Random EV thoughts.....

liamog · 04-02-2021 07:22PM

Particularly this part

As part of the support for the SPSV sector, the Department of Transport is investing in the installation of SPSV dedicated recharging infrastructure across the country. Last year, chargers were installed at Dublin (22kW and 2 x 150kW) and Cork (22kW and 50kW) airports, which are both already operational, as well as at Dublin (Heuston), Cork (Kent) and Limerick (Colbert) train stations (2 x50Kw) which will be available to SPSV drivers by March. Further installations at key transport hubs will also be completed in 2021.

Kramer · 04-02-2021 11:28PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

What's next? 'Electric cars can't be driven in the rain' You sound like a cretin certain Kerry politician.

That's just the cheap Teslas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GRO-sNuquM

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-finally-admits-model-3-bumpers-fall-off-in-rain-a-1845437462

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the_amazing_raisin · 05-02-2021 08:57AM

That's the problem with designing cars in California

05-02-2021 10:09AM

There was probably a piece of the underbody missing before this that made the bumper into a scoop!

McGiver · 05-02-2021 12:20PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

This looks like a promising move...

https://twitter.com/dept_transport/status/1357322026436997127?s=21

Too little too late. By the time they install few chargers in few cities for taxis, the whole Europe will have had wireless chargers at taxi ranks! :cool:

silverharp · 05-02-2021 01:24PM

are there any models coming out in 2022? sub 40K range?

innrain · 05-02-2021 01:49PM

silverharp wrote: »

are there any models coming out in 2022? sub 40K range?

Are you asking for taxis or in general ?

I think with 20k scrappage deal MG5 would sell like hot cakes. Or at least it should
https://www.linders.ie/mg-5-ev

silverharp · 05-02-2021 02:02PM

innrain wrote: »

Are you asking for taxis or in general ?

I think with 20k scrappage deal MG5 would sell like hot cakes. Or at least it should
https://www.linders.ie/mg-5-ev

domestic vehicle, something that would compete with ID3 or the E208

MJohnston · 05-02-2021 02:04PM

silverharp wrote: »

are there any models coming out in 2022? sub 40K range?

BMW i4 might be close depending on the rebate amounts.

the_amazing_raisin · 05-02-2021 02:07PM

silverharp wrote: »

domestic vehicle, something that would compete with ID3 or the E208

There's the Corsa-E, which is basically the E-208 in disguise
Shorter range E-Niro and Kona as well
Nissan Ariya will have a shorter range model, but that might be 2022

MJohnston · 05-02-2021 02:12PM

silverharp wrote: »

domestic vehicle, something that would compete with ID3 or the E208

It's hard to know what the pricing will be this far out tbh, but by then we should have the following in the affordable domestic range:
- Citreon eC4
- Mazda MX-30
- Fiat 500
- new Kona
- Opel Mokka-e
- Skoda Enyaq
- two (?) new Ioniqs
- a new Kia

I'm sure there are others I'm not aware of too.

AndyBoBandy · 05-02-2021 02:38PM

See the €20,000 grant available to help taxi drivers to switch to a new BEV?
If they availed of this, would they then lose out on the SEAI grant? so the saving might not be as big as €20k?

Because if I was a taxi driver just now, I'd be looking for €18,000 down the side of the couch, and getting a new Kona, or check my jeans as well for €38k for a LR Model 3, and making a fortune taxi'ing them!!

580 km WLTP on a LR Model 3?? No problem, a taxi driver will get 700km hypermiling it... and then charging up at home every night for feck all!!

Tesla-Model-3-greencab.jpg?quality=82&strip=all

ELM327 · 05-02-2021 03:04PM

Thats such a big grant. Any taxi driver not doing it needs to question themselves tbh. Essentially that 20k upfront cost for a Kona after grant or a bit more for an M3, is a prepayment against all repairs, servicing etc and also 90% of their fuel costs.

05-02-2021 03:06PM

Bjorn Nyland interviewed a Norwegian Taxi Driver and Taxi drivers here should watch that video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Ef2qkV664

graememk · 05-02-2021 03:48PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

See the €20,000 grant available to help taxi drivers to switch to a new BEV?
If they availed of this, would they then lose out on the SEAI grant? so the saving might not be as big as €20k?

I don't think they get the seai grant,

The Black Oil · 06-02-2021 10:57AM

Watched Bjorn's video of Nissan Ariya in a showroom last night. What happens pre-production models after press interest has settled down, are they put aside or finished and sold?

the_amazing_raisin · 06-02-2021 11:31AM

The Black Oil wrote: »

Watched Bjorn's video of Nissan Ariya in a showroom last night. What happens pre-production models after press interest has settled down, are they put aside or finished and sold?

