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What would you do with €130K in savings as a 30 year old?

  • 04-02-2021 10:59pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭HillCloudHop


    I've managed to save 130K through the combination of a frugal lifestyle, living several years rent free and a decent paying job.

    Not sure what my next step is. I'm hesitant to buy into the stock markets. I know people say you can't time the market, but I feel that it's primed for a major pullback at some point in the near future (people have been this for years though). The markets seem crazy at the moment. I conversely don't like the idea of my savings rotting away in a bank.

    I've got a PRSA. I can't take out a mortgage at the moment as my line of work means it will be at least 5 more years before I'll know where I'm living long-term.

    What would you do?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Drip feed it into the stockmarket. You don't have to put 130k in now. Buy into a fund at maybe 1000 a month or something like that. If market drops you're buying in cheaper and you'll benefit from future upswing. Google dollar cost averaging.
    Enjoy having a few quid at hand. Go on a holiday for a month when you can. Learn about investing with your relatively small regular contributions.
    And get a financial advisor, fee paid.

    But before you do this in a savings fund, max out the prsa contributions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭Lmkrnr


    Live a little. Marry a women with a bit of land, build a house and enjoy your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭macsauce


    Are you using your full pension contribution allowance? If not, for your age I think you can put 20% of your gross salary in. If you make a contribution into your pension from your after tax salary you can claim tax relief on this. Basically you’ll get a 40% return in year one which you could then reinvest or save.

    I am NOT a QFA and with the amount you’re talking about you should talk to a financial advisor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    +1 on maxing out pension contributions. Investments are generally taxed punatively in Ireland but pension funds are allowed to grow tax free.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Rezident


    Bitcoin.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Rezident


    Lmkrnr wrote: »
    Live a little. Marry a women with a bit of land, build a house and enjoy your life.


    OP - Be very careful about getting married here, the Family Laws in Ireland are significantly biased towards the woman and are openly biased against men/fathers. She will get the kids, the house, the money and your future earnings no matter how poor her conduct.



    Be very careful especially now that 50% of marriages fail and 80% of divorces are initiated by the woman. As soon as you run into issues, as every relationship does, it is only a matter of time before one of her female friends will tell her: 'you know, if you leave him girl, you get the house, the kids, all his money etc. etc.'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭berocca2016


    Rezident wrote: »
    OP - Be very careful about getting married here, the Family Laws in Ireland are significantly biased towards the woman and are openly biased against men/fathers. She will get the kids, the house, the money and your future earnings no matter how poor her conduct.



    Be very careful especially now that 50% of marriages fail and 80% of divorces are initiated by the woman. As soon as you run into issues, as every relationship does, it is only a matter of time before one of her female friends will tell her: 'you know, if you leave him girl, you get the house, the kids, all his money etc. etc.'

    OP could be a woman?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭SuperSean11


    Im hearing good things about Anglo Irish Bank ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Irishphotodesk


    Don't do anything with it ... Keep it unless you need it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    Rezident wrote: »
    Bitcoin.

    And GameStop :)

    With benign inflation and zero interest rates ( possibly going negative soon) people are searching for alternatives.

    Def max the pension, after that it's difficult to give any advice except get a decent advisor.

    I would agree that the stock market is top heavy at present and is bound to have a pull back, but there could be value in the UK where the market has lagged due to Brexit


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Yyhhuuu


    I'm amazed to learn how you amassed that sum at such a young age. Care to let us know. I personally have a gross income of 2900 per month and can save about 1,650 net per month. My property is morthgage-free.

    If you intend to buy a property then keep your money in cash. Drip feed in to regular saver accounts. Ulster Bank pay 0.85 per year and you can pay 3,500 per month. But they may pull out of ROI. PTSB regular saver pays 0.20% interest. I think buying a property as your principal private residence should be a priority.

    Perhaps pre nuptial contracts will be fully recognised In Irish Law when or if you decide to marry. I suggest you sign one as it looks like you will be heading for your
    First million in no time


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yyhhuuu wrote: »
    Perhaps pre nuptial contracts will be fully recognised In Irish Law when or if you decide to marry

    They don't exist in Irish Law, and there's no push to change that.


