Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

FintanMcluskey · 21-01-2021 07:51PM

average_runner wrote: »

I believe level 3 at start of May. Campsites etc will open as will hotels.

Come June, numbers will be low, over 70's vaccinated. We will move on

Can you point me to any suggestions Ireland will reopen for Summer?

You can’t

So we can only predict that they will quantify the mitigation measures on the same metrics they did last Summer when hospitals lay empty and cases were below 20

FintanMcluskey · 21-01-2021 07:52PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

There are two things that concern me.

Varadkar said back in Oct, during his public spat with Houlihan, that we simply couldn't afford another level 5 lockdown, since then we have been in level 5 for 2 and a half months with at least another month to go....how are going to afford this, have we an unlimited supply of money, which begs even more questions?

What is the non covid impact on our population, because I don't know a single person who isn't badly affected by all this, obviously to varying degrees

The following are two articles that paint a very grim picture.

https://www.thejournal.ie/eating-disorders-hospital-admissions-ireland-5331990-Jan2021/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40201311.html

These issues will escalate the longer we are being locked down and the above is only the tip of the iceberg....is the cure worse than the disease?

The greatest illusion ever created was that NPHET are concerned with “public health”

21-01-2021 08:53PM

The last few days we’ve had 100+ year olds dying with Covid.

I have my doubts about whether a vaccine will really do much for this demographic.

As well as vaccinating people, at some point an adult conversation will need to take place. We’ll need to learn to accept that people will still catch Covid and people will likely still die WITH it.

The “One death is one too many “ crowd will need to be silenced.

I still think we are very far away from having that adult conversation. So level 2 is unlikely for me this summer.

JRant · 21-01-2021 08:54PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If Ireland is allowed opened up like the continent was last Summer a vacation here would be lovely.

Ireland didn’t make any attempt to open up for an internal vacation until it was pissing rain last August.

So, choice is sunny Spain on the beach or a hotel in Donegal that’s in level 5

Mmmh

Don't forget the tremendous Stay and Save scheme that was to run from October to April in a bid to encourage people to staycation here. Just a shame we'll be in level 5 from all bar 3 weeks of it.

21-01-2021 09:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The last few days we’ve had 100+ year olds dying with Covid.

I have my doubts about whether a vaccine will really do much for this demographic.

As well as vaccinating people, at some point an adult conversation will need to take place. We’ll need to learn to accept that people will still catch Covid and people will likely still die WITH it.

The “One death is one too many “ crowd will need to be silenced.

I still think we are very far away from having that adult conversation. So level 2 is unlikely for me this summer.

One death too many crowd? Who are they?

Boggles · 21-01-2021 09:19PM

ArthurDayne wrote: »

Great to get back on point, it sounds like there’s a slight acceptance there that the RTA point isn’t one you’re going to get too far on.

Well no, thanks to the data in the link you provided you have proved it certainly is factor.

Fair play to you.

ArthurDayne wrote: »

Mass movement of people is not the problem

Well again no, mass movement of people in your opinion is not the problem.

In the opinion of public health who employ a whole team of behavioral scientists it is a problem.

Your opinion to be quite frank, lacks any sort of nuance and is naive in the extreme.

You are picturing a person simply getting into to their car and going for a walk somewhere and coming home, and for the majority that would be the case.

Unfortunately there would be a sizable minority who would think and act differently.

I imagine for example if distance restrictions were scrapped there wouldn't an airbnb left in the country.

They want people to stay at home and only go out for very specific reasons, the last thing they want to do with so many people with so much time on their hands is to create a 2 month bank holiday atmosphere.

Beasty · 21-01-2021 09:20PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The greatest illusion ever created was that NPHET are concerned with “public health”

Give it a rest or I will threadban you

FrStone · 21-01-2021 09:23PM

average_runner wrote: »

I believe level 3 at start of May. Campsites etc will open as will hotels.

Come June, numbers will be low, over 70's vaccinated. We will move on

Sure if that's the case, we should be reopened completely, not at level 2...

PTH2009 · 21-01-2021 09:30PM

I'd rather open up fully and not this farce of a 'living with covid ' plan but all signs are pointing that its that plan were opening with

Tenzor07 · 21-01-2021 09:35PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'd rather open up fully and not this farce of a 'living with covid ' plan but all signs are pointing that its that plan were opening with

If we could be guaranteed that this current Lockdown which looks like it will extend into the Summer will be the last Lockdown we ever have to deal with, and I don't mean Level 2 or Level 1 plus, but Level Zero! The i'm sure people would "work harder" towards and fully support...
...but with no apparent end to the cycle of Lockdowns no wonder most people are fed up with it and suffering due to it..

Captain_Crash · 21-01-2021 09:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We’ll need to learn to accept that people will still catch Covid and people will likely still die WITH it.

This is what I call the “ginger rule”.... if 10% of the population are ginger, then statistically around 10% of people in hospital have red hair, and 10% of the people on the train to Cork and so on... the same metric applies to covid... if x% of the population at any one time have it, then statistically about the same number of people do die will also have it! The vaccine won’t stop that!

