Wales v Ireland Match Thread (thanks for nothing awec)

07-02-2021 06:25PM

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

I think this comment section just sums up the situation at 10 in this country, when Sexton lets the team down with a miss touch we just move on yet when Burns does the same thing we never hear the end of it.

Sexton has been a tremendous servant for Ireland but time and tide wait for no man.

AbusesToilets · 07-02-2021 06:25PM

Arduach wrote: »

Don't buddy me.

Two in a long career. When you're physically fired up these incidents happen. Were you equally as appalled with CJ Stander in SA in 2016 or is this provincial crap. Take your head out of the toilet.

2 this year for the same action. The replays today clearly show he positioned himself to smash the Welsh player in the head.

You're on a hiding to nothing defending that.

testtech05 · 07-02-2021 06:25PM

Scratchly wrote: »

Ringrose too. Thought he was fantastic. Both of them and Keenan were a class apart from everyone else on the pitch.

Ringrose in general was very good but it was a bit of a mad decision he made to try and offload just outside our 22 which led to the 1st try.

breezy1985 · 07-02-2021 06:25PM

thebaz wrote: »

Thats ridiculous , a young inexperienced player has a nightmare , anyone whos played sport know it happens sometimes, the sign of a true player is he how he comes back. So definitly desreves a second chance.

POM on the other hand, doing that in 2021 , that is inexcusable.

He is 26 and a starter on a fairly big european club. People are acting like he is some 18 y kid on his first cap

TomsOnTheRoof · 07-02-2021 06:26PM

POM did not cost us the game. He gave us an enormous uphill battle to contest but we lost it with poor kicking and passing and poor decision making. We had two kicks to touch fall short which was critical. The second especially so as we had waltzed them back 10 or 15 yards with the previous maul.

I'll never understand why we don't use Murray and Lowe for right and left foot touch finders. Really poor decision making, bordering on stupidity.

POM deserves to be given a bollocking for his card today but people talking of making him a pariah from the national squad are talking rubbish. He still has plenty to offer and has been in good form for Munster. What about when Heaslip kneed McCaw in the head or O'Driscoll stamped on the Italian. Where were the calls then?

Our issues go far beyond one player acting the scrote and committing a stupid offence.

Happy4all · 07-02-2021 06:27PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The Burns was one of those "everything depends on this" kicks. He won't be the last person to do it but that was not why Wales won.

we will never know, but we had the momentum

is_that_so · 07-02-2021 06:27PM

testtech05 wrote: »

Ringrose in general was very good but it was a bit of a mad decision he made to try and offload just outside our 22 which led to the 1st try.

It's those fairy feet lads, they think they can fly! A good game otherwise.

Buer · 07-02-2021 06:27PM

thebaz wrote: »

Thats ridiculous , a young inexperienced player has a nightmare , anyone whos played sport know it happens sometimes, the sign of a true player is he how he comes back. So definitly desreves a second chance.

POM on the other hand, doing that in 2021 , that is inexcusable.

Billy Burns turns 27 this season. He has a very significant body of work in his career to date. He had a howler and, whilst he shouldn't be cast aside entirely, that performance is not acceptable at test level.

Scratchly · 07-02-2021 06:27PM

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

I think this comment section just sums up the situation at 10 in this country, when Sexton lets the team down with a miss touch we just move on yet when Burns does the same thing we never hear the end of it.

This comment sums it up better. There's a real victim complex on here. Sexton is criticised non stop.

lucernarian · 07-02-2021 06:27PM

flazio wrote: »

Some of you are being way too harsh on Burns based on just one kick.
It was his penalty kick that got us to within 5 to begin with.

And what about kicking out on the full and the completely wayward pass immediately prior to kicking that penalty on behalf of Wales? I'm struggling to forgive that tbh.

shootermacg · 07-02-2021 06:27PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Time to bring back Paddy J into the fold?

It's Ulster tens that are the problem.

PhlegmyMoses · 07-02-2021 06:27PM

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

I think this comment section just sums up the situation at 10 in this country, when Sexton lets the team down with a miss touch we just move on yet when Burns does the same thing we never hear the end of it.

