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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #8912
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    So let me ask this.

    It is now dangerous to post facts is it?

    Just want to clear this up so we can move on.

    It depends on the facts you post. Misery facts good , positive facts bad (well in the eyes of some regulars).


  • #8913
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Hospital rates would need to drastically decrease too, 1,900 or so still atm. Was a time were cases 10 times lower than this was considered high

    Yes you told us we were 2 weeks from collapsing with numbers 10 times lower than they are now.


  • #8914
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Very poor language from Martin if that's the case

    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1352939521030184960

    Thats any easing of restrictions
    It's called managing expectations. Restrictions can also be Levels 1,2 or 3. Level 3 is still a possibility from April if numbers decline quickly enough. We can already see hospitalisations falling.


  • #8915
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So you think full lockdown until June, no schools, gyms, hairdressers.

    That is a strong possibility but hard to accurately predict that far ahead.

    If schools do not open early to mid March then they will likely stay closed till September. Hard decisions on schools will have to be made in March.


  • #8916
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    There’s a simple economic reality that there will fe no businesses left if level 5 remains until June and even so the state don’t have the resources to fund such restrictions


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  • #8917
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Yes you told us we were 2 weeks from collapsing with numbers 10 times lower than they are now.

    I never said that, Predicted pretty accurately what would happen as back as early December tho. No point dwelling on that. Would be good to see a sustainable plan going forward. Mandatory quarantine would give alot of people more hope of normality resuming at some stage this year.


  • #8918
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Show me the figures.

    Got my figures mixed up. Looks like 43% of hospitalizations have been u65 lately, more than half of patients who need ICU under 65 in recent weeks. Won't be CSO data yet because it's so recent.

    ''Mr Reid stressed that the illness affects all age groups. He added that between the January 6th and 19th, 2,685 people had been hospitalised due to the virus, with 163 admitted to ICU.

    Of the 2,685 people hospitalised, 43 per cent were under the age of 65.''

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hse-chief-says-covid-19-concern-in-hospitals-at-highest-level-ever-1068365.html


    ''Mr Reid said there have been 2,700 hospitalisations for Covid-19 over the past two weeks and 163 of these patients would have advanced to ICU.

    Earlier, it emerged that more than half of Covid-19 patients that need to be moved to intensive care units are aged under 65 as the hospital system remains under significant pressure.

    He said of the patients moved to ICU, two were in the 0-18 age group; six were in the 19-34 age group; 85 were in the 35-64 group, while 70 were in the 65-plus age group.''

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0122/1191449-covid-19-ireland/


  • #8919
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Got my figures mixed up. Looks like 43% of hospitalizations have been u65 lately, more than half of patients who need ICU under 65 in recent weeks. Won't be CSO data yet because it's so recent.

    ''Mr Reid stressed that the illness affects all age groups. He added that between the January 6th and 19th, 2,685 people had been hospitalised due to the virus, with 163 admitted to ICU.

    Of the 2,685 people hospitalised, 43 per cent were under the age of 65.''

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hse-chief-says-covid-19-concern-in-hospitals-at-highest-level-ever-1068365.html


    ''Mr Reid said there have been 2,700 hospitalisations for Covid-19 over the past two weeks and 163 of these patients would have advanced to ICU.

    Earlier, it emerged that more than half of Covid-19 patients that need to be moved to intensive care units are aged under 65 as the hospital system remains under significant pressure.

    He said of the patients moved to ICU, two were in the 0-18 age group; six were in the 19-34 age group; 85 were in the 35-64 group, while 70 were in the 65-plus age group.''

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0122/1191449-covid-19-ireland/

    And you would think, most under 65 would have better chance of a full recovery as well from normal hospitalization and from 8cu.


  • #8920
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    niallo27 wrote: »
    And you would think, most under 65 would have better chance of a full recovery as well from normal hospitalization and from 8cu.

    My point was more about the idea that once people over 70s were vaccinated that restrictions could be eased quicker that some posters have been making. Think that won't be the silver people some make it out to be.


  • #8921
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Very poor language from Martin if that's the case

    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1352939521030184960

    Thats any easing of restrictions

    Its a poor choice of words. Restrictions in some form applies to any level be it 5 or 3.


