Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

Duckjob · 11-02-2021 01:02PM

Pat getting in his petty little digs at cyclists even though its nothing to do with the topic.

Scooter guy talked very well. Sounds like some interesting tech available in their system -

- testing rider reactions at times when drunk riding could be a problem and blocking vehicle use if necessary.
- Restricting speed automatically in areas where mixing with pedestrians etc.
- Blocking vehicle use completely from areas where its use is unsuitable for the environment

Wonder what are the chances of the motoring community accepting some of that tech into cars :P

Eamonnator · 11-02-2021 08:57PM

Cyclist robs 50,000 euro in Crumlin Post Office raid.

https://www.independent.ie/news/man-in-an-post-uniform-takes-part-in-robbery-of-50000-40081358.html

Okay. I'll get my coat.

breezy1985 · 12-02-2021 01:08AM

Irish Times online had an article about the Vuelta route on the main sports page without having to root through the "other sport" section for ages. That is surely a win by Irish media standards

Tombo2001 · 12-02-2021 08:52AM

Eamonnator wrote: »

Cyclist robs 50,000 euro in Crumlin Post Office raid.

https://www.independent.ie/news/man-in-an-post-uniform-takes-part-in-robbery-of-50000-40081358.html

Okay. I'll get my coat.

In addition, Gardaí are appealing to any road users - including motorists, cyclists and pedestrians who were in the area at this time - who may have camera footage (including dash cam) to make this available.

Glad to see its useful for something......

Less interested when its a dangerous overtake.

fat bloke · 12-02-2021 09:41AM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/fernando-alonso-conscious-and-well-in-himself-after-cycling-accident-1079928.html

This must be the ultimate "one of them becomes one of us" crossover story. He's not a cyclist. He's definitely a driver. In fact he's one of the world's best drivers. So what's the blame game when a driver on a bicycle is involved in a collision with a car?

(Best of luck to him either way, of course. Get well soon Alonso. I'd love to know what kind of bike he was riding.)

buffalo · 12-02-2021 09:52AM

fat bloke wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/fernando-alonso-conscious-and-well-in-himself-after-cycling-accident-1079928.html

This must be the ultimate "one of them becomes one of us" crossover story. He's not a cyclist. He's definitely a driver. In fact he's one of the world's best drivers. So what's the blame game when a driver on a bicycle is involved in a collision with a car?

(Best of luck to him either way, of course. Get well soon Alonso. I'd love to know what kind of bike he was riding.)

"Driver on bike collides with car"

breezy1985 · 12-02-2021 11:09AM

buffalo wrote: »

"Driver on bike collides with car"

It doesnt give the nature of the accident. Not sure if a car was involved

fat bloke · 12-02-2021 11:20AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

It doesnt give the nature of the accident. Not sure if a car was involved

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fernando-alonso-injured-hit-car/5382674/amp/

Differing reports and scant detail but there was a car (and presumably someone driving it) involved alright.

Seth Brundle · 12-02-2021 11:45AM

Car involved indeed and he allegedly has a jaw fracture...
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/56034657

dinneenp · 12-02-2021 02:29PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Car involved indeed and he allegedly has a jaw fracture...
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/56034657

"Sources close to Alonso say he was hit by a car"
They'll have to update that to 'his bike and a car collided." God forbid, that a car hitting a cyclist gets spun like it was the drivers fault!

eeeee · 12-02-2021 06:45PM

Interview with Eddie Dunbar:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/othersport/arid-40225838.html

Seth Brundle · 12-02-2021 07:42PM

Handbrake gaffe sees runaway car hit truck as driver scraps with cyclist in calamitous Phoenix Park road-rage row

magicbastarder · 12-02-2021 08:02PM

" then all of a sudden, the cyclist picked up his bike and smashed its front wheel into the side of the other lad’s car."
y'wha?

mvt · 12-02-2021 08:28PM

Typical- a weeks holidays of which the daily highlight has been loops of the park at roughly that time & I managed to miss this.
I will say if I had a euro for every vehicle which speed straight through that stop sign I could have gone abroad & paid the fine.
Always had it in my head that commercial traffic was restricted to the Chesterfield Avenue entrances.

Hurrache · 13-02-2021 01:01AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Handbrake gaffe sees runaway car hit truck as driver scraps with cyclist in calamitous Phoenix Park road-rage row

The whole story sounds completely concocted, it's a bit verbose to come across otherwise.