Its almost like Sexton has credit in the bank or something.....

letowski · 07-02-2021 06:27PM

There was actually a good few positives in that performance even in defeat. And it was an entirely self inflicted defeat, there is much more in them. Like Heenan emerging as a possible long term solution at 15 is a big takeaway. I taught Heffernan looked better than Herring too. Furlong and Hendo coming back and playing well. Need to cut down the errors and we’ll have a chance against the French. Hopefully Doris will be back too (to replace POM)

Clegg · 07-02-2021 06:28PM

The loss is all the more frustrating because a lot of our players actually performed incredibly well. Beirne, Henshaw and Keenan were great. And Ringrose, mistake for the Welsh try aside, was our most potent attacking threat.

But we simply don't get the best out of the backline. As individuals they're playing well, but we don't have a system in place that exploits their strengths. I suppose you could say we're allowing them to make.tbeir own decisions, but that leads to errors when things don't go perfectly, as seem by Burns's horror 20 minutes. There was no structure for him.to play off of and he made wrong decision, after wrong decision.

Niallof9 · 07-02-2021 06:28PM

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

POM did not cost us the game. He gave us an enormous uphill battle to contest but we lost it with poor kicking and passing and poor decision making. We had two kicks to touch fall short which was critical. The second especially so as we had waltzed them back 10 or 15 yards with the previous maul.

I'll never understand why we don't use Murray and Lowe for right and left foot touch finders. Really poor decision making, bordering on stupidity.

POM deserves to be given a bollocking for his card today but people talking of making him a pariah from the national squad are talking rubbish. He still has plenty to offer and has been in good form for Munster. What about when Heaslip kneed McCaw in the head or O'Driscoll stamped on the Italian. Where were the calls then?

Our issues go far beyond one player acting the scrite and committing a stupid offence.

Jesus, the blame fully lies with Pom. Sure we know what will happen he'll get a shiny new deal and be in Ireland squads till he's 37. And they'll still be people defending him and lauding his huge 1 in 5 big plays and unseen work, and his pashun.

dublinman1990 · 07-02-2021 06:28PM

Shane Horgan on VM was asking Farrell about Sexton there.

Sexton was only talking to a post match interviewer live on the BBC a while ago. He seemed fine but I'm not sure how fine though.

Did Sexton recover from his HIA at that point when he was on BBC?

degsie · 07-02-2021 06:28PM

Told Burnes not to wear these....

UAEguy2020 · 07-02-2021 06:28PM

England’s loss yesterday makes things a little better for us as it still leaves the championship very much in our hands, we need to come out and beat the French next week and if we do that we are in a good place for the rest of the championship, I saw enough in the performance to be hopeful for the rest of the championship, yes concede a red but we always do stupid **** vs Wales so that’s not a surprise. What today told us is we need to persist with our “leaders” , they are nothing but liabilities for this team and I’m sick of us trying to carry them everywhere and in fact it was the younger inform players who brought us back into the match. I presume Ryan is out next week as is O'Mahony & possibly Sexton we need Henderson in, Ruddock/Connors in, Byrne in. I’m sick of us relying on Sexton, he far more often than not leaves the team down and I don’t want to hear this crap of “the others wouldn’t do better” what did Sexton do today to be worthy of the hype he still gets? When ever he stands out it’s for the wrong reasons.

Bazzo · 07-02-2021 06:29PM

kmart6 wrote: »

Maybe so but at least he found touch!

He actually missed 2 I think

thebaz · 07-02-2021 06:29PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

He is 26 and a starter on a fairly big european club. People are acting like he is some 18 y kid on his first cap

Discard him for one poor performance , as I said every player has poor performnce , the sign of a great player is how they respond.

FixdePitchmark · 07-02-2021 06:31PM

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

POM did not cost us the game. He gave us an enormous uphill battle to contest but we lost it with poor kicking and passing and poor decision making. We had two kicks to touch fall short which was critical. The second especially so as we had waltzed them back 10 or 15 yards with the previous maul.

I'll never understand why we don't use Murray and Lowe for right and left foot touch finders. Really poor decision making, bordering on stupidity.

