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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #9392
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Any chatter today about when construction may reopen?


  • #9393
    JoChervil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Those 2 charts show a massive difference between the 2 :confused:
    One shows Israel dropping from a high of ~90 down to 60 (33% drop)
    The other a drop from 1000 to a little over 800 (20% drop)
    Israel's own hub shows the 7 day average drop from 8326 to 7074... What I am not seeing?
    7day.jpg

    I think you are confusing new cases with active cases. 2 days ago Israel had around 615 new cases


  • #9394
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Thanks.

    So what’s to stop us doing what some countries are doing and buy a few extra ones ourselves? Isn’t the Oxford one cheap enough? Why can’t we buy a million or something? What is the cost of speeding things up to open economy? Perhaps it’s not that simple but it’s clear some countries are spending more to speed it up (like Germany)

    We could go out and look to place an order with someone but it won't be delivered until after the EU orders have been completed, so what's the point ? Nothing speeds up because we'll have more than enough in the deals already done.

    Germany is constantly raised here but they've already said they get nothing extra until the EU order is completed. That'll be much later this year.


  • #9395
    Eivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    titan18 wrote: »
    Mask wearing in a bar or restaurant didn't happen anyway tbf, and I've seen plenty of places where the 6 to a table or social distancing wasnt adhered to or enforced.

    How did you see them?


  • #9396
    JoChervil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    While they had almost 8000 active cases by 100000


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  • #9397
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    We could go out and look to place an order with someone but it won't be delivered until after the EU orders have been completed, so what's the point ?

    Germany is constantly raised here but they've already said they get nothing extra until the EU order is completed.

    But the EU hasn’t ordered any Oxford vaccine. Is it basically because any order placed now on any vaccine just goes into a que and you are back of the pile?


  • #9398
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Thanks.

    So what’s to stop us doing what some countries are doing and buy a few extra ones ourselves? Isn’t the Oxford one cheap enough? Why can’t we buy a million or something? What is the cost of speeding things up to open economy? Perhaps it’s not that simple but it’s clear some countries are spending more to speed it up (like Germany)

    Germany bought extra vaccines, which will be delivered after all the negotiated eu ones are delivered.

    How do you think we would fare competing against Germany, France etc for limited vaccines?


  • #9399
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Drumpot wrote: »
    But the EU hasn’t ordered any Oxford vaccine. Is it basically because any order placed now on any vaccine just goes into a que and you are back of the pile?

    The EU hasn't ordered any Oxford vaccine ?? There's an order for 400 million in
    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_1438


  • #9400
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Drumpot wrote: »
    But the EU hasn’t ordered any Oxford vaccine. Is it basically because any order placed now on any vaccine just goes into a que and you are back of the pile?

    What? Eu has pre-ordered 8 vaccines, of which the Oxford vaccines is one and should be approved this week, with delivery marked for mid Feb.

    All this info is freely available.


  • #9401
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Basic mitigation is mask wearing, social distancing and hygiene measures.

    So you don’t have any evidence of responsible businesses causing super spreading events

    The basic mitigation measures reduce risk. They don't eliminate it entirely. Masks, social distancing, hand washing in an enclosured environment is still risky.

    I can't name businesses no. (Just like I can't name individuals). There are however numerous examples both in Ireland and globally of such events that have been published.


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  • #9402
    JoChervil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Germany bought extra vaccines, which will be delivered after all the negotiated eu ones are delivered.

    How do you think we would fare competing against Germany, France etc for limited vaccines?

    As far as I know Germany got their vaccine from inside negotiated whole amount for Europe. For example Poland bought only half of numbers from Pheizer, which we could have bought as well as we ordered vaccines only from 5 producers, not six. So other country were free to buy those vaccines, which Poland didn't buy or order


  • #9403
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The EU hasn't ordered any Oxford vaccine ?? There's an order for 400 million in
    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_1438

    Ah sorry, it’s that it hasn’t been approved for use in EU yet, I was getting it mixed up. Do you know why the EU has delayed approvement?


  • #9404
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Ah sorry, it’s that it hasn’t been approved for use in EU yet, I was getting it mixed up. Do you know why the EU has delayed approvement?

    They haven't delayed approvement. The application for approval was late.


  • #9405
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,402 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    JoChervil wrote: »
    I think you are confusing new cases with active cases. 2 days ago Israel had around 615 new cases

    None of those charts are active cases. I can't see where Israel 2 days ago reported only 615 new cases. Have you a link? I'm not saying you're wrong, just trying to wrap my head around the differences in charts.


  • #9406
    JoChervil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Ah sorry, it’s that it hasn’t been approved for use in EU yet, I was getting it mixed up. Do you know why the EU has delayed approvement?

    I don't think EU delayed approvement. Astra Zeneca delayed submitting documents for approval. Maybe to supply them first to UK?


