Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

walus · 23-01-2021 09:43PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Speaking from my own experience only, my son only has an hour long Zoom class a day and does schoolwork on google classroom, so yes I can say he’s still going to school and his school can say “yeah we’re working away” but to suggest that it’s anything remotely compared to going to school is just wrong!

He’s doing his best as is his teacher and all the staff in the school, but I’m the one who observes him both in and out of school and I can categorically say he’s losing out a lot on his education! I know many schools are operating differently, and he have teachers on this thread who may agree or say that this is the experience in their school, I’m not saying anyone’s wrong, just this is what I see with my own child

My own experience is that there is no live or online engagement with the teacher whatsoever. I’ve three kids under 9 and for two of them we requested to have video calls. In response she said that we needed to send her an email to which she will prepare a video for the girls to watch later.
So it is 3h every day to get this all done with them. Luckily we have 3 electronic devices that we can use to support this home schooling. So for me, no this is far from what I expected ffs.

I can only imagine that there are homes with parents who either cannot or don’t want to do all that with their kids. Those kids are going to lose out the most relative to others, and so disparity in advancement when they all come back to school will be huge.

emeldc · 23-01-2021 09:57PM

walus wrote: »

My own experience is that there is no live or online engagement with the teacher whatsoever. I’ve three kids under 9 and for two of them we requested to have video calls. In response she said that we needed to send her an email to which she will prepare a video for the girls to watch later.
So it is 3h every day to get this all done with them. Luckily we have 3 electronic devices that we can use to support this home schooling. So for me, no this is far from what I expected ffs.

I can only imagine that there are homes with parents who either cannot or don’t want to do all that with their kids. Those kids are going to lose out the most relative to others, and so disparity in advancement when they all come back to school will be huge.

Individual video calls?
How many kids are in the class?

GazzaL · 23-01-2021 10:02PM

Distance learning for children, especially when it's being done in such an unstructured way as it is in Ireland, is complete and utter nonsense. The children are not receiving a proper education, both academically and socially.

Some people think you can do everything with technology. It doesn't work like that in reality.

acequion · 23-01-2021 10:04PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Is there any reason to jump down my neck and accuse me of teacher bashing ? At no stage did I teacher bash or blame them for what Covid has caused ? A few posters who posted far more inflammatory posts but you chose to jump on mine .,If there is one thing that annoys me is being accused in the wrong .

I was giving my opinion to a poster who said they were being educated . My point was to THAT poster that they are missing out on a lot more than simple maths etc

The kids are missing out this year big time so if numbers were controlled and postive cases down in July I personally think it would be worth considering bringing them in in July if only for summer camps or something on that line

No need to be so touchy. You were posting as if you hadn't read the experiences of real teachers on the ground. And if you go back and read my original post in answer to jackdaniel and my last post to you you will see that I was quite specific as to why kids will miss out this year [but not big time, let's not calamitise] whether the education is in school or online. But the poster who said that they are being educated is correct. They are being educated, not as well as in normal times but what do you expect in a pandemic!

And no I didn't suggest you were blaming teachers for what Covid had caused. What an absurdity!

Lundstram · 23-01-2021 10:05PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Distance learning for children, especially when it's being done in such an unstructured way as it is in Ireland, is complete and utter nonsense. The children are not receiving a proper education, both academically and socially.

Some people think you can do everything with technology. It doesn't work like that in reality.

It's detrimental to their social development. Same with tens of thousands of college students.

But hey, it's grand as long as the teachers keep getting paid.

acequion · 23-01-2021 10:11PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Distance learning for children, especially when it's being done in such an unstructured way as it is in Ireland, is complete and utter nonsense. The children are not receiving a proper education, both academically and socially.

Some people think you can do everything with technology. It doesn't work like that in reality.

Utterly and totally wrong!

In secondary schools the timetables are being followed in a structured, disciplined manner every day, Mon-Fri and children are being taught exactly as they would if they were at school. Youngsters are in fact very comfortable with this medium.

I'm not going to bother repeating everything I already said in other posts and backed up by another teacher and parents. You seem to have to decided we're all useless and we're all doing nothing. Off you go!

But expect people to pick you up on your completely incorrect remarks.

iamwhoiam · 23-01-2021 10:12PM

acequion wrote: »

No need to be so touchy. You were posting as if you hadn't read the experiences of real teachers on the ground. And if you go back and read my original post in answer to jackdaniel and my last post to you you will see that I was quite specific as to why kids will miss out this year [but not big time, let's not calamitise] whether the education is in school or online. But the poster who said that they are being educated is correct. They are being educated, not as well as in normal times but what do you expect in a pandemic!

And no I didn't suggest you were blaming teachers for what Covid had caused. What an absurdity!

And you had no need to be so snappy

Lundstram · 23-01-2021 10:14PM

acequion wrote: »

Utterly and totally wrong!

In secondary schools the timetables are being followed in a structured, disciplined manner every day, Mon-Fri and children are being taught exactly as they would if they were at school. Youngsters are in fact very comfortable with this medium.

I'm not going to bother repeating everything I already said in other posts and backed up by another teacher and parents. You seem to have to decided we're all useless and we're all doing nothing. Off you go!

