for Grogu - you're not selling much merchandise several months later for a side character in a show that is widely hates. They also didn't use him in the advertising which would have definitely interested a lot of people in advance.

Even if we disagree on the merchandising value they put on risk, I don't think it can be disputed that Disney took the decision to put the reveal of the show above the merchandising dollars. I don't see why that can't be the case again when Grogu is pretty much holding back the show going anywhere new - especially as I'm pretty doubtful on his merchandising value changing much if he didn't appear in the 3rd season.

Maybe Im reading this wrong....Your saying that they should have used Baby Yoda (S1) in advertising to attract more viewers and in so doing.......... actually ruin the reveal. If that is what your saying you are not on the same planet as Me or millions of other SW lovers. WOW WOW WOW
Also how is Grogu (S2) holding back the show. Did you miss the pay off at the end there in season 2.
Im absolutley baffled mate.

robinph · 16-02-2021 12:27am

If they had revealed baby yoda beforehand then nobody would have been interested in Mando and wouldn't have bought into his character. It was the following him through the first episode quest and then the WTF moment at the end which sold both baby yoda and Mando as characters.

Need a Username · 16-02-2021 8:25am

Some people want more spoilers in trailers?

I didn’t start watching Mandolorian until a few weeks after its launch in Ireland and somehow I managed to avoid these spoilers that others think are necessary. I had seen mention of Baby Yoda and some imagery (of merchandise I think, nothing from the show itself) and thought it was actually a Yoda merchandise line.

I also saw no spoilers for the appearance of Luke even though I was weeks behind everyone else.

I consider not knowing about both of these a good thing. Don’t understand why people would think it is a bad thing.

CramCycle · 16-02-2021 8:34am

Need a Username wrote: »

Some people want more spoilers in trailers?

There is an oddly large number of people who love to know what's going to happen before it does. Don't get me wrong, I love hypothesizing and being wrong or right but I have friends who will knowingly read spoilers online, who don't mind (and Sky are the worst for this) trailers that show you big plot points or twists. Hell, all the kids in my sons ager brackets watch s most video games they play through on youtube before they play it. It's bizarre. I usually turn off american TV shows now when the credits hit as so many of them have that "next week on"....

This said, I had seen baby yoda before I watched The Mandolorian, but didn't pay attention so thankfully didn't spoil anything.

Foxtrol · 16-02-2021 4:10pm

Parsnips wrote: »

Maybe Im reading this wrong....Your saying that they should have used Baby Yoda (S1) in advertising to attract more viewers and in so doing.......... actually ruin the reveal. If that is what your saying you are not on the same planet as Me or millions of other SW lovers. WOW WOW WOW

No, I'm not promoting that approach at all. My points were to counter previous poster's claims about Disney. It is not what I wanted Disney to do but what Disney would have have done if their claims were accurate.

The first claim was that merchandise sales always drive Disney's creative decisions - where I pointed out how Disney likely gave up hundreds of millions of dollars in those sales to avoid spoiling the Grogu reveal.

The second claim was that Disney was worried about the success of the show in the run up to it - where I pointed to the fact they would have been more aggressive with advertising if they were concerned people weren't going to watch. Their approach to advertising showed they were completely confident in what they had and how successful it would be.

Also how is Grogu (S2) holding back the show. Did you miss the pay off at the end there in season 2.
Im absolutley baffled mate.

I'm on the record here of saying how much I enjoyed the payoff at the end of season 2. Having said that, if Grogu arrives back in episode 1 of season 3 I don't know how you can say it wouldn't hold the show back. Every episode has to focus around him caring for and protecting Grogu or else finding the right babysitter for him before Mando can do other things. That isn't a negative for the show so far but with Grogu there I don't see how it can move forward. I'm very much open to hearing how you believe this could be gotten around.

Foxtrol · 16-02-2021 4:19pm

robinph wrote: »

If they had revealed baby yoda beforehand then nobody would have been interested in Mando and wouldn't have bought into his character. It was the following him through the first episode quest and then the WTF moment at the end which sold both baby yoda and Mando as characters.

Agreed, that was my original point. Disney put the story above potential merchandise sales so it is wrong to claim the opposite will be the main driver for their decisions for season 3.

Need a Username wrote: »

Some people want more spoilers in trailers?

Who is saying this? If this is targeted at me, I don't watch anything aside from the first trailer for a new show or movie so I'm not spoiled.

Need a Username · 16-02-2021 9:41pm

CramCycle wrote: »

There is an oddly large number of people who love to know what's going to happen before it does. Don't get me wrong, I love hypothesizing and being wrong or right but I have friends who will knowingly read spoilers online, who don't mind (and Sky are the worst for this) trailers that show you big plot points or twists. Hell, all the kids in my sons ager brackets watch s most video games they play through on youtube before they play it. It's bizarre. I usually turn off american TV shows now when the credits hit as so many of them have that "next week on"....