    Regarding marriage - any girlfriend becomes a common law wife after a few years anyway, so if you're wanting to be with anyone long term, you're in trouble, married or not.

    If I were you, OP, I'd keep it in an short notice savings account. Five years will pass quickly enough. If you know you'll have a permanent location in 5 years, I'd hoard the money until then, and I'd sign up to the likes of Bank Of Ireland's mortgage-saver account (they give you 2k back if you save with them for a little while and get a mortgage with them). You could be in a position to buy your house outright if you are fortunate enough, or at the least, get a mortgage on a more expensive, nicer house, if you wanted to go down that road (wouldn't saddle yourself with loads of debt, though, obviously).


    Either that, or a €130k sports car.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    macsauce wrote: »
    Are you using your full pension contribution allowance? If not, for your age I think you can put 20% of your gross salary in. If you make a contribution into your pension from your after tax salary you can claim tax relief on this. Basically you’ll get a 40% return in year one which you could then reinvest or save.

    I am NOT a QFA and with the amount you’re talking about you should talk to a financial advisor.
    OP, be very careful who you seek advice from, get an actual proper adviser and not just someone who has QFA after their name. I personally qualified as a QFA (Professional Diploma in Financial Advice) a number of years ago and it is a nonsense qualification, only required an odd bit of study and cramming the night before exams. I worked in other aspects of financial services more in line with my degree so I never actually sold anyone investments and such, but it was scary that in theory the bank could have had me selling stuff to people and 'advising' them when I had basically no idea.

    Nice problem to have though OP, well done.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    OP, be very careful who you seek advice from, get an actual proper adviser and not just someone who has QFA after their name. I personally qualified as a QFA (Professional Diploma in Financial Advice) a number of years ago and it is a nonsense qualification, only required an odd bit of study and cramming the night before exams. I worked in other aspects of financial services more in line with my degree so I never actually sold anyone investments and such, but it was scary that in theory the bank could have had me selling stuff to people and 'advising' them when I had basically no idea.


    Nice problem to have though OP, well done.

    CFA is the premium qualification isn't it?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    What would you do?

    Start by defining your objective, the time line and how you will measure it. It is the only way you can decide what financial products are right for you.

    Understand the nature of risk and realize there is no such thing as a risk free option. Every financial product comes with its own set of risks and some are not understood by most people. Even the decision to do nothing comes with a risk profile.

    Have a look in the mirror, the person you see looking back at represents the biggest threat to your financial well-being, if not handled correctly. For instance if you are a risk averse person, there is no point in buying a highly volatile product, since the chances are good you’ll bail at the wrong time costing you money.

    Once you have all this in place you are in a position to start filtering the options available to suit you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    CFA is the premium qualification isn't it?

    Or SFA? Sweet f All :)

    I'd go to someone that charges a fee and will see you as a long term client


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    CFA is the premium qualification isn't it?
    Well there are CFPs too, they have had to do a Grad Dip and have to have a certain amount of real world experience.

    Just don't blindly follow advice or let qualifications overawe you.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    I woulnd't be going to anybody with that amount of money, it's not in the millions. Really your options are limited. Maxing out pension, ETF's or sitting in your bank account waiting to use on a house.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    Just don't blindly follow advice or let qualifications overawe you.

    There is zero risk of that happening.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There is zero risk of that happening.
    I worked in personal insolvency and bankruptcy. The amount of people who made investments and stupid decisions unquestioningly because they just blindly followed the advice of people who were "qualified" or "experts" (and I'm not talking about Eddie Hobbs!) who must know best even if they personally didn't think it sounded great was staggering (and sad).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭douglashyde


    Im 31, and have done relatively well - through savings and then my own company so have a good bit of experience here.

    Short answer is it's complicated and there's no such thing as a crystal ball when it comes to financial advise....

    In my own humble opinion, the market is overpriced right now, you're also right 'don't time the market, it's time in the market' . If I had 130K at 31 personally Id look to put 15K into a spread of crypto, 50K into a spread of solid high tech (hardware, software, bio) companies with solid financial foundations and buy in over the next 2-3 years. I'd then take 25K and invest into personal development - that could be a degree, setting up your own business or just personal development, last I'd take the remaining balance and go buy expensive whisky, bags of coke, hookers, and a 1st class ticket around the world << balance.