But expect people to pick you up on your completely incorrect remarks.

Will you stop with this nonsense. No, they are not and nowhere close to it. If this is the case, why haven't we be doing it for the last 20 years? Why do schools even exist?

Utter nonsense.

Johnmurphy321 · 23-01-2021 10:17PM

Are you allowed buy dogs outside your 5k? Or rescue even?

Necro · 23-01-2021 10:17PM

Mod:

Can we move on from the teacher discussion, there is a schools thread for that topic.

acequion · 23-01-2021 10:18PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

And you had no need to be so snappy

Fair enough. But see it from my point. I'm doing my work as best I possibly can, working longer hours than I would if I were in school because everything takes longer online but I'm not complaining about that. But I certainly expect to be paid for services rendered like every other worker.

So I do get a tad peed off when I read posts like the string of recent ones which are basically teacher bashing and which are also completely incorrect. And anyway is this not totally derailing the thread! There is another thread where posters can discuss and debate education issues.

iamwhoiam · 23-01-2021 10:21PM

There is absolutely no doubt that some children are missing out . Not every child had a supportive helpful parent to sit with them and guide them . Not every child has a stable home life and many are caring for younger children . Children are living in a home with a sibling with special needs who is taking up a huge portion of a parents time leaving little time for home schooling
Not every child has a device to learn on or indeed workable broadband
In an ideal world it might work for the majority but its not an ideal world for many children and we all know that

GazzaL · 23-01-2021 10:22PM

acequion wrote: »

Utterly and totally wrong!

In secondary schools the timetables are being followed in a structured, disciplined manner every day, Mon-Fri and children are being taught exactly as they would if they were at school. Youngsters are in fact very comfortable with this medium.

I'm not going to bother repeating everything I already said in other posts and backed up by another teacher and parents. You seem to have to decided we're all useless and we're all doing nothing. Off you go!

But expect people to pick you up on your completely incorrect remarks.

Apologies to the mod, but just to pick up on this point - I'm not having a go at all teachers, but distance learning for children is not good enough, and the importance of in-person interaction is grossly underestimated by many people (and that applies to business as well as schools).

iamwhoiam · 23-01-2021 10:25PM

acequion wrote: »

Fair enough. But see it from my point. I'm doing my work as best I possibly can, working longer hours than I would if I were in school because everything takes longer online but I'm not complaining about that. But I certainly expect to be paid for services rendered like every other worker.

So I do get a tad peed off when I read posts like the string of recent ones which are basically teacher bashing and which are also completely incorrect. And anyway is this not totally derailing the thread! There is another thread where posters can discuss and debate education issues.

I understand that you and many others are doing their best . I have many teachers in my family who are testimony to this
But there is no doubt and we both know it that there are huge disadvantages to remote learning for many children
It is sad to think that the line between them and their peers will become a chasm the longer this goes on

acequion · 23-01-2021 10:27PM

I'm not replying to the above posts because I'm already on a warning and anyway I agree that this is derailing the thread.

But in conclusion I will say that I find it very interesting how so many people think they know what my job entails better than I do. :rolleyes:

pjohnson · 23-01-2021 10:36PM

acequion wrote: »

I'm not replying to the above posts because I'm already on a warning and anyway I agree that this is derailing the thread.

But in conclusion I will say that I find it very interesting how so many people think they know what my job entails better than I do. :rolleyes:

Not continuing specifically on teachers but on the bolded part and that attitude.

I mean you have people here thinking that hospitals are totally empty and that those working in the hospitals saying they are at capacity are wrong, so how can you be surprised that they ALSO know better than you (a teacher) about what you do each day. Facts have no place in the doom.

You had to see that coming.

FintanMcluskey · 23-01-2021 10:40PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40212884.html%3ftype=amp

Ireland's strict Covid-19 restrictions could remain in place for the first half of the year, the Taoiseach has said.

Similar to last year it seems

Dickie10 · 23-01-2021 10:53PM

Maybe they will use level 4-5 from now on in winter when things get busy in hospitals , just close pubs for 6 weeks.

FintanMcluskey · 23-01-2021 10:58PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

Maybe they will use level 4-5 from now on in winter when things get busy in hospitals , just close pubs for 6 weeks.

Been thinking this.

The template is there to do it each respiratory illness season, and it will save many lives

Lockdowns as opposed to health service reform

GazzaL · 23-01-2021 11:01PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Been thinking this.

The template is there to do it each respiratory illness season, and it will save many lives

Lockdowns as opposed to health service reform

Easier to put a few hundred thousand people out of work, destroy businesses and the economy, than to reform the Health Service.

Silentcorner · 23-01-2021 11:04PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Easier to put a few hundred thousand people out of work, destroy businesses and the economy, than to reform the Health Service.

The distribution of vaccines should be removed from their remit, it was a mistake from the beginning.

FintanMcluskey · 23-01-2021 11:05PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Easier to put a few hundred thousand people out of work, destroy businesses and the economy, than to reform the Health Service.

The lack of evidence around effectiveness of stay at home orders and business closures is irrelevant it seems, they must work because it seems like they do.

