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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #9332
    BredonWimsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭BredonWimsey


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Ask all those who have had relatives die of covid if this is living or not?




    EMPATHY - you have no idea what this poster is dealing with. STOP raging against each other please.


  • #9333
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Ask all those who have had relatives die of covid if this is living or not?

    Wft are you on about?


  • #9334
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Screen-Shot-2021-01-24-at-13-23-11.png

    Cases in Israel plummeting.

    Between their lockdown and the proportion of the population vaccinated this had to happen. Thankfully it is.


  • #9335
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,842 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Beyond sick of this now.

    This is not living.

    Surviving isn’t living


  • #9336
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Between their lockdown and the proportion of the population vaccinated this had to happen. Thankfully it is.

    I thought that vaccine didn't stop people testing positive/contracting the virus though, just stopped any severe symptoms? So you might expect deaths to drop in that manner in Israel but why has this happened with cases in israel?


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  • #9337
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,028 ✭✭✭jackboy


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Screen-Shot-2021-01-24-at-13-23-11.png

    Cases in Israel plummeting.

    That’s a lovely looking trend. Almost like exponential shrinkage.


  • #9338
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Screen-Shot-2021-01-24-at-13-23-11.png

    Cases in Israel plummeting.

    Should give alot of us hope here. Bring in mandatory quarantine, drive cases low and vaccinate the vulnerable as quickly as possible and we should be in a very good position.


  • #9339
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    jackboy wrote: »
    That’s a lovely looking trend. Almost like exponential shrinkage.


    How did you kn.. never mind:o


  • #9340
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Screen-Shot-2021-01-24-at-13-23-11.png

    Cases in Israel plummeting.

    It would be interesting to see Irelands numbers on that graph


  • #9341
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    mohawk wrote: »
    I noticed that trend too. I am very lucky to be able to work from home in an industry that is Covid proof. However it’s not that many years ago that I was desperately struggling trying to get by to support myself and my child. Many people in my community are not as lucky. I have spent many sleepless nights wide awake because of the stress and worry of not being financially secure. I can’t forget those days and I can’t forget that there are thousands of people out there struggling to get by. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

    No matter what happens in life it’s always the poor that carry the biggest burden. Everything hits the poor harder.

    That's why we need good social welfare system. Those who are not privileged by birth would benefit.


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  • #9342
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    I thought that vaccine didn't stop people testing positive/contracting the virus though, just stopped any severe symptoms? So you might expect deaths to drop in that manner in Israel but why has this happened with cases in israel?

    2 things.

    1. It stops symptoms rather than severe symptoms so there is probably a chunk of asymptomatic cases being missed in Israel at the moment.
    2. The trial for the vaccine didn't include whether the vaccine impacted your ability to pass on the virus. Data from Israel is suggesting that a person vaccinated with a single shot (10 days after vaccination) is somewhere between (off the top of my head) 38 and 53% less likely to transmit the virus than someone unvaccinated. They have enough people vaccinated by now for this to have a noticeable effect.


  • #9343
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Surviving isn’t living

    Sometimes that's what you do when you live in a society and owe social responsibility.


  • #9344
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    It would be interesting to see Irelands numbers on that graph

    There you go. Falling faster than anywhere else at the moment, even Israel.


  • #9345
    BredonWimsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭BredonWimsey


    Renjit wrote: »
    Sometimes that's what you do when you live in a society and owe social responsibility.


    there is definitely a social responsibility but there is also an individual burden. so if someone is expressing a hardship with their individual burden I think a good way to deal with that situation is to say I am sorry you are dealing with that rather than saying something along the lines of well thats the way it is.


  • #9346
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Why would you word it like that, that people just want their jobs back and don't care who dies. Your proving the exact point we are making about how we are not in this together.

    Not sure why you would reword my comment like that.

    My comment was that if someone is out of work and struggles to feed their kids they want to be back to work so they can feed their kids. They won't care about the deaths of anonymous strangers.

    You took out the reference to someone struggling to feed their kids when rewording my comment in order to condemn my post.

    Not sure why you would do that.


  • #9347
    Qwertyminger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Qwertyminger


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    There you go. Falling faster than anywhere else at the moment, even Israel.
    That's great, what site is that?


  • #9348
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Qwertyminger wrote: »
    That's great, what site is that?

    This one:

    https://www.ourworldindata.org/


  • #9349
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    There you go. Falling faster than anywhere else at the moment, even Israel.