This said, I had seen baby yoda before I watched The Mandolorian, but didn't pay attention so thankfully didn't spoil anything.

I had forgot this until reading your post - I have a brother in law reads everything about a movie’s story before watching.

At first I thought it was that he was just checking for profanity, sex, and whatever offends his Christian beliefs but it turns out that it was mainly to know everything that happens first. I have asked why but the response was beyond me.

I was weeks behind in season 2 and don’t know how I got to the finale without a spoiler.

At least half the deaths in Walking Dead have been by reading unrelated articles online. The who dies, not the circumstances so that is something

Agent Coulson · 16-02-2021 10:28pm

Hasbro has also stopped making Cara Dune action figures that were in the works.

Agent Coulson · 16-02-2021 10:36pm

Looks like the sacking was coming for a long time.

Carano say she was banned from doing press for season 2 due to her social media out put.

Still really bad form from Lucasfilm not to tell her face to face that she was fired if of course she is being honest about only finding out on social media.

Gina Carano Learned About ‘Mandalorian’ Firing On Social

Gina Carano, who Lucasfilm deemed “was no longer an employee”, following The Mandalorian actress’ controversial social media posts, comparing being conservative in America to the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany, exclaimed in a recent interview with journalist Bari Weiss, that she learned of her firing from the hit Disney+ series “through social media, like everyone else.”

Carano also told the former New York Times and Wall Street Journal alum, that Disney barred the Cara Dune actress from doing any season 2 press following her social media mockery of pronoun usage at a time when many are respecting inclusivity and non-binary identities.

“Earlier on last year before The Mandalorian came out, they wanted me to use their exact wording for an apology over pronoun usage. I declined and offered a statement in my own words. I made clear I wanted nothing to do with mocking the transgender community, and was just drawing attention to the abuse of the mob in forcing people to put pronouns in their bio,” Carano said in a recent interview.......

https://deadline.com/2021/02/gina-carano-the-mandalorian-firing-actress-responds-social-media-1234694755/

Tony EH · 16-02-2021 10:45pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Hasbro has also stopped making Cara Dune action figures that were in the works.

That might have something to do with image rights issues.

Foxtrol · 16-02-2021 11:00pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Still really bad form from Lucasfilm not to tell her face to face that she was fired if of course she is being honest about only finding out on social media.

She wasn't fired though, she wasn't a permanent character and they decided they had no plans to take her back. They probably wanted to give her some wiggle room to either change her ways or dig herself into a deeper hole.

Given how she has tried to turn herself into a martyr, she has proved the Disney approach to be right.

Tony EH wrote: »

That might have something to do with image rights issues.

Very much doubt this, there is absolutely no way actors gain their image rights as the character after their Star Wars contract ends.

Need a Username · 16-02-2021 11:10pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

No, I'm not promoting that approach at all. My points were to counter previous poster's claims about Disney. It is not what I wanted Disney to do but what Disney would have have done if their claims were accurate.

The first claim was that merchandise sales always drive Disney's creative decisions - where I pointed out how Disney likely gave up hundreds of millions of dollars in those sales to avoid spoiling the Grogu reveal.

The second claim was that Disney was worried about the success of the show in the run up to it - where I pointed to the fact they would have been more aggressive with advertising if they were concerned people weren't going to watch. Their approach to advertising showed they were completely confident in what they had and how successful it would be.

I'm on the record here of saying how much I enjoyed the payoff at the end of season 2. Having said that, if Grogu arrives back in episode 1 of season 3 I don't know how you can say it wouldn't hold the show back. Every episode has to focus around him caring for and protecting Grogu or else finding the right babysitter for him before Mando can do other things. That isn't a negative for the show so far but with Grogu there I don't see how it can move forward. I'm very much open to hearing how you believe this could be gotten around.

I love Grogu but there was always going to be a point at he had to leave for Jedi training and Mando was going to have a new quest. I knew he would go to Luke’s school but I had thought they’d use a new Jedi character who was training with Luke because I thought they couldn’t do a good enough mo-cap scene. The VFX was far from perfect but the scene it itself was so much more than VFX.

And the search for Jedi couldn’t last multiple seasons without avoiding Luke existence

Need a Username · 16-02-2021 11:12pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Agreed, that was my original point. Disney put the story above potential merchandise sales so it is wrong to claim the opposite will be the main driver for their decisions for season 3.

Who is saying this? If this is targeted at me, I don't watch anything aside from the first trailer for a new show or movie so I'm not spoiled.

If it isn’t what you said then it obviously isn’t “targeted” at you.

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