Galileo was laughed at when he said the earth was round and revolved around the sun, religion said otherwise so it couldn’t be true

Windmill100000 · 23-01-2021 11:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, at least I asked for and listened to their views on things.

When I told of my experience in a Dublin hospital, people like you were quick to jump on me and shout that I’m just 1 person in 1 part of 1 hospital.

You see how I could easily spin this if I so desired?

Oh please, be honest. You expected (and no doubt hoped) they would agree with you that all children are being harmed as a result of being out of school during lockdown. I'd go so far as to say you were quite put out you weren't backed up.

I never jumped on you, I am too respectful for that. And exactly what do you mean by shouting? Would that not mean using caps because I don't think anyone on here has done that. You came on here telling people to go and rock up at hospitals because they are empty based on your experience and asking an A&E doctor.

A look at daily hospital numbers showed the vast majority of hospitals were 80-90% full. A few were at capacity.

Do you think people should not question you? Do you think you should have free reign to say whatever you like and not be pulled up on it?

If you are going to come on her and make ill-informed statements, you should expect to be pulled up on them. Just like everyone else.

GazzaL · 23-01-2021 11:10PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Oh please, be honest. You expected (and no doubt hoped) they would agree with you that all children are being harmed as a result of being out of school during lockdown. I'd go so far as to say you were quite put out you weren't backed up.

I never jumped on you, I am too respectful for that. And exactly what do you mean by shouting? Would that not mean using caps because I don't think anyone on here has done that. You came on here telling people to go and rock up at hospitals because they are empty based on your experience and asking an A&E doctor.

A look at daily hospital numbers showed the vast majority of hospitals were 80-90% full. A few were at capacity.

Do you think people should not question you? Do you think you should have free reign to say whatever you like and not be pulled up on it?

If you are going to come on her and make ill-informed statements, you should expect to be pulled up on them. Just like everyone else.

On the bit in bold text, I had the same experience on multiple occasions during previous lockdowns and spoke with numerous doctors and nurses who said the same. There was probably no better time to be in A&E because the staff were under less pressure and were able to provide a VIP service. I'd encourage anyone in need of medical treatment to seek it rather than to suffer or ignore potentially dangerous medical conditions.

Windmill100000 · 23-01-2021 11:20PM

GazzaL wrote: »

On the bit in bold text, I had the same experience on multiple occasions during previous lockdowns and spoke with numerous doctors and nurses who said the same. There was probably no better time to be in A&E because the staff were under less pressure and were able to provide a VIP service. I'd encourage anyone in need of medical treatment to seek it rather than to suffer or ignore potentially dangerous medical conditions.

Yes, A&E are quieter than usual because people are avoiding them because of outbreaks. People have been told to stay away unless they really need to be there.

The hospital I work in is close to capacity on normal beds and is at capacity for ICU - no beds available at all. At times through the day A&E is empty, not always, but there will be times.

Beasty · 23-01-2021 11:30PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

People have been told to stay away unless they really need to be there.

Have they?

I thought people were being encouraged to keep their appointments

Having said that I suspect many will not

I have had 4 hospital procedures and another half a dozen or so appointments with consultants throughout the pandemic. I would have attended another appointment 2 weeks ago but for my wife testing positive and me being stuck at home as a close contact. I do expect to rearrange that on Monday (as I am now past my "stay at home" period - 5 of us in the house, but only my wife ever showed any symptoms)

iamwhoiam · 23-01-2021 11:32PM

Beasty wrote: »

Have they?

I thought people were being encouraged to keep their appointments

Having said that I suspect many will not

I have had 4 hospital procedures and another half a dozen or so appointments with consultants throughout the pandemic. I would have attended another appointment 2 weeks ago but for my wife testing positive and me being stuck at home as a close contact. I do expect to rearrange that on Monday (as I am now past my "stay at home" period - 5 of us in the house, but only my wife ever showed any symptoms)

People are not being asked to stay away from appointments but from A and E unless really needed

Windmill100000 · 23-01-2021 11:37PM

Beasty wrote: »

Have they?

I thought people were being encouraged to keep their appointments

Having said that I suspect many will not

I have had 4 hospital procedures and another half a dozen or so appointments with consultants throughout the pandemic. I would have attended another appointment 2 weeks ago but for my wife testing positive and me being stuck at home as a close contact. I do expect to rearrange that on Monday (as I am now past my "stay at home" period - 5 of us in the house, but only my wife ever showed any symptoms)

During the surge in hospital Covid cases yes they were. Obviously if you are seriously ill that is a different story. An allocated appointment is different to walking into A&E instead of going to a GP. Apologies, I should have clarified that.

Nonoperational · 23-01-2021 11:54PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The lack of evidence around effectiveness of stay at home orders and business closures is irrelevant it seems, they must work because it seems like they do.

Galileo was laughed at when he said the earth was round and revolved around the sun, religion said otherwise so it couldn’t be true

Peas in a pod yourself and Galileo.

FintanMcluskey · 24-01-2021 12:04AM

Nonoperational wrote: »

Peas in a pod yourself and Galileo.

Good lad

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