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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #9242
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,300 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    You do realise once the all but the last tier get vaccinated, there will be no "pussy footing" about. It's the at risk who get vaccinated first, the later tiers are less at risk, so them being suicidal and wanting to get themselves infected.... well, that's more a personal mental health issue than a national health issue.

    Is there some trend where people are committing suicide because they can't get vaccinated safety quickly, but feel if they get infected by a lethal virus...... that's ok? Again they may need some help, but the vaccine wont help what ails them.


    The virus is so dangerous it might have killed 0.01% of our population when we hit the anniversary of the first case in March 2021.


  • #9243
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,208 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    The virus is so dangerous it might have killed 0.01% of our population when we hit the anniversary of the first case in March 2021.

    Our Covid deaths are at over 2500 so it's already 0.05% which is 5 times what you predict. Do people really not know how percentages work. Anyway, that is with us having over 10 months worth of restrictions and a good chunk of that being pretty extreme with most businesses closed and people not even visiting their friends and family. Deaths would have been a lot higher if we had just continued on as normal.


  • #9244
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    NIMAN wrote: »
    You have to remember that the majority of the population is doing the right thing and haven't caught the virus.

    Just to highlight that some of the population doing the 'right thing' has caught the virus. Not all people who caught the virus were doing the 'wrong thing'.


  • #9245
    2012paddy2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭2012paddy2012


    Can you buy a reliable set of hone test kits in Ireland ? Reliable / where ?
    Thks


  • #9246
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Awful awful situation in the hospitals now. God love them all.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0124/1191685-coronavirus-cases-vaccine/


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  • #9247
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Van-Tam in the UK encouraging people to keep to the rules until they get way down the line on vaccinations. Applying this argument to our own situation that could mean September or later.
    Professor Jonathan Van-Tam said that if those who have been vaccinated begin easing off because they are protected, they are potentially putting at risk those further down the priority list who still need inoculation.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40213079.html


  • #9248
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭jackboy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Van-Tam in the UK encouraging people to keep to the rules until they get way down the line on vaccinations. Applying this argument to our own situation that could mean September or later.



    https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40213079.html

    Yeah there are strong hints from government now that it may be level 5 until at least June.

    There will be massive pressure to open sooner so come March I think there will be a lot of strife.


  • #9249
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jackboy wrote: »
    Yeah there are strong hints from government now that it may be level 5 until at least June.

    There will be massive pressure to open sooner so come March I think there will be a lot of strife.
    I think we'll be looking at some type of Level 5 lite from March and assuming cases go down enough schools will be back, in some part. We may even be at Level 3 from April. Oddly enough I think we need to look to Israel to help manage that. Their post-vaccination data will be crucial to every other country being able to signal a way out.


  • #9250
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    jackboy wrote: »
    Yeah there are strong hints from government now that it may be level 5 until at least June.

    There will be massive pressure to open sooner so come March I think there will be a lot of strife.

    They won't have compliance if they contuine current level 5 till June. Absolutely there will be restrictions but not the same level we have now.


  • #9251
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,086 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Awful awful situation in the hospitals now. God love them all.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0124/1191685-coronavirus-cases-vaccine/

    And still some gombeens will insist the hospitals are empty.


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  • #9252
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    prunudo wrote: »
    They won't have compliance if they contuine current level 5 till June. Absolutely there will be restrictions but not the same level we have now.

    Just on this and not having a go at you prunudo,but I am hearing a lot and reading about how their won't be compliance if restrictions remain. But if gyms,cinemas,tourist attractions,restaurants,retail,pubs are closed then people will have no choice but to comply. Yes there might be more household mixing and house parties,but we have been hearing about this since day one so no real difference then.


  • #9253
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    pjohnson wrote: »
    And still some gombeens will insist the hospitals are empty.

    Empty of normal patients waiting on regularly procedures.


  • #9254
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭jackboy


    prunudo wrote: »
    They won't have compliance if they contuine current level 5 till June. Absolutely there will be restrictions but not the same level we have now.

    Problem is there will be a massive spike again if we ease up. It will be all about enforcement.


  • #9255
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,086 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Just on this and not having a go at you prunudo,but I am hearing a lot and reading about how their won't be compliance if restrictions remain. But if gyms,cinemas,tourist attractions,restaurants,retail,pubs are closed then people will have no choice but to comply. Yes there might be more household mixing and house parties,but we have been hearing about this since day one so no real difference then.
    Exactly.

    A few pubs "bravely" tried a solo run but got rapidly shut down, and whatever reputation they had shot to bits. Same with that gym that tried it for a few hours.


  • #9256
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Just on this and not having a go at you prunudo,but I am hearing a lot and reading about how their won't be compliance if restrictions remain. But if gyms,cinemas,tourist attractions,restaurants,retail,pubs are closed then people will have no choice but to comply. Yes there might be more household mixing and house parties,but we have been hearing about this since day one so no real difference then.

    Yes, lack of compliance on the household mixing will be the problem, we're only 3 weeks into this current lockdown and people are already weary and fed up. But also there becomes a time when €350 pup payments don't cut it anymore and people will start trying to go back to work to make ends meet.


  • #9257
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    prunudo wrote: »
    Yes, lack of compliance on the household mixing will be the problem, we'reonly 3 weeks into this current lockdown and people are already weary and fed up. But also there becomes a time when €350 pup payments don't cut it anymore and people will start trying to go back to work to make ends meet.

