Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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The Clinical Director of the Mobile Intensive Care Ambulance Service said that 40 critically ill patients have been moved between hospitals this month so far, including 17 this week.


They were moved to another hospital. Not exactly the same as being told there's no room at the inn and being sent home to die, is it?

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Why do you think people accepted the increased restrictions after Christmas, as highlighted by public opinion polling?

Do you think it is perhaps because people thought they were necessary? I wonder why that would be? Can you explain it to us?

8k cases a day, simple as. At 100/200 cases a day I wont be accepting the increased restrictions.

BTownB wrote: »

The government haven't a plan. They are just following NPHET now. Unelected medical experts with no experience regarding economy, human behaviour, social policy, etc.

We need some behavioural economists to the forefront now. Saying another 15 weeks of restrictions with no goals, no aims... that's not how human beings motivate themselves.

There’s going to be some sort of restrictions for at least 15 weeks that’s obvious, the question is for how long can the current regime be sustained.

I sense social unrest of nothing gives after Easter

BTownB wrote: »

The government haven't a plan. They are just following NPHET now. Unelected medical experts with no experience regarding economy, human behaviour, social policy, etc.

We need some behavioural economists to the forefront now. Saying another 15 weeks of restrictions with no goals, no aims... that's not how human beings motivate themselves.

You'd be okay if they were elected medical experts?

NPHET have a whole team of Behavioral Scientists at their disposal.

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/were-a-good-six-weeks-away-from-100-covid-cases-a-day-professor-philip-nolan-40082951.html

10 weeks away from 100 Covid cases a day. Another 4 weeks on top of that to maintain cases below 100. You're talking the middle of June at the earliest for some restrictions easing and even then it's "ifs and maybes" and if cases do shoot up after a week of eased restrictions were back to lockdown again? What are we doing here?

It's a complete joke now. No balance whatsoever. As we get closer to April you can bet your arse cases won't be under 100 every day and that will give the government the ammunition to extend it right out to June, which is I expect, what they want. Where is the balance? Where is the evidence that barbers & non essential retail following guidelines will massively increase infection rates?

One thing is clear though. As we get into April & May, the UK will be opening up (including Northern Ireland) and that will put pressure on the government. And our EU neighbours will NOT take excessive restrictions lightly so I can see them easing up as we get into Spring & Summer. More pressure on the government. Hopefully public opinion will start to shift here by then. Though I won't hold my breath for an RTE Investigates about the disastrous effects of restrictions.

If this thing is seasonal, which some doctors seem to think, it might drop off naturally well before we ever reach these mid June relaxation of restrictions dates.

Elessar wrote: »

It's a complete joke now. No balance whatsoever. As we get closer to April you can bet your arse cases won't be under 100 every day and that will give the government the ammunition to extend it right out to June, which is I expect, what they want. Where is the balance? Where is the evidence that barbers & non essential retail following guidelines will massively increase infection rates?

One thing is clear though. As we get into April & May, the UK will be opening up (including Northern Ireland) and that will put pressure on the government. And our EU neighbours will NOT take excessive restrictions lightly so I can see them easing up as we get into Spring & Summer. More pressure on the government. Hopefully public opinion will start to shift here by then. Though I won't hold my breath for an RTE Investigates about the disastrous effects of restrictions.

And that's the thing, just a bit of balance would be nice. Like if it works out as that Irish Independent article says, that'll have been basically 7 months of full lockdown. We're not even half way through that yet and you can see it in people, it's taking a toll. At some stage you've gotta meet people half way.

I agree too that the UK will likely open up before us and that'll be hard to take. It's tough enough seeing far away countries like the US, Australia, New Zealand, China having a bit of freedom again but when it's the country next to ours who were the laughing stock of the world less than a year ago opening up before us, that's got to hurt.

Boggles wrote: »

I have no idea what a figure of 94 is, but are any of those countries preparing for their 3rd wave?

But again we talking about the effect of their strategy on society as a whole and their strategy as a whole.

They basically banished their over 70s from society until late October. People bang on about mental health and how the Swedes have aced it is complete nonsense.

I guess their mental and physical health doesn't really matter.

2 things are happening in Sweden at the moment.

People are sick of the voluntary restrictions and are giving up on them - which is natural, whatever restrictions you impose people will grow tired of and if those restrictions are voluntary, so the slack needs to be imposed legally which they have done.

The second thing that is happening is there is a growing movement highlight the failures of the strategy, they are basically fed up of the sickness and death.

That's a very dangerous pair of differing subsets 11 months into the pandemic.

Even if this was not hyperbole, applying the same sensationalist shtick we also effectively banished society as a whole.

It seems your problem is not with banishment, but rather you think that banishment is best served wholesale.

ArthurDayne wrote: »

Even if this was not hyperbole, applying the same sensationalist shtick we also effectively banished society as a whole.

It seems your problem is not with banishment, but rather you think that banishment is best served wholesale.

We told the whole of society to cocoon for 7/8 months?

Hyperbole indeed.

retro:electro wrote: »

I never said anything about letting it rip Boggles. You seem to live in your own fantasy land and infer what you want into the posts of others. A more dishonest poster I’ve never come across. I’d rather not waste my time.

What do you think the virus would do to a population with little immunity if the option of "lockdown" is removed and we all just followed your "plan" today.

What do you think the effects would be on the economy, education, health and society as a whole?

It's a bit rich you calling people dishonest when you are still parroting the herd immunity nonsense of lockup the vulnerable whilst knowing full well there is no practically way of doing that.

Of course when people are called on how we would achieve it, belligerence kicks in and you are met with name calling and phrases like "I’d rather not waste my time". Followed by no one will engage me in reasonable debate and such.

Above all else, it's just boring at this stage.

Boggles wrote: »

But again we talking about the effect of their strategy on society as a whole and their strategy as a whole.

They basically banished their over 70s from society until late October. People bang on about mental health and how the Swedes have aced it is complete nonsense.

I guess their mental and physical health doesn't really matter.

And we have basically banished the WHOLE of society until May - including those of little risk from virus - surely it makes more sense to cocoon those that are at risk and those that just want/choose to cocoon/lockdown and let those of little risk start to live (like in Sweden obeying social distance etiquette - being treated like adults not children.

By the time May rolls around that will be 8 months of level 5 lockdown with a 3 week break in the middle. You’d get less prison sentences. Its inhumane to do to people.