Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

growleaves · 14-02-2021 05:14PM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

I thought I heard it was turning from people here on boards? What happened?

Maybe the anecdotes from this place isn't reflective of public opinion after all.

Its incredibly vague. Does "Restrictions" means the current Level 5 or ALL restrictions ever?

growleaves · 14-02-2021 05:17PM

Ironic that this poll comes from the Mail Group since there are lockdowners who will not accept anything that comes from the Daily Mail or related papers as valid - except, presumably, this poll.

fin12 · 14-02-2021 05:52PM

phormium wrote: »

Who on earth are these people they are asking? How do they find them, is this poll on street or phone polls or what?

The whole media in this country is run by the government.they are not asking anyone, they are told what these surveys should say. Why would anyone believe a word that is printed in the media in this country. We are essentially another North Korea.

Graham · 14-02-2021 05:55PM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

I thought I heard it was turning from people here on boards? What happened?

They were wrong.

hynesie08 · 14-02-2021 05:56PM

fin12 wrote: »

The whole media in this country is run by the government.they are not asking anyone, they are told what these surveys should say. Why would anyone believe a word that is printed in the media in this country. We are essentially another North Korea.

Oh lord, turn off the computer and go for a walk......

14-02-2021 06:12PM

fin12 wrote: »

The whole media in this country is run by the government.they are not asking anyone, they are told what these surveys should say.

Maybe they're sucking up for next seat on the gravy train. After all, Minister For Health, Stephen Donnelly, did hire two journalists as his "special advisers".

So, apart from the fact that's there's now at least three people unqualified in that department, I wonder why most other journalists didn't highlight these strange appointments.

Graham · 14-02-2021 06:13PM

titan18 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40226633.html

Important part

On when restrictions should be lifted, 59% of people said that the Government should wait until daily Covid-19 cases drop to below 20 per day

I would have thought this were the most significant part:

Just 5% of people think the economy should reopen now.

fin12 · 14-02-2021 06:17PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Oh lord, turn off the computer and go for a walk......

I’d love to but Ive a Skype / zoom call soon so can’t go anywhere.

growleaves · 14-02-2021 06:17PM

Just 5% of people think the economy should reopen now.

What does 'reopen the economy' mean though? Does it mean going beyond Level 1 to old normal? Or it does it mean going to Level 3?

FintanMcluskey · 14-02-2021 06:20PM

Graham wrote: »

I would have thought this were the most significant part:

Context is important

Is that every single part of the economy reopened with no mitigation?

That would mean 250,000 people want measures removed completely

I wonder what percentage of people don’t believe stay at home orders and business closures are cost effective?

Those polls are an attack on democracy in a way, it’s implying 95% of the population is in support of stay at home orders and business closures so anyone who doesn’t think so is in the minority.

SheepsClothing · 14-02-2021 06:30PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Context is important

Is that every single part of the economy reopened with no mitigation?

That would mean 250,000 people want measures removed completely

I wonder what percentage of people don’t believe stay at home orders and business closures are cost effective?

Those polls are an attack on democracy in a way, it’s implying 95% of the population is in support of stay at home orders and business closures so anyone who doesn’t think so is in the minority.

They're numbers on a page, not an "attack on democracy" you absolute drama queen.

It does imply you are in the minority though.

Penfailed · 14-02-2021 06:35PM

fin12 wrote: »

We are essentially another North Korea.

Jesus...

Graham · 14-02-2021 06:37PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Those polls are an attack on democracy in a way

lol, are you for real.

Asking someone their opinion is an attack on democracy?

votecounts · 14-02-2021 06:42PM

Anyone comparing Ireland to North Korea needs to have a good look in the mirror. I would say go there and find out but you'd most likely be shot there for speaking out. Some over reactions here.

fin12 · 14-02-2021 06:43PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Jesus...

Yes pray for Jesus, we need all the help we can get.

FintanMcluskey · 14-02-2021 06:43PM

Graham wrote: »

lol, are you for real.

Asking someone their opinion is an attack on democracy?

I may not have been clear I didn’t mean polls themselves but the way the data is communicated is not transparent

You used that poll to suggest only 5% of people disagreed with restrictions.

Penfailed · 14-02-2021 06:45PM

fin12 wrote: »

Yes pray for Jesus, we need all the help we can get.