    But how will they try and get back to work if nothing is allowed open,a good few were saying last summer that the €350 payment couldn't continue into the Autumn because we couldn't afford it,yet here we are and it looks like it will last at least for the first 6 months of this year and prob longer


  • #9258
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    jackboy wrote: »
    Problem is there will be a massive spike again if we ease up. It will be all about enforcement.

    June is 4 and a bit months away, level 5 means construction, retail and schools closed, no household visits till then. That won't happen.
    There will be a light easing of restrictions next month. We can't keep the country locked up for half the year to the level you're suggesting.


  • #9259
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Appreciated. You note I said “not NECESSARILY” eejits, implying that I know that some funeral goers are. But to label as an eejit everyone who seeks solace in a relative’s arms at that time, especially if unexpectedly painful or sudden, smacks to me of such a deep, almost sociopathic, disregard of what it means to be human

    (I mean the other poster who replied back to me, not you)

    Would it be possible for the close group of family who wish to hug and support each other over the funeral days to pay to have tests before they congregate? That way they can be close with a clear conscience. It is not uncommon that people die from covid caught at wakes or funerals.


  • #9260
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭jackboy


    prunudo wrote: »
    June is 4 and a bit months away, level 5 means construction, retail and schools closed, no household visits till then. That won't happen.
    There will be a light easing of restrictions next month. We can't keep the country locked up for half the year to the level you're suggesting.

    We have no choice. With the new variants level 3 may not work anymore. We have destroyed the economy for almost a year now. We can certainly do it for another six months.


  • #9261
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I have done that strategy very successfully right up to yesterday. I think this feeling is very natural, they say don't battle with it. I find occasionally with episodes like this it's actually better to "wallow" in it for a few days or so. It's like nature forcing you to hibernate as a defence mechanism and some people think it's got to get "cured". I think I'll go with it, that has worked in the past even if it seems like giving in. Trying to defeat it can too I've over the edge, because it's like you are failing in a battle of morale and self-appreciation. One is not, it's like any "sickness behaviour", curl up and and ride it out.

    I just bought a big load of wool and downloaded a complicated knitting pattern for a fabulous looking long cardigan - maybe a big project might help you?


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  • #9262
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    jackboy wrote: »
    We have no choice. With the new variants level 3 may not work anymore. We have destroyed the economy for almost a year now. We can certainly do it for another six months.

    As a matter of interest are you still working away, whether that be working from home or within guidelines.


  • #9263
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    prunudo wrote: »
    As a matter of interest are you still working away, whether that be working from home or within guidelines.

    If they are I presume you are going to use that to denigrate their opinion?


  • #9264
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    petes wrote: »
    If they are I presume you are going to use that to denigrate their opinion?

    It has a bearing on how you view this whole situation yes. If you're looking at 4-5 months more out of work, with the prospect of you loosing your house, buisness and everything you've worked hard for you will have a different view.
    Schools, retail and construction all contuined to open in October when cases hit 1,300 and then proceeded to drop. So staying in this current level of restrictions is a drastic measure.


  • #9265
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭jackboy


    prunudo wrote: »
    As a matter of interest are you still working away, whether that be working from home or within guidelines.

    Yes, which of course means the pandemic has little effect on me. We have tried reducing restrictions before though and it didn’t work. All our eggs are in the vaccine basket.

    Before enough are vaccinated we probably can only open up for a reasonable length of time if we get the numbers very low first.


  • #9266
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jackboy wrote: »
    Yes, which of course means the pandemic has little effect on me. We have tried reducing restrictions before though and it didn’t work. All our eggs are in the vaccine basket.

    Before enough are vaccinated we probably can only open up for a reasonable length of time if we get the numbers very low first.
    What other baskets are there? It was always the end goal for a novel coronavirus.


  • #9267
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭jackboy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    What other baskets are there? It was always the end goal for a novel coronavirus.

    Do you remember the governments living with Covid plan.


  • #9268
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jackboy wrote: »
    Do you remember the governments living with Covid plan.
    We'll still be doing that but it doesn't drive out the virus so back to my question. What is your realistic alternative to vaccines?


  • #9269
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    jackboy wrote: »
    Do you remember the governments living with Covid plan.

    Surely they go hand in hand, even when the majority of us are vaccinated we will still be living with covid. At some point in the next while once frontline workers and vulnerable are vaccinated we have to stop looking at daily cases as a metric of what level of restriction we should be in.


  • #9270
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    petes wrote: »
    If they are I presume you are going to use that to denigrate their opinion?

    Just a general comment on this. I've found it really strange how often some posters have assumed others aren't on PUP or wage subsidies due to the content of their post.


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  • #9271
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭jackboy


    prunudo wrote: »
    Surely they go hand in hand, even when the majority of us are vaccinated we will still be living with covid. At some point in the next while once frontline workers and vulnerable are vaccinated we have to stop looking at daily cases as a metric of what level of restriction we should be in.

    The government thought we could live with covid without extreme restrictions before vaccines using the 5 levels system. As far as I remember that plan lasted about one week.

    Vaccinating the frontline workers and vulnerable is not enough to stop the hospitals being overran. We will still have to keep cases below a certain, higher, level.


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