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  • #8922
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Its a poor choice of words. Restrictions in some form applies to any level be it 5 or 3.

    Who has ‘kidnapped’ level 4?


  • #8923
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Very poor language from Martin if that's the case

    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1352939521030184960

    Thats any easing of restrictions

    Yeah but bit above is '' restrictions in some form will remain in place until end of June at least.'' It seemed fairly vague tbh, seemed like he was thinking out loud. Guess it might be more realistic timeframe then saying end of February then end of March etc etc


  • #8924
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,230 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    I wonder is there any stats that show that the South Africa variant adversely affects coloured people more? Isn't that what the research showed for the original strain, particularly in America? And why it seems to be more deadly in the UK. Just when I hear it came from Africa, and maybe I am being disingenuous, and don't want to downplay the seriousness of the virus across the entire populace.


  • #8925
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,297 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Its a poor choice of words. Restrictions in some form applies to any level be it 5 or 3.


    When the vulnerable and frontline workers are vaccinated it doesn't matter if you still have 500 cases a day there will be little or no deaths each week, life needs to return to normal at that stage and the vaccination continue.


  • #8926
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Who has ‘kidnapped’ level 4?
    It never had a chance as a very wishy washy level between the relative freedom of Level 3 and the full-on Level 5.


  • #8927
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    When the vulnerable and frontline workers are vaccinated it doesn't matter if you still have 500 cases a day there will be little or no deaths each week, life needs to return to normal at that stage and the vaccination continue.

    What if you have say five to ten thousand cases a day, and our hospitals are full of younger people?


  • #8928
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    When the vulnerable and frontline workers are vaccinated it doesn't matter if you still have 500 cases a day there will be little or no deaths each week, life needs to return to normal at that stage and the vaccination continue.

    If we reopen there will quickly be thousands of cases or more and without another lockdown the hospitals will get overran and many will die regardless of how many frontline workers and over 70’s are vaccinated.

    We are in this until the majority of the population are vaccinated. Letting huge amounts of people to get infected will just increase the numbers of young people being hospitalised.


  • #8929
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    It would be nice if there was some degree of certainty given and the government could stop bending over backwards to industry lobby groups (think Vintners, retail Ireland et Al).

    I do believe that the severe escalation of cases over Christmas has actually scared a lot of people moreso than they ever were at any point since last March. There was mass public buy in to keeping schools closed and level 5 for a long time while the government dilly dallied at the start of January.

    Level 5 until at least March 31st or until a certain number of vaccinations have been reached and then review the situation again.

    Cancel the Leaving Certificate exams, there is a legacy of predicted grading from last year and despite the uproar from some students the world kept turning. It's grossly unfair to ask students to sit exams in a truncated school year, especially if students last year weren't.

    "Amenity" car-parks need to be closed again, this was done last March/April and worked a treat. I have family in Tramore and still the promenade is packed every weekend, how can this still be the case??? Surely the Gardaí setting up checkpoints and issuing fines is simply pissing into the wind if these car parks are still open?

    Everyone is seriously spooked after Christmas and by the daily death numbers. A lot of people I know that were relatively non-plussed by the whole thing are now actively staying at home, not making any kind of unnecessary journey etc. We finally got a glimpse of how up the shítter this situation can get if there's mass reckless behaviour. Keep the country closed until March. The public doesn't care about self interested lobby groups anymore and neither should the government.


  • #8930
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    castletownman wrote: »
    I wonder is there any stats that show that the South Africa variant adversely affects coloured people more? Isn't that what the research showed for the original strain, particularly in America? And why it seems to be more deadly in the UK. Just when I hear it came from Africa, and maybe I am being disingenuous, and don't want to downplay the seriousness of the virus across the entire populace.

    Presume you mean black. I think that was mainly due to socioeconomic reasons rather than physiology. I haven't heard anyone advocate that in media or research so far anyway.


  • #8931
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It never had a chance as a very wishy washy level between the relative freedom of Level 3 and the full-on Level 5.

    Amazing that you can use the word ‘freedom’ referencing level 3. Crazy what has been taken from us as a society due to this virus.No dig at you btw , just musing the words you used.