    Everyone goes on about Irish pensions, which is true, they are a great tax savers - but make sure you are actually paying the tax to save.

    However, the one golden rule is; do not buy off the shelf pension or investment products from financial institutions.. -- they are easy to access and seem like a great idea but they will charge you a fortune to 'manage' in fees for something you can do yourself or pay someone to setup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Yyhhuuu


    They don't exist in Irish Law, and there's no push to change that.


    Regarding marriage - any girlfriend becomes a common law wife after a few years anyway, so if you're wanting to be with anyone long term, you're in trouble, married or not.

    If I were you, OP, I'd keep it in an short notice savings account. Five years will pass quickly enough. If you know you'll have a permanent location in 5 years, I'd hoard the money until then, and I'd sign up to the likes of Bank Of Ireland's mortgage-saver account (they give you 2k back if you save with them for a little while and get a mortgage with them). You could be in a position to buy your house outright if you are fortunate enough, or at the least, get a mortgage on a more expensive, nicer house, if you wanted to go down that road (wouldn't saddle yourself with loads of debt, though, obviously).


    Either that, or a €130k sports car.

    I studied family law as part of my law degree. I understand The courts may have regard to pre nuptial agreements, but they may not be obliged to enforce them.

    The other matter you refer to as property rights acquired by a common law wife is in fact not common law but statutory law namely the Civil Partnership and Certain Cohabitants Act(out of memory not the precise title) which confers rights on cohabitants after a prescribed number of years of cohabitation.

    The priority for OP is to buy a house to live in if you dont already own a house. I personally would use the savings to do that. In the meantime Invest the savings in a Deposit account with a max of 100k in each bank. Do not invest in the stock market if you intend to use the money in the short term.

    If you do intend to invest the money make sure you obtain advice from a fee charging financial advisor who is not being paid commission.

    I agree with the other poster, spend some of it on yourself e.g. an expensive holiday etc...

    Hope all goes well for you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Jimbobjoeyman


    CFA is the premium qualification isn't it?

    As someone studying for the CFA I can tell you that it is and it isn't.

    It's considered the gold standard qualification in investment management, particularly at the institutional level. You'll learn a lot about portfolio management, equity analysis, fixed income,derivatives etc.

    But it's not really geared towards advising individuals and wealth management as there's no country-specific portion that looks at tax law and so forth.
    So while I could talk all day about fundamental analysis and building risk-efficient portfolios when it comes to tax which is just as if not more important I know nothing and would need a financial planner/tax advisor.

    I'd advise looking at reputation rather than a qualification in this area as the QFA isn't that old a qualification and a lot of the more experienced advisers may not have it as they were grandfathered in when it became a requirement. Plus as mentioned above it's handy enough to pick up with minimum effort so other than for regulatory purposes its hardly worth the paper it's written on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dd973


    Bricks and mortar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Yyhhuuu


    As someone studying for the CFA I can tell you that it is and it isn't.

    It's considered the gold standard qualification in investment management, particularly at the institutional level. You'll learn a lot about portfolio management, equity analysis, fixed income,derivatives etc.

    But it's not really geared towards advising individuals and wealth management as there's no country-specific portion that looks at tax law and so forth.
    So while I could talk all day about fundamental analysis and building risk-efficient portfolios when it comes to tax which is just as if not more important I know nothing and would need a financial planner.

    I'd advise looking at reputation rather than a qualification in this area as the QFA isn't that old a qualification and a lot of the more experienced advisers may not have it as they were grandfathered in when it became a requirement. Plus as mentioned above it's handy enough to pick up with minimum effort so other than for regulatory purposes its hardly worth the paper it's written on.