  • #9407
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Ah sorry, it’s that it hasn’t been approved for use in EU yet, I was getting it mixed up. Do you know why the EU has delayed approvement?

    EU don't approve. AZ were late with their application to the EMA. EMA are independent for a reason.

    There is also a whole side story here as to how sloshed the original AZ trial data was. Which is why Pfizer and Moderna have been approved quicker everywhere.


  • #9408
    JoChervil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    None of those charts are active cases. I can't see where Israel 2 days ago reported only 615 new cases. Have you a link? I'm not saying you're wrong, just trying to wrap my head around the differences in charts.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

    For 22nd it was exactly 6,159 per million, so 616 per 100000


  • #9409
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,402 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    JoChervil wrote: »
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

    For 22nd it was exactly 6,159 per million, so 616 per 100000

    I thought you meant new cases (not per 100k)
    My point is there's 3 tables showing decreases in cases in Israel over 7 days:
    30% / 20% / 15%
    That's what I cant wrap my brain around. Either 7 day new cases absolute/per 100k / per mil etc.... they should all show the same %
    The FT one going around twitter shows a 30% drop in 2 days and people are assuming it's correct and it's down to the vaccine rollout.


  • #9410
    JoChervil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I thought you meant new cases (not per 100k)
    My point is there's 3 tables showing decreases in cases in Israel over 7 days:
    30% / 20% / 15%
    That's what I cant wrap my brain around. Either 7 day new cases absolute/per 100k / per mil etc.... they should all show the same %
    The FT one going around twitter shows a 30% drop in 2 days and people are assuming it's correct and it's down to the vaccine rollout.

    Oops my fault. It was me who confused numbers, sorry


  • #9411
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    BredonWimsey wrote: »
    well what do you mean by responsible business


    you have businesses that may not be responsible


    its an oxymoran


    check out what happened in bellmullet

    What happened in belmullet ?


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  • #9412
    [Deleted User]
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    Purple Papillon wrote: »
    The lockdown restrictions is not great or ideal but its what you make of it. The weather is OK, cold but dry for the most part. It's great to see so many people and families out walking. I remember the day I finished a long week in work just to rush to a pub on Friday night, suffer with a hangover Saturday, then come Sunday the weekend is almost gone and the Sunday evening fear sets in. The weekend is now more relaxed and I have more energy come Monday morning.

    I would get the train to Galway on a Saturday just to have a wander around or I'd stay put and go to my local farmers market. Saturday night we'd go for a few drinks and something to eat. On Sunday I might visit my friend and her kids. Maybe we would all go to the cinema that evening.

    It feels like the endless possibilities in my life have stopped. There is no choice to do anything but go for a walk or stay at home. That's very bleak.

    We all have such different experiences of this pandemic and a lot is dependent on how much has changed for us.


  • #9413
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The EU hasn't ordered any Oxford vaccine ?? There's an order for 400 million in
    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_1438

    I admire your patience, it is like the online equivalent of Sunday drivers here today.


  • #9414
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,844 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    How did a remote Mayo town become Ireland’s most Covid-infected place?
    How one of the most remote parts of Ireland became the most Covid-infected place in the entire country is unclear. Locally, people and healthcare professionals cite three probable infection drivers, all relating to people letting their guard down compared to how they reacted during the initial Covid surge in March and April 2020.

    The first was the All-Ireland GAA football final on December 19th when, amid excitement and hopeful anticipation that 2020 might be Mayo’s year, people gathered in each other’s homes, in food-serving bars and hotels to watch the match.


  • #9415
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/please-take-vitamin-d-to-protect-against-covid-19-say-irish-experts-1069537.html


    Another doctor recommending Vit D


  • #9416
    BredonWimsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭BredonWimsey


    ek motor wrote: »
    What happened in belmullet ?


    they are riddled with it - highest rate in the country. there was an article on it giving some causes


  • #9417
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,620 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Has there been any word on the J&J vaccine?


  • #9418
    Idiot boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Idiot boy


    marno21 wrote: »
    Any chatter today about when construction may reopen?
    Did it ever really stop...?


  • #9419
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Idiot boy wrote: »
    Did it ever really stop...?
    As far as I can tell most construction companies have just declared themselves essential. A relative of mine signed up for the PUP after the kitchen company he works at closed due to the restrictions, just as they had during the first wave last March/April. Then on Thursday of their first week closed he got a text from his boss saying to go back to work the following Monday as no other kitchen companies were closed, and the building sites they served were still working.


  • #9420
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Eivor wrote: »
    How did you see them?

    They're stupid enough to post it on Instagram


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  • #9421
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Idiot boy wrote: »
    Did it ever really stop...?

    Bunch of lads in knocking down walls in a small retail unit across the street from us yesterday, all day on top of each other going in and out of the place. Unless this ex architects office is being turned into a pop-up ICU I don't think they were doing anything essential, but I suspect they didn't care. Neither did I to be honest, apart from the noise.


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