No. We don't. We're not like North Korea.

fin12 · 14-02-2021 06:48PM

votecounts wrote: »

Anyone comparing Ireland to North Korea needs to have a good look in the mirror. I would say go there and find out but you'd most like shot there for speaking out Some over reactions here.

First of all you wouldn’t even get into North Korea. Ya u don’t get shot here but there’s no such thing as free speech here anymore.

PTH2009 · 14-02-2021 06:57PM

Wasn't last years Pancake Tuesday in lockdown ?

Even more depressing thinking about it

14-02-2021 07:03PM

Graham wrote: »

I would have thought this were the most significant part:

Eh. I was in a tiny minority and waiting for people to catch up in January of 2020 when I was warning friends and family of an oncoming pandemic, buying in supplies and getting funny looks for wearing a mask in the shops.

I'm fine now with being in a small minority who thinks that as the broader picture is becoming more clear and the cost-benefit balance of the measures becomes increasingly negative, lockdowns as the sole measure of tackling Covid-19 is a very bad no good plan.

Never did base my opinions on tabloid polls. Your mileage may vary.

Graham · 14-02-2021 07:03PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You used that poll to suggest only 5% of people disagreed with restrictions.

You have some imagination.

I literally did a copy & paste from the article without interpretation.

14-02-2021 07:04PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Wasn't last years Pancake Tuesday in lockdown ?

Even more depressing thinking about it

Was in and around Paddy’s day, I think. Still nearly a year though.Our lives have changed so much since then, and now we live in abnormal times!

Graham · 14-02-2021 07:05PM

fin12 wrote: »

there’s no such thing as free speech here anymore.

because............

14-02-2021 07:11PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

anyone who doesn’t think so is in the minority.

In fairness, this is probably true. The full extent of information that the vast majority of people have about the pandemic and all related issues comes from TV news and physical/digital newspapers, who have fully bought into a doom and gloom narrative and lockdowns, and have given barely any attention to all the negatives of lockdown, the other mitigation strategies the government has failed to implement, and so on.

I don't watch television, and I was just utterly horrified by what I saw when we spent Christmas with family members who do. News always on in the background, a big, red, pulsing coronavirus in the background on a black background, death and infection tickers. It was like something out of a post-apocalyptic movie, and not what any right-minded person would expect for a virus that seems to have an infection fatality rate currently estimated by Imperial College London to be between 0.26% and 1.71%.

Most people have neither the time nor the inclination to go digging through primary sources and obscure research papers. This is precisely why it is so dangerous when the mainstream media organ starts playing in concert with the government and failing to question their motives and policies.

fin12 · 14-02-2021 07:11PM

Graham wrote: »

because............

I already explained that. Media run by the government . Censorship is alive and well in this country.

Fair play to Uk , looking to scrap all restrictions by May thanks to the great work they have done with their vaccination program.

votecounts · 14-02-2021 07:14PM

gansi wrote: »

Was in and around Paddy’s day, I think. Still nearly a year though.Our lives have changed so much since then, and now we live in abnormal times!

lockdown for most things started 16th march, remember leos speech from washington

hynesie08 · 14-02-2021 07:20PM

fin12 wrote: »

First of all you wouldn’t even get into North Korea. Ya u don’t get shot here but there’s no such thing as free speech here anymore.

Explain how there's no such thing as free speech when half the hilarious posters insist on referring to the Taoiseach and tanaiste as mehole and Leo the leak? Are they being abducted in the night by the stasi?

the kelt · 14-02-2021 07:20PM

I was laughing today at a Twitter poster who’s constantly pro lockdown, pro government, ye know the type ,we are all in this together whilst blasting fellow citizens left right and centre cos they strayed outside their 5 k, blah blah blah

The constant line has been look at the uk, look at how bad things are and could be, look at the uk, look at the uk.

Someone hit him with the tweet doing the rounds showing the level of vaccinations in the uk versus Ireland and.........

Yep you guessed it, we shouldn’t be comparing ourselves to the uk, we should be looking to Europe, comparisons to the the uk shouldn’t be used.

Honestly ye couldn’t make up this **** that people are revelling in!

TheDoctor · 14-02-2021 07:21PM

It will be exciting when we can soon compare cases and deaths same date year on year

Sanjuro · 14-02-2021 07:23PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Wasn't last years Pancake Tuesday in lockdown ?

Even more depressing thinking about it

No, it wasnt. Only reason I'm sure is my 6 year old informed me that we didn't have pancakes until after school last year.

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