Parabellum9 · 21-01-2021 09:36PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'd rather open up fully and not this farce of a 'living with covid ' plan but all signs are pointing that its that plan were opening with

There is no living with covid plan, there never was. There’s a panic and listen to Tony plan that always results in level 5, but a logical document outlining how to reopen society while vaccinations are ongoing? Never going to happen, not in little old Ireland with a crowd of ****ing **** pheasants parading as a government.

Mr. Karate · 21-01-2021 09:48PM

Parabellum9 wrote: »

There is no living with covid plan, there never was.

The Living with Covid plan was just a lie to sell us the illusion that they had any intention of letting us return to normal.

Rodin · 21-01-2021 09:54PM

Some fierce amount of nonsense being spouted on this thread...

21-01-2021 10:05PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

This is what I call the “ginger rule”.... if 10% of the population are ginger, then statistically around 10% of people in hospital have red hair, and 10% of the people on the train to Cork and so on... the same metric applies to covid... if x% of the population at any one time have it, then statistically about the same number of people do die will also have it! The vaccine won’t stop that!

All sorts of random sh*te being posted now. Christ

Ted_YNWA · 21-01-2021 10:18PM

Rodin wrote: »

Some fierce amount of nonsense being spouted on this thread...

Deleted User wrote: »

All sorts of random sh*te being posted now. Christ

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

The understatement of the year so far.anyway.

Mod

And you felt the need to add to it!!

Back on topic please.

21-01-2021 10:21PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

This is what I call the “ginger rule”.... if 10% of the population are ginger, then statistically around 10% of people in hospital have red hair, and 10% of the people on the train to Cork and so on... the same metric applies to covid... if x% of the population at any one time have it, then statistically about the same number of people do die will also have it! The vaccine won’t stop that!

Given that the average January has 100 deaths per day and there were 50 Covid deaths today, 50% of the population must currently have Covid?

Penfailed · 21-01-2021 10:22PM

johnboy1298 wrote: »

This again links to what level of restriction is appropriate, I don't think keeping everyone within 5km is justified for at best a handful of ICU beds being available when infection rates are lower. That might be an appropriate restriction at the minute but it sure wasn't for a lot of the time it has been in place.

Eh? It was only in place for the first lockdown and this one IIRC...?

JRant · 21-01-2021 11:42PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Eh? It was only in place for the first lockdown and this one IIRC...?

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/66269-ireland-placed-on-level-5-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid/

The 5km rule was in place last October when we moved to Level 5.

Pete Moss · 22-01-2021 12:02AM

Penfailed wrote:

Eh? It was only in place for the first lockdown and this one IIRC...?

I think you mean, it was only adhered to for the first lockdown.

Dickie10 · 22-01-2021 12:23AM

if there is one bit of hope. varadker and a few other senior politicans have been consistent about normal life resuming in june/july. they may just surprise us all when they know there out of the woods rregarding deaths and hospitalisations that they just pull the rug from tony and nyphet. stranger things have happened. i know leo id say will go in for this and know he will get away with it because basically he will be right, get 70% vaccinated ,even 60% and like the dog on the street knows were home and dry. deaths plummett, ICU number plummets and funnily enough around that time you wont here much about case numbers which may still be highish but wont result iin hospitalisations. that my take anyway. it could be all over quicker than we imagine.

22-01-2021 12:33AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

if there is one bit of hope. varadker and a few other senior politicans have been consistent about normal life resuming in june/july. they may just surprise us all when they know there out of the woods rregarding deaths and hospitalisations that they just pull the rug from tony and nyphet. stranger things have happened. i know leo id say will go in for this and know he will get away with it because basically he will be right, get 70% vaccinated ,even 60% and like the dog on the street knows were home and dry. deaths plummett, ICU number plummets and funnily enough around that time you wont here much about case numbers which may still be highish but wont result iin hospitalisations. that my take anyway. it could be all over quicker than we imagine.

I hope your right Dickie. Cant wait to get back to some sort of normality. Going to matches.Pints at the weekends. Flying to somewhere warm. Travelling anywhere in the country without having to be stopped by a stupid check point

PTH2009 · 22-01-2021 12:35AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

if there is one bit of hope. varadker and a few other senior politicans have been consistent about normal life resuming in june/july. they may just surprise us all when they know there out of the woods rregarding deaths and hospitalisations that they just pull the rug from tony and nyphet. stranger things have happened. i know leo id say will go in for this and know he will get away with it because basically he will be right, get 70% vaccinated ,even 60% and like the dog on the street knows were home and dry. deaths plummett, ICU number plummets and funnily enough around that time you wont here much about case numbers which may still be highish but wont result iin hospitalisations. that my take anyway. it could be all over quicker than we imagine.

