Your line is weak but your point is strong: Liveline from 10th January

generalgerry · 03-02-2021 01:56PM

What a stupid argument. The average age of the people who are dying is greater than the average life expectancy. I think people would make a lot more sense of this COVID thing for themselves with the starting fact that people DO actually die every year.

BPKS · 03-02-2021 01:57PM

The caller is correct, there is no plan.

And the main reason there is no plan is as follows.

People in the HSE are afraid to put their head on the block and make a decision. It's always a case of passing the buck, that's not my department you need to talk to X.

An emergency situation can be managed if a contingency or emergency plan has been thought out, tested and revised as necessary prior to the emergency.

In the case of Covid, they had all of February 2020 to come up with plans, back up plans and so on cos they knew what was coming. A month surely would have been enough.

But somebody who needed to be kept informed was probably on holidays (skiing In Italy) and the unions wouldn't let them work in the evening and at weekends to get it done.

So here we are.

McGinniesta · 03-02-2021 01:57PM

empty the hostibles

AllForIt · 03-02-2021 01:57PM

If you could keep covid out of nursing homes you could keep it out of everywhere.

TheHomeService · 03-02-2021 01:57PM

Deeec wrote: »

The point they are neglecting to make is that alot of residents in nursing homes died with covid not from covid - the cause of death was actually due to another medical issue.

It would be very interesting to know what mortality rates for the over 70s is like in the last 12 months, versus previous years.

Odyssey 2005 · 03-02-2021 01:58PM

BPKS wrote: »

The caller is correct, there is no plan.

And the main reason there is no plan is as follows.

People in the HSE are afraid to put their head on the block and make a decision. It's always a case of passing the buck, that's not my department you need to talk to X.

An emergency situation can be managed if a contingency or emergency plan has been thought out, tested and revised as necessary prior to the emergency.

In the case of Covid, they had all of February 2020 to come up with plans, back up plans and so on cos they knew what was coming. A month surely would have been enough.

But somebody who needed to be kept informed was probably on holidays (skiing In Italy) and the unions wouldn't let them work in the evening and at weekends to get it done.

So here we are.

In a nutshell. This is an excellent synopsis !

03-02-2021 01:58PM

Unwell versus De Unwell.

BPKS · 03-02-2021 01:59PM

Who's laughing at the UK now. 10 million vaccinated and look at our pathetic response

Roger_007 · 03-02-2021 01:59PM

McGinniesta wrote: »

One of the problems here is that there are never any solutions forthcoming.

I wonder will he entertain any calls today from people complaining that they can’t visit their elderly relatives in the nursing homes?

Maybe not!

McGinniesta · 03-02-2021 01:59PM

Jack Ma you clown

generalgerry · 03-02-2021 01:59PM

Bono gave everybody fly glasses.

Odyssey 2005 · 03-02-2021 01:59PM

They called bono ?

McGinniesta · 03-02-2021 01:59PM

Why would you go to Bono or Jack ma for medical equipment?

03-02-2021 01:59PM

I lost 3 relatives in nursing homes all 3 died of covid.

But I'm realistic enough to acknowledge that each would have died of some illness last year.

And people die of dementia eventually.

We have sacrificed the economy and saved a lot of very elderly.im not sure looking back we will think that was a good idea.

2smiggy · 03-02-2021 02:00PM

'I'm not qualified to answer dat'

perfect liveline caller

2smiggy · 03-02-2021 02:01PM

hello Fatima

generalgerry · 03-02-2021 02:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I lost 3 relatives in nursing homes all 3 died of covid.But I'm realistic enough to acknowledge that each would have died of some illness last year.

I'm not sure your story would fit RTE's narrative, I wouldn't bother try calling in.

Sorry for your losses by the way.

Dempo1 · 03-02-2021 02:01PM

It's truely sad but unfortunately Covid-19 decimated nursing homes world wide, not just Ireland

sligojoek · 03-02-2021 02:01PM

Who died belonging to you?

TheHomeService · 03-02-2021 02:01PM

BPKS wrote: »

Who's laughing at the UK now. 10 million vaccinated and look at our pathetic response

To be fair, look at their death rates.

Shocking.

McGinniesta · 03-02-2021 02:01PM

I heard a statistic yesterday that heart disease (more pertinently reported cases) has declined in the united states for the first time in around 30 years.

THERE HAS BEEN A SUGGESTION THAT IT MAY BE DUE TO REPORTING SOME CASES AS COVID

Jordan 199 · 03-02-2021 02:01PM

2smiggy wrote: »

'I'm not qualified to answer dat'

perfect liveline caller

The unqualified qualified.

TheHomeService · 03-02-2021 02:03PM

Jordan 199 wrote: »

The unqualified qualified.

Unqualified must mean she's an agency caller.

03-02-2021 02:03PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I lost 3 relatives in nursing homes all 3 died of covid.

But I'm realistic enough to acknowledge that each would have died of some illness last year.

And people die of dementia eventually.

We have sacrificed the economy and saved a lot of very elderly.im not sure looking back we will think that was a good idea.

Either way the battle isn't won

BPKS · 03-02-2021 02:03PM

TheHomeService wrote: »

To be fair, look at their death rates.

Shocking.

Yes but that's the past.

I'm talking about the present and future. And the HSEs response has been brutal and RTE and the Indo, Times etc are afraid to call them out on it.

piplip87 · 03-02-2021 02:03PM

McGinniesta wrote: »

I heard a statistic yesterday that heart disease (more pertinently reported cases) has declined in the united states for the first time in around 30 years.

THERE HAS BEEN A SUGGESTION THAT IT MAY BE DUE TO REPORTING SOME CASES AS COVID

Or people who have died of heart disease had COVID. COVID doesn't kill alot of people but alot of people die with COVID.

Odyssey 2005 · 03-02-2021 02:03PM

Joe getting excited

TheHomeService · 03-02-2021 02:04PM

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Joe getting excited

Digging for tears.

zell12 · 03-02-2021 02:05PM

How many deaths so far?

Odyssey 2005 · 03-02-2021 02:06PM

I feel for this lady, but this isn't the place for her.

I'm not new either

Your line is weak but your point is strong: Liveline from 10th January

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