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  • #8932
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭Russman


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    When the vulnerable and frontline workers are vaccinated it doesn't matter if you still have 500 cases a day there will be little or no deaths each week, life needs to return to normal at that stage and the vaccination continue.

    It won’t work like that though. Just under half the hospitalisations currently are under 65, that’s with L5 restrictions. It’ll have to be a gradual opening up to avoid overwhelming hospitals with that cohort if there was a quick jump to normal.

    I honestly think there’s too much emphasis on vaccinating “the vulnerable” and things will be grand. I can’t see it being a light switch moment because there’s really no way of knowing in full who the vulnerable are. We know it’s mostly the elderly but only mostly.


  • #8933
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,297 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    What if you have say five to ten thousand cases a day, and our hospitals are full of younger people?


    Young people are not impacted, that's why they were able to open up all the schools at the end of last year.


  • #8934
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,230 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Presume you mean black. I think that was mainly due to socioeconomic reasons rather than physiology. I haven't heard anyone advocate that in media or research so far anyway.

    Thanks. Thought it might be due to the socioeconomic reasons but wasn't sure.


  • #8935
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    thelad95 wrote: »
    It would be nice if there was some degree of certainty given and the government could stop bending over backwards to industry lobby groups (think Vintners, retail Ireland et Al).

    I do believe that the severe escalation of cases over Christmas has actually scared a lot of people moreso than they ever were at any point since last March. There was mass public buy in to keeping schools closed and level 5 for a long time while the government dilly dallied at the start of January.

    Level 5 until at least March 31st or until a certain number of vaccinations have been reached and then review the situation again.

    Cancel the Leaving Certificate exams, there is a legacy of predicted grading from last year and despite the uproar from some students the world kept turning. It's grossly unfair to ask students to sit exams in a truncated school year, especially if students last year weren't.

    "Amenity" car-parks need to be closed again, this was done last March/April and worked a treat. I have family in Tramore and still the promenade is packed every weekend, how can this still be the case??? Surely the Gardaí setting up checkpoints and issuing fines is simply pissing into the wind if these car parks are still open?

    Everyone is seriously spooked after Christmas and by the daily death numbers. A lot of people I know that were relatively non-plussed by the whole thing are now actively staying at home, not making any kind of unnecessary journey etc. We finally got a glimpse of how up the shítter this situation can get if there's mass reckless behaviour. Keep the country closed until March. The public doesn't care about self interested lobby groups anymore and neither should the government.

    Just a point on your claim of public buy in, there would be no need for fines then if there was such buy in or threats of a fine. Also one year is now a legacy?


  • #8936
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Young people are not impacted, that's why they were able to open up all the schools at the end of last year.

    Tbf poster said younger as opposed to young but either way of course there still needs to be staff in those schools who could be impacted more by the virus.

    I think vaccinating the over 70s is the new try to cocoon everyone over 70. We still need community cases to come down to a fraction of what they are to have a realistic chance of having sustainable reopenings.


  • #8937
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,865 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Young people are not impacted, that's why they were able to open up all the schools at the end of last year.

    So this must be made up then

    Dying Young: The Health Care Workers in Their 20s Killed by COVID-19


  • #8938
    zuutroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    Schools not expected to fully re-open before Paddy's Day. Right, wtf is going on, because that's entirely disproportionate looking at how the numbers are reducing.


  • #8939
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,297 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    So this must be made up then

    Dying Young: The Health Care Workers in Their 20s Killed by COVID-19


    Sorry to be crude but do I need to state the obvious?


  • #8940
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Whatever about schools and construction there is no chance of any other sectors that you mentioned in your post reopening before Easter at the earliest.

    I disagree. Once we're under 5-600 cases a day, positivity rates on tests are under 5% and hospitals and ICU are back in control, I see no reason why they can't open. Hospitality is a different issue and they'll need to be very careful in reopening that but the others imo don't contribute to spread in any large way.


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  • #8941
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    zuutroy wrote: »
    Schools not expected to fully re-open before Paddy's Day. Right, wtf is going on, because that's entirely disproportionate looking at how the numbers are reducing.
    It's not really if you look at how many current daily cases we have. Now if that suddenly dropped to 500 cases a day you'd have a point.


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