Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Silentcorner · 28-01-2021 05:17PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Yes.

Its always easier to fool people than to prove to them they have been fooled.

I predict 10,000 new cases announced at 6.01 today.

If they announce less it means lockdown is working.

You are welcome.

I predict that we will diagnose less cancer cases, less heart disease than any other 12 months period....we can thank "lockdown science" for all the good news!!!!

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:18PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Quoting and replying to yourself???

Yep.

Is this a sin? Am I gonna get called tin foil hat now? aww dang I hoped to avoid being called that today :pac:

Boggerman12 · 28-01-2021 05:19PM

Looks like from the latest letter of doom from saint Tony that lockdowns are here to stay.the new variants are going to **** up the vaccines and get used to living in fear and never talking to anyone outside your bubble or the four walls again

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:19PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I predict that we will diagnose less cancer cases, less heart disease than any other 12 months period....we can thank "lockdown science" for all the good news!!!!

Ahhh the lockdown science.

We are still to get a link showing a study that outlines the many benefits of a lockdown.

It must have so many benefits that it takes a long, long time to conduct :pac:

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:20PM

Boggerman12 wrote: »

Looks like from the latest letter of doom from saint Tony that lockdowns are here to stay.the new variants are going to **** up the vaccines and get used to living in fear and never talking to anyone outside your bubble or the four walls again

Ugh. Glad I missed that rubbish.

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:23PM

Boggerman12 wrote: »

Looks like from the latest letter of doom from saint Tony that lockdowns are here to stay.the new variants are going to **** up the vaccines and get used to living in fear and never talking to anyone outside your bubble or the four walls again

damn thats actually somewhat funny

Where was he on the concernometer?

SAMTALK · 28-01-2021 05:23PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

No. Not it could not. It did not happen.

Not even close.

But you do get that it "could have ".

Your talking with hindsight don't forget

KrustyUCC · 28-01-2021 05:23PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Any links showing that outdoor dinning causes increase in covid incidence rates?

Nope but they also shut down non essential retail to stop people gathering

Retail and hairdressers etc will come back before outdoor dining

ypres5 · 28-01-2021 05:23PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

Could be
Worst case scenario

i don't think someone who was so off the mark should be courted by the media to the degree McConkey has i think ego is starting to play a factor in their presence in the press

28-01-2021 05:25PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Where are you getting 30k from?

4.9 million X 0.6%

Arghus · 28-01-2021 05:25PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Ahhh the lockdown science.

We are still to get a link showing a study that outlines the many benefits of a lockdown.

It must have so many benefits that it takes a long, long time to conduct :pac:

The benefit is having a health system that doesn't collapse.

Do you remember when we lifted the lockdown in December and it was immediately followed by a surge of cases that threatened to overwhelm the system unless further action was taken?

You were wearing your blue jumper?

SAMTALK · 28-01-2021 05:26PM

ypres5 wrote: »

i don't think someone who was so off the mark should be courted by the media to the degree McConkey has i think ego is starting to play a factor in their presence in the press

The point is he said "could have" not definitely will .

Silentcorner · 28-01-2021 05:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

4.9 million X 0.6%

Where are you getting 0.6 from, remember, we have no accurate figure on how many people have actually been infected.

28-01-2021 05:30PM

Christ this really is depressing. How so many people are living there lives devoid from a basic connection with reality is beyond me

28-01-2021 05:31PM

In NPHETs latest letter to Donnelly, they are more or less conceding that lockdown doesn’t work and they are expecting cases to rise. Strange strategy to pursue...

In its letter to Stephen Donnelly on 21 January, NPHET said the country remains in a very vulnerable position despite great progress in recent weeks.

It warned that "we will all find it challenging to maintain the very low levels of social contact and adherence to social distancing and hygiene measures required to maintain suppression".

The letter said it is likely that the effective reproduction number will drift upwards in the coming weeks.

ypres5 · 28-01-2021 05:32PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

The point is he said "could have" not definitely will .

He got it wrong by a very big margin though for someone in his position it's a bit inexcusable

KrustyUCC · 28-01-2021 05:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In NPHETs latest letter to Donnelly, they are more or less conceding that lockdown doesn’t work and they are expecting cases to rise. Strange strategy to pursue...

In its letter to Stephen Donnelly on 21 January, NPHET said the country remains in a very vulnerable position despite great progress in recent weeks.

It warned that "we will all find it challenging to maintain the very low levels of social contact and adherence to social distancing and hygiene measures required to maintain suppression".

The letter said it is likely that the effective reproduction number will drift upwards in the coming weeks.

That's why lockdowns are meant to be short term

Not months on end

28-01-2021 05:34PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Where are you getting 0.6 from, remember, we have no accurate figure on how many people have actually been infected.

Multiple international serology are converging at around 0.6%. In areas that have already seen > 0.2% of the population die, cases are still surging, indicating that any slowdown due to immunity has not kicked in. Starting to show up in Israel where vaccinations are making the difference

28-01-2021 05:35PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Where are you getting 0.6 from, remember, we have no accurate figure on how many people have actually been infected.