    All the Bank staff in branches seem to have a QFA qualification. They are the LAST people I would take advice from qualification or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Irishphotodesk


    OP, put it into prizebonds, you can access your money at any time (I think it takes 30days) and you get the chance at winning a few prizes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭homewardbound11


    OP, put it into prizebonds, you can access your money at any time (I think it takes 30days) and you get the chance at winning a few prizes

    Once banks start charging negative interest you’ll see a lot more in prize bonds . Most won’t see any prizes then even with 50k in the pot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Sounds like alot of people have became more interested in money and spent alot of their younger years working instead of living it up. Don't be scared to spend some of it on things you want that will make you happy. Life is to short to be worrying about making loads of money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭2012paddy2012


    Yyhhuuu wrote: »
    I'm amazed to learn how you amassed that sum at such a young age. Care to let us know. I personally have a gross income of 2900 per month and can save about 1,650 net per month. My property is morthgage-free.

    If you intend to buy a property then keep your money in cash. Drip feed in to regular saver accounts. Ulster Bank pay 0.85 per year and you can pay 3,500 per month. But they may pull out of ROI. PTSB regular saver pays 0.20% interest. I think buying a property as your principal private residence should be a priority.

    Perhaps pre nuptial contracts will be fully recognised In Irish Law when or if you decide to marry. I suggest you sign one as it looks like you will be heading for your
    First million in no time

    Pre nup in Ireland have - no legal standing whatsoever. Be wary


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,376 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Go to Vegas and put it all on black (or maybe red).

    Win or lose, you'll have a great dinner party anecdote for years to come.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Atlas_IRL


    property & pension


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭2012paddy2012


    Go to Vegas and put it all on black (or maybe red).

    Win or lose, you'll have a great dinner party anecdote for years to come.

    Silly reply to a genuine question


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,960 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Why don't you invest in An Post State Saving products. Although the interest rate has decreased they still have the best returns if you leave the investment in long term.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I worked in personal insolvency and bankruptcy. The amount of people who made investments and stupid decisions unquestioningly because they just blindly followed the advice of people who were "qualified" or "experts" (and I'm not talking about Eddie Hobbs!) who must know best even if they personally didn't think it sounded great was staggering (and sad).

    My parents nearing retirement in the mid-2000's were advised by a certain "money doctor" to draw down 40k mortgage top-up. My parents asked, why, and he gave some vague reason to "have fun, buy a nice car, travel a bit and enjoy life" as they were getting older. He also encouraged them to invest in some properties in foreign countries that they had barely even heard of let along visited.

    The went away and thought about it and they realised they were quite content with the existing mid-market car and the usual mid-market holidays. A few months later the market went belly up. I am really glad I have parents who question the received wisdom from supposed "experts".


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Go to Vegas and put it all on black (or maybe red).

    Win or lose, you'll have a great dinner party anecdote for years to come.

    Will it be a great anecdote? Or will it be a brief amusement, and the main takeaway people will have is "what a gobsh1te that guy must be"?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Jimbobjoeyman


    My parents nearing retirement in the mid-2000's were advised by a certain "money doctor" to draw down 40k mortgage top-up. My parents asked, why, and he gave some vague reason to "have fun, buy a nice car, travel a bit and enjoy life" as they were getting older. He also encouraged them to invest in some properties in foreign countries that they had barely even heard of let along visited.

    The went away and thought about it and they realised they were quite content with the existing mid-market car and the usual mid-market holidays. A few months later the market went belly up. I am really glad I have parents who question the received wisdom from supposed "experts".

    One of my neighbours sold his farm a the height of the celtic tiger and was advised to invest the whole lot in anglo by his adviser.
    Great investment :rolleyes:

    Granted nobody could have known what was going on in anglo at the time.
    But ffs surely a professional adviser should have been aware of the concept of diversification.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    One of my neighbours sold his farm a the height of the celtic tiger and was advised to invest the whole lot in anglo by his adviser.
    Great investment :rolleyes:

    Granted nobody could have known what was going on in anglo at the time.
    But ffs surely a professional adviser should have been aware of the concept of diversification.

    I think they should study the human behaviour over those years they same way they modelled the behaviour of the German population during WW2.

    I remember it in the Celtic Tiger years, the uniformity of thought, the belief that house prices would always rise. It was crazy how the dissenting voices were in such an overwhelming minority.


  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭shakedown


    Whatever industry you’re in, I’m sure you recognise that there are some people in the profession that are top class, and others that you wonder how they got the job in the first place.