And unless the delivery drivers were delivering to somewhere in the park in their "truck", they shouldn't have been in there anyway.

zell12 · 13-02-2021 07:46AM

Examiner letters

fat bloke · 13-02-2021 07:50AM

What? You need a visa now to go for a cycle?

Is this a Brexit thing?!

MojoMaker · 13-02-2021 11:40AM

What I can't understand with all these brilliant ideas is why there is so much desire among the general population for cyclists to wear a helmet?

I *sort of* understand why a driver might (in error) believe that hi-viz clothing makes a cyclist more visible and marginally less likely to be involved in an accident with a driver. That message has been shoved down motorists' throats for a long time now.

But I can't for the life of me understand why the common man or woman who doesn't cycle and frankly dislikes cyclists as a group, is so het up on cyclists wearing helmets.

I really don't get it. Is it (a) mantra repeated parrot-like from the RSA, (b) a motoring ploy to make cycling less convenient, and hence less likely, (c) a genuine concern for us as a cohort, (d) a convenient stick with which to beat us in the future in the absence of said article - "sure it can't be my fault, the gimp wasn't even wearing a helmet ffs".

A selection of all four? (leaving out the 3rd option of course).

Duckjob · 13-02-2021 11:55AM

MojoMaker wrote: »

What I can't understand with all these brilliant ideas is why there is so much desire among the general population for cyclists to wear a helmet?

I *sort of* understand why a driver might (in error) believe that hi-viz clothing makes a cyclist more visible and marginally less likely to be involved in an accident with a driver. That message has been shoved down motorists' throats for a long time now.

But I can't for the life of me understand why the common man or woman who doesn't cycle and frankly dislikes cyclists as a group, is so het up on cyclists wearing helmets.

I really don't get it. Is it (a) mantra repeated parrot-like from the RSA, (b) a motoring ploy to make cycling less convenient, and hence less likely, (c) a genuine concern for us as a cohort, (d) a convenient stick with which to beat us in the future in the absence of said article - "sure it can't be my fault, the gimp wasn't even wearing a helmet ffs".

A selection of all four? (leaving out the 3rd option of course).

I'd say its a combination of b) For some at least, they know mandatory helmets means less cyclists out on "their" roads.

and also (and I would consider this the main one) :

d) Victim Blaming: The question of cycists wearing a helmet allows them to push responsibilities of road safety away from themselves and onto others. The last thing many of these people want is a spotlight shone in on top of their own sh*tty driving.

magicbastarder · 13-02-2021 12:09PM

'i want you to take steps to absolve me of the damage i might do if i crash into you'?

Seth Brundle · 13-02-2021 12:30PM

The legal system is also set up to assume that an un-helmeted cyclist is partly responsible for any head injuries incurred when a driver hits them

MojoMaker · 13-02-2021 12:47PM

So you're saying it's just an ingrained unconscious bias?

magicbastarder · 13-02-2021 01:02PM

there's a thread elsewhere (which i'm not going to link to) about a woman who got a multimillion euro payout after being struck by a car on the swords bypass. whatever the actual ins and outs of the case, it's notable to see how many people take the attitude of 'you're a pedestrian on a dual carriageway so all bets are off, the outcome is purely your fault'; as if 'the pedestrian was in the wrong place' is completely synonymous with 'this completely absolves the driver'.

AndrewJRenko · 13-02-2021 01:25PM

More safety theatre;

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1360564609892163588

breezy1985 · 13-02-2021 01:30PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

More safety theatre;

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1360564609892163588

I don't know about here but in London now groups of school kids have to wear hi-vis any time the teachers take them out for a walk

magicbastarder · 13-02-2021 01:36PM

i think that's as much about child herding as it is about road safety.

CramCycle · 13-02-2021 01:42PM

My daughter's school got them all to wear neon pink baseball caps and possibly pink bum bags a few years ago as so many schools had hi Vis teachers couldn't pick them out.

Stark · 13-02-2021 02:14PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

More safety theatre;

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1360564609892163588

Tweet deleted.

AndrewJRenko · 13-02-2021 03:48PM

Stark wrote: »

Tweet deleted.

Maybe they didn't get permission from some of the parents beforehand?

Seth Brundle · 13-02-2021 05:03PM

It looks like Alonso incident involved him getting a right hook from a car turning into a supermarket car park.
I'm puzzled at how the Swiss police describe the incident. It's like they don't realise he was cycling - no mention of a helmet or high-viz. Not just that, they don't seem to blame the cyclist (see the response from formula1.com in the second tweet below)...

https://twitter.com/dublincycling/status/1360326753747668996?s=19

Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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