It’s a pessimistic guess.

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:35PM

Arghus wrote: »

The benefit is having a health system that doesn't collapse.

Do you remember when we lifted the lockdown in December and it was immediately followed by a surge of cases that threatened to overwhelm the system unless further action was taken?

You were wearing your blue jumper?

And the cost is cutting funding to the same health care system in the future, ultimately resulting in more deaths. Unless you think lockdowns are gonna make Ireland rich....

Were you wearing your red jumper?

Arghus · 28-01-2021 05:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In NPHETs latest letter to Donnelly, they are more or less conceding that lockdown doesn’t work and they are expecting cases to rise. Strange strategy to pursue...

In its letter to Stephen Donnelly on 21 January, NPHET said the country remains in a very vulnerable position despite great progress in recent weeks.

It warned that "we will all find it challenging to maintain the very low levels of social contact and adherence to social distancing and hygiene measures required to maintain suppression".

The letter said it is likely that the effective reproduction number will drift upwards in the coming weeks.

Saying that compliance becomes harder and harder as time goes on isn't the same as saying "lockdowns don't work"

That interpretation of the meaning of his words is bizarre.

Arghus · 28-01-2021 05:38PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

And the cost is cutting funding to the same health care system in the future, ultimately resulting in more deaths. Unless you think lockdowns are gonna make Ireland rich....

Were you wearing your red jumper?

One is a potential future problem, the other is an immediate definite problem.

28-01-2021 05:39PM

Arghus wrote: »

Saying that compliance becomes harder and harder as time goes on isn't the same as saying "lockdowns don't work"

That interpretation of the meaning of his words is bizarre.

It kind of is though...

They expect compliance to drop and cases to rise so.. more lockdown.

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In NPHETs latest letter to Donnelly, they are more or less conceding that lockdown doesn’t work and they are expecting cases to rise. Strange strategy to pursue...

In its letter to Stephen Donnelly on 21 January, NPHET said the country remains in a very vulnerable position despite great progress in recent weeks.

It warned that "we will all find it challenging to maintain the very low levels of social contact and adherence to social distancing and hygiene measures required to maintain suppression".

The letter said it is likely that the effective reproduction number will drift upwards in the coming weeks.

Strange?

Its not strange. its idiotic.

"hey - you lot not following restrictions? terrible. we will introduce even more restrictions for you not to follow!"

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:41PM

Arghus wrote: »

One is a potential future problem, the other is an immediate definite problem.

So basically we arent dealing with any problems we are just delaying them.

Arghus what healthcare system can 20 and 30 year olds expect when they reach 65? Better or worse than we currently have?

I am just not so sure we got a good deal here...

ceadaoin. · 28-01-2021 05:42PM

Arghus wrote: »

Saying that compliance becomes harder and harder as time goes on isn't the same as saying "lockdowns don't work"

That interpretation of the meaning of his words is bizarre.

Compliance is needed for the lockdowns to work. Compliance drops therefore the lockdowns stop working. There is no way around this, humans are not automatons. Maybe in theory lockdowns work, in practice not so much. That's why the WHO only advise using them as a last resort and not as the primary means of control. Look at the unrest bubbling up all over europe. Thats what happens when you try to suppress and control human nature.

Silentcorner · 28-01-2021 05:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Multiple international serology are converging at around 0.6%. In areas that have already seen > 0.2% of the population die, cases are still surging, indicating that any slowdown due to immunity has not kicked in. Starting to show up in Israel where vaccinations are making the difference

Ok, thanks for the hint of where you are getting the numbers.

Given we haven't a clue how many people have been infected with covid in this country, I'd be interested to hear how they have managed to accurately count the number of infections in every other country?

Because if we don't know how many people have been infected, then every other number is bogus....which makes the projections bogus...you know the projections that are driving Government policy.

SAMTALK · 28-01-2021 05:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It kind of is though...

They expect compliance to drop and cases to rise so.. more lockdown.

You really twisted his words to suit yourself didnt you

Compliance getting harder is in no way saying lockdowns dont work

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:44PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Compliance is needed for the lockdowns to work. Compliance drops therefore the lockdowns stop working. There is no way around this, humans are not automatons. Maybe in theory lockdowns work, in practice not so much. That's why the WHO only advise using them as a last resort and not as the primary means of control. Look at the unrest bubbling up all over europe. Thats what happens when you try to suppress and control human nature.

Damn.

Thats a brilliant post.

Post of the day.

Lundstram · 28-01-2021 05:48PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

This seems to be the "science" they keep on about.

Someone makes an outrageous projection and convinces authorities to lockdown, when the projections don't materialise, hey bingo, it's the science folks!!!

Of course you have to ignore all the parts of the world that didn't lock down but that part is easy!!!

And of those 2M deaths worldwide, the vast majority died with the virus not because of it. That’s per WHO.

The hysteria continues, however. Facts seem to be an afterthought.

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