    Financial advisors are no different, and a good one would educate you on all the different risk/reward options and let you make the choice. A bad one would recommend one specific option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭2012paddy2012


    My parents nearing retirement in the mid-2000's were advised by a certain "money doctor" to draw down 40k mortgage top-up. My parents asked, why, and he gave some vague reason to "have fun, buy a nice car, travel a bit and enjoy life" as they were getting older. He also encouraged them to invest in some properties in foreign countries that they had barely even heard of let along visited.

    The went away and thought about it and they realised they were quite content with the existing mid-market car and the usual mid-market holidays. A few months later the market went belly up. I am really glad I have parents who question the received wisdom from supposed "experts".

    I got similar advice from a similar type money doctor - all was available on the net - biggest waste of a fee for me -


  • Registered Users Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    I I can't take out a mortgage at the moment as my line of work means it will be at least 5 more years before I'll know where I'm living long-term.

    What would you do?


    I don't understand this. You can still get a mortgage, right? You're just choosing not to. So what if you need to move in 5 years, can't you sell the house?



    Or alternatively you could buy an investment property now with this, rent it out to cover the mortgage, then save up another 100k plus and use that in 5 years to buy another home. Rinse and repeat about 3 more times and retire at 45.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭HillCloudHop


    I don't understand this. You can still get a mortgage, right? You're just choosing not to. So what if you need to move in 5 years, can't you sell the house?



    Or alternatively you could buy an investment property now with this, rent it out to cover the mortgage, then save up another 100k plus and use that in 5 years to buy another home. Rinse and repeat about 3 more times and retire at 45.

    Sorry, I phrased this poorly. I have to move across the country and likely abroad every year for the next 5 years to progress in my career. Would it be a lot of hassle renting a property out and dealing with tenants in this case?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭KyussB


    If it's just 5 years OP, it's not going to lose much so don't risk the money, just keep it spread across enough accounts/institutions so that you don't get burned by the deposit guarantee limits, if the banks go tits up - then put it into a home when you settle down.

    Prize bonds is probably the best/safest suggestion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,394 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Sorry, I phrased this poorly. I have to move across the country and likely abroad every year for the next 5 years to progress in my career. Would it be a lot of hassle renting a property out and dealing with tenants in this case?

    Your best bet in this case would be to let an agent fully manage the property for you. Obviously they will take a set fee from you, a months rent, or around 7% if I remember correctly. Personally I don't think I'd be comfortable with lobbing my full savings into the one single illiquid asset however, especially when you usually won't get much more than an 8% return at best, which the stockmarket has roughly averaged the last 20yrs or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Plus as mentioned above it's handy enough to pick up with minimum effort so other than for regulatory purposes its hardly worth the paper it's written on.

    The QFA cert is on pretty fancy paper. So it's worth less than the paper it's written on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭Low Energy Eng


    OP do you see the housing market going up or down within the 5 years in the area you want to live?

    I was in a similar position and decided to buy a few years ago so we now "rentvest".

    Glad we did it as the market has risen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    OP, whatever you do, stay away from cryptocurrencies. Its frightening the amount of people that don't realise they're worthless.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    OP, whatever you do, stay away from cryptocurrencies. Its frightening the amount of people that don't realise they're worthless.


    Well, if you somehow get a bitcoin I'd give you $35k for it.


    Don't be a luddite snob.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Well, if you somehow get a bitcoin I'd give you $35k for it.


    Don't be a luddite snob.

    Its amazing how offended people get when you criticise crypto? Do you know there are 6000 different cryptocurrencies?

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its amazing how offended people get when you criticise crypto? Do you know there are 6000 different cryptocurrencies?


    And I have zero and highly unlikely to buy one, but to say they have zero value is clearly wrong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    In some ways fair play accumulating that much money at a young age.
    But...

    I hope you haven't wasted your 20s accumulating money rather than enjoying life.
    If you have done, then start enjoying life now while you're still young.
    Leave half the money in the bank and quit your job and travel the world for a few years with the rest.
    When you come back (if you want to come back) you'll get another job.

    There's more to life than a little bit of money, you know. Don'tcha know that?


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