    God, size of the curve! Scary to think how high it would have gotten without lockdown. If anywhere in the world shows how effective lockdowns can work with high compliance it's probably Ireland.


  • #9350
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    2 things.

    1. It stops symptoms rather than severe symptoms so there is probably a chunk of asymptomatic cases being missed in Israel at the moment.
    2. The trial for the vaccine didn't include whether the vaccine impacted your ability to pass on the virus. Data from Israel is suggesting that a person vaccinated with a single shot (10 days after vaccination) is somewhere between (off the top of my head) 38 and 53% less likely to transmit the virus than someone unvaccinated. They have enough people vaccinated by now for this to have a noticeable effect.

    More importantly than any of this, the vaccine reduces your chance of contracting the virus by about 90%....


  • #9351
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Not sure why you would reword my comment like that.

    My comment was that if someone is out of work and struggles to feed their kids they want to be back to work so they can feed their kids. They won't care about the deaths of anonymous strangers.

    You took out the reference to someone struggling to feed their kids when rewording my comment in order to condemn my post.

    Not sure why you would do that.

    I didn't reword your comments, you said who cares in your comment. It came across a bit shirty.


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  • #9352
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    God, size of the curve! Scary to think how high it would have gotten without lockdown. If anywhere in the world shows how effective lockdowns can work with high compliance it's probably Ireland.

    It also shows how having longer lockdowns than other country actually drives numbers up when restrictions are loosened.


  • #9353
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,772 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It also shows how having longer lockdowns than other country actually drives numbers up when restrictions are loosened.

    I don't think it does.
    If it wasn't Christmas I've a feeling that spike wouldn't look like that.


  • #9354
    ArthurDayne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    God, size of the curve! Scary to think how high it would have gotten without lockdown. If anywhere in the world shows how effective lockdowns can work with high compliance it's probably Ireland.

    Seems slightly myopic not to even minimally acknowledge the fact that Christmas is a particularly sociable time of year where people tend to gather in family homes etc — and that tends to change fairly drastically in January when the holidays are over.

    Lockdown probably did have an effect on the decline in numbers, but attributing it solely to lockdown seems to utterly ignore how society actually behaves during and then after Christmas.


  • #9355
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It also shows how having longer lockdowns than other country actually drives numbers up when restrictions are loosened.

    No it doesn't. Not even close.

    You don't even have any data in that graph to make such inferences.


  • #9356
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Turtwig wrote: »
    No it doesn't. Not even close.

    You don't even have any data in that graph to make such inferences.

    We had the longest restrictions in the world and when the restrictions were loosened we went from the best in Europe to one of the worst in the world. The same thing happened in October to a lower scale.


  • #9357
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    niallo27 wrote: »
    We had the longest restrictions in the world and when the restrictions were loosened we went from the best in Europe to one of the worst in the world. The same thing happened in October to a lower scale.

    We were the best at a time where we proactively locked down before everywhere else got in the sh1tter but didn't see the job through.
    We were worst at a time all other countries had significant restrictions in place suppressing their case numbers. We lifted restrictions too soon, cases were above the critical point and the infection soared.

    Regardless, none of this can be inferred from the graph.


  • #9358
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    Lot of people losing the will to live slowly.

    As many have said, this isn't living it's simply existing. I've been extremely despondent myself lately and really and truly struggling to see any hope even with the vaccine.

    In my wider social circle, there's a large enough cohort who have no intention of taking it because they feel like they don't need it. People seriously need to be educated on how it's not just to protect you but to protect everyone else.

    I have very little patience for other people anymore, this last twelve months has truly exposed the worst elements of humanity. A lot of people in my social circle I have lost all respect for with their attitude towards this pandemic.


  • #9359
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    the argument that january was so bad cause we were too tough on people in 2020 is just dumb.


  • #9360
    Kalyke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Screen-Shot-2021-01-24-at-13-23-11.png

    Cases in Israel plummeting.
    That graph looks unnaturally straight for Israel?


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  • #9361
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Turtwig wrote: »
    We were the best at a time where we proactively locked down before everywhere else got in the sh1tter but didn't see the job through.
    We were worst at a time all other countries had significant restrictions in place suppressing their case numbers. We lifted restrictions too soon, cases were above the critical point and the infection soared.

    Regardless, none of this can be inferred from the graph.

    What is the critical point of cases, so you really don't think having the longest restrictions in the world had any impact on how people acted at Christmas, not even a slight impact.


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