I think they tend to end up in a warehouse waiting to be disassembled or repurposed

I know of one early Tesla Model S which was converted to a test vehicle for autopilot and then given to the fire department for training in how to deal with a burning EV

silverharp · 07-02-2021 12:05PM

MJohnston wrote: »

It's hard to know what the pricing will be this far out tbh, but by then we should have the following in the affordable domestic range:
- Citreon eC4
- Mazda MX-30
- Fiat 500
- new Kona
- Opel Mokka-e
- Skoda Enyaq
- two (?) new Ioniqs
- a new Kia

I'm sure there are others I'm not aware of too.

the eC4 looks interesting

07-02-2021 12:08PM

Zoe sized MG EV is supposed to be coming within a year too.

silverharp · 07-02-2021 01:18PM

who runs MG these days? I thought it was dead

Silent Running · 07-02-2021 01:28PM

silverharp wrote: »

who runs MG these days? I thought it was dead

The Chinese bought it, last I heard.

ELM327 · 08-02-2021 10:02AM

silverharp wrote: »

who runs MG these days? I thought it was dead

It is dead.
The chinese bought the name and are selling rebadged chinese cars as MG.
The base car for this, the petrol one, got 3 stars in the NCAP test.

Markcheese · 08-02-2021 10:23AM

On the taxi thing , would the e-niro be the ideal taxi ,
A bit more space inside , and plenty of range ...
Although there is an opel / peugeot / citroen electric van available if you need something either wheelchair accessible or 7 / 8 seater ,

08-02-2021 10:28AM

Markcheese wrote: »

On the taxi thing , would the e-niro be the ideal taxi ,
A bit more space inside , and plenty of range ...
Although there is an opel / peugeot / citroen electric van available if you need something either wheelchair accessible or 7 / 8 seater ,

Nissan eNV200 is most likely the taxi to be looking for.
NV200 is wheelchair accessible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIQ-cfNGc6k

zg3409 · 08-02-2021 11:18AM

Markcheese wrote: »

On the taxi thing , would the e-niro be the ideal taxi ,
A bit more space inside , and plenty of range ...
Although there is an opel / peugeot / citroen electric van available if you need something either wheelchair accessible or 7 / 8 seater ,

I would have thought a niro would be better than a leaf as a taxi.
E.g. real 64kWh battery useable as opposed to biggest leaf which is less
Battery cooling, increases battery life and faster charging (although niro is not particularly fast)
Access to CCS chargers like ionity
11kW AC depending on model

The big downsides I see of EV taxi in general:
There is a massive problem now with taxis being commercially unviable during lockdown with big insurance and PCP or lease on existing car, and not being able to pay it
Often taxi drivers go 100km before they start work, and need 100km to get home.
You need to refuse the odd long trip like airport runs, or any trip when battery is low
Daily diesel costs are not that high (mate is a taxi driver) and offset by expensive fares and diesel costs can be claimed back (not sure if 100%)

Chargers are not in locations where taxis wait and typically they wait in a rank at say a dart station and have a radio or app for telephone bookings. The ranks are first in first out, and often they wait 30+ minutes. There would need to be say a 22kW AC for every spot, or a ticket/priority system, where they sit at charger, but customers are directed to them over those who arrive later.

If there are 3 taxis for every customer now and pubs arent going to be back to normal in 2021, nor airports, I would not be sinking any savings into lower fuel cost vehicle.

All this said if there was a bank of 150kW chargers at all taxi waiting areas it might make sense. New chargers at Dublin and Cork airport coming on line soon might make sense for those based at airports, particularly if airport queuing system takes into account charging. I would like to see cost benefit of fuel vs public 150kW charging mid shift, with home charging.

timsey tiger · 08-02-2021 12:25PM

ELM327 wrote: »

It is dead.
The chinese bought the name and are selling rebadged chinese cars as MG.
The base car for this, the petrol one, got 3 stars in the NCAP test.

I'm sure you know that the MG ZS EV got 5 stars, but for some reason you decided to keep it from the other posters who might not know this.

ELM327 · 08-02-2021 12:32PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

I'm sure you know that the MG ZS EV got 5 stars, but for some reason you decided to keep it from the other posters who might not know this.

Yes but that was not what I said./
I said the "BASE CAR FOR THIS" got 3 stars, base meaning before conversion.

There was nothing inaccurate about what I said.

liamog · 08-02-2021 12:41PM

A lot of cars that were previously 5 star would now be classed as 3 star. It's pretty much impossible to get above a 3 star rating without an AEB and Lane Keeping system.

timsey tiger · 08-02-2021 01:28PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but that was not what I said./
I said the "BASE CAR FOR THIS" got 3 stars, base meaning before conversion.

There was nothing inaccurate about what I said.

I didn't say there was anything inaccurate in what you said, so I fail to see the reason for you bringing up this.

JohnC. · 08-02-2021 01:31PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but that was not what I said./
I said the "BASE CAR FOR THIS" got 3 stars, base meaning before conversion.

There was nothing inaccurate about what I said.

But how is it relevant? It's a different, non-EV car. The EV, which people are more likely to talk about on an EV forum, got 5 stars. But you decided to talk about something else because of a nonsensical bee in your bonnet. Even your precious "made in America" cars use Chinese parts, including safety parts, before you decide to say again that you don't drive a phone.

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