POM deserves to be given a bollocking for his card today but people talking of making him a pariah from the national squad are talking rubbish. He still has plenty to offer and has been in good form for Munster. What about when Heaslip kneed McCaw in the head or O'Driscoll stamped on the Italian. Where were the calls then?

Our issues go far beyond one player acting the scrite and committing a stupid offence.

He cost us the game . Dont be daft.

Arduach · 07-02-2021 06:31PM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

2 this year for the same action. The replays today clearly show he positioned himself to smash the Welsh player in the head.

You're on a hiding to nothing defending that.

You see you can't tell the difference between defending something, which I'm not, and explaining how it happens.

You have obviously played no serious sport. You're just whinging on your sofa because Ireland lost.

An awful lot of players in a lot of games play on the edge, take that from them and they're nothing.

In black and white toilet abuser, I'm not defending it, but explaining how it happens.

In your little court he's guilty of murder. POM didn't deliberately go out to injure a player.

thebaz · 07-02-2021 06:31PM

Very weak anaysis from Shaggy , not asking Farrell about the main issue - the sending off - Farrell really get's an easy ride by the media.

mystic86 · 07-02-2021 06:32PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Gotta love all the Sh1tstirrers that come onto the rugby forum every February to talk about how terrible Ireland are and how we shouldn’t bother even turning up

If you don’t like rugby, gogglebox or dancing on Ice or the voice or hundreds of other shows are all there, waiting for you to watch

Just cause you think they don't love it as much as you do it does not mean they are not entitled to an opinion on our national team.

UAEguy2020 · 07-02-2021 06:32PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Its almost like Sexton has credit in the bank or something.....

From 3 years ago, credit in the bank doesn’t really cut it when you are 36 and shooting the team in the foot. Would Ross Byrne have done much worse today? Atleast he’s 25 and has some growth in him.

lawrencesummers · 07-02-2021 06:33PM

Can I let you all in on a bit of information that shouldn’t come as the slightest surprise.

Burns isn’t an international.

ckeego · 07-02-2021 06:33PM

Happy4all wrote: »

Don't you just love a "know it all"

It’s not a “know it all” summation, but you are welcome to your childish response. Same as your F off comment elsewhere to another opinion..

Some great positives to be seen from a 14 man Ireland but it’s very difficult for Burns to be thrown in to a pressure cooker game where he’s had so little international time. It’ll always be a problem when there’s a world class 10 there for so long for the understudy to get time (see Ward/Campbell, O’Gara/Sexton and in turn Sexton/Madigan, Carty, Byrne, Burns Etc.)

The performances from Keenan, Henshaw, Beirne, Healy for 50 and VDF we’re very positive.

My point was that it is very hard to fill those gaps with 14, you can’t afford to make many mistakes but my sincerest apologies to you for coming across as a “know all”...

TomsOnTheRoof · 07-02-2021 06:34PM

Niallof9 wrote: »

Jesus, the blame fully lies with Pom. Sure we know what will happen he'll get a shiny new deal and be in Ireland squads till he's 37. And they'll still be people defending him and lauding his huge 1 in 5 big plays and unseen work, and his pashun.

How does the blame fully lie with him when we took the lead after he went off and were in a position to win it at the death?

UAEguy2020 · 07-02-2021 06:34PM

thebaz wrote: »

Discard him for one poor performance , as I said every player has poor performnce , the sign of a great player is how they respond.

And that tells us Sexton isn’t a great player... can’t wait for him to continue to let the team down next week as usual.

AbusesToilets · 07-02-2021 06:34PM

Arduach wrote: »

You see you can't tell the difference between defending something, which I'm not, and explaining how it happens.

You have obviously played no serious sport. You're just whinging on your sofa because Ireland lost.

An awful lot of players in a lot of games play on the edge, take that from them and they're nothing.

In black and white toilet abuser, I'm not defending it, but explaining how it happens.

In your little court he's guilty of murder. POM didn't deliberately go out to injure a player.

Explaining how it happened, jesus wept. It happened because POM decided he wanted to smash the Welsh player in the head, who was not a threat to the ball at all either. Real big brain move.

Wales v Ireland Match Thread (thanks for nothing awec)

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