Hope so

Neddyusa · 22-01-2021 12:56AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

if there is one bit of hope. varadker and a few other senior politicans have been consistent about normal life resuming in june/july. they may just surprise us all when they know there out of the woods rregarding deaths and hospitalisations that they just pull the rug from tony and nyphet. stranger things have happened. i know leo id say will go in for this and know he will get away with it because basically he will be right, get 70% vaccinated ,even 60% and like the dog on the street knows were home and dry. deaths plummett, ICU number plummets and funnily enough around that time you wont here much about case numbers which may still be highish but wont result iin hospitalisations. that my take anyway. it could be all over quicker than we imagine.

Wish I could share your optimism Dickie.

However, it has one major flaw - its logical.

The one constant with government response over the past year is that logic or science has never been considered

Captain_Crash · 22-01-2021 01:04AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

if there is one bit of hope. varadker and a few other senior politicans have been consistent about normal life resuming in june/july. they may just surprise us all when they know there out of the woods rregarding deaths and hospitalisations that they just pull the rug from tony and nyphet. stranger things have happened. i know leo id say will go in for this and know he will get away with it because basically he will be right, get 70% vaccinated ,even 60% and like the dog on the street knows were home and dry. deaths plummett, ICU number plummets and funnily enough around that time you wont here much about case numbers which may still be highish but wont result iin hospitalisations. that my take anyway. it could be all over quicker than we imagine.

I’ve heard a few theories lately, which I can’t say I disagree with that TH and NPHET are quite a handy buffer for the government at the minute and it’s Tony’s head who’ll roll when needed. When you think of it.... it makes sense, let him rip and let the public direct anger at NPHET while cases reduce, then cut them loose when the time comes and come out smelling like roses! Wishful thinking maybe, but it has merit..... and Leo has an axe to grind with Tony as we all know!!

Lundstram · 22-01-2021 01:29AM

Another day of nothing but negativity from NPHET, government and news media. MM telling us we won't leave level 5 before the end of March, how great is that. Why is he telling us this? People are just going to become complacent if they keep pushing it out.

As a country back in April we done everything that was asked of us and we got numbers down to 3-10 cases per day and went 16 days without a death. We were not rewarded. They eased restrictions painfully slow. Kildare, Laois and Offaly suffered the most. I remember one day Laois had 0 cases and 0 deaths yet they were still in lockdown until 3 days later. Massive damage done to the local economy there and for what?

The damage to public confidence in lockdowns was done in the summer. Promises were broken. King Tony then strolled back in and the lockdown hammer came back. Another blow to public confidence. I believe Ronan Glynn, while not perfect, would have done a better job if he were left in situ. His pragmatic approach was refreshing. It's a shame he wasn't allowed to continue.

Change in government also was a bad idea, it just was not the time. Harris was lightyears ahead of Donnelly. Leo is a much better communicator than MM. Donald Trump would've done a better job than Norma Foley, how does she still have a job? The tide turned when MM took over, he has too much baggage. There's politicians in the Dail still calling Varadkar An Taoiseach to this very day, says it all really.

The vaccine rollout seems to be a secret. When are we getting more? Daily figures? It seems to be an afterthought.

We are 22 days into 2021 and we have just 140,000 people vaccinated, 2% of the population. Utterly pathetic.

Donnelly today telling us all citizens will be offered a vaccine by September, turns out he meant all adults. The man is out of his depth.

Not afraid to admit I'm struggling with all this now. I'm a very active and social person and I'm hating this so much. This is no way to live.

Would a bit of fcuking hope, optimism or positivity from NPHET, government or news media be too much to ask for? All this doom and gloom is utterly soul destroying. Some people love it, love the misery and negativity of it all.

Utterly depressing.

22-01-2021 01:43AM

Lundstram wrote: »

Another day of nothing but negativity from NPHET, government and news media. MM telling us we won't leave level 5 before the end of March, how great is that. Why is he telling us this? People are just going to become complacent if they keep pushing it out.

As a country back in April we done everything that was asked of us and we got numbers down to 3-10 cases per day and went 16 days without a death. We were not rewarded. They eased restrictions painfully slow. Kildare, Laois and Offaly suffered the most. I remember one day Laois had 0 cases and 0 deaths yet they were still in lockdown until 3 days later. Massive damage done to the local economy there and for what?

The damage to public confidence in lockdowns was done in the summer. Promises were broken. King Tony then strolled back in and the lockdown hammer came back. Another blow to public confidence. I believe Ronan Glynn, while not perfect, would have done a better job if he were left in situ. His pragmatic approach was refreshing. It's a shame he wasn't allowed to continue.

Change in government also was a bad idea, it just was not the time. Harris was lightyears ahead of Donnelly. Leo is a much better communicator than MM. Donald Trump would've done a better job than Norma Foley, how does she still have a job? The tide turned when MM took over, he has too much baggage. There's politicians in the Dail still calling Varadkar An Taoiseach to this very day, says it all really.

The vaccine rollout seems to be a secret. When are we getting more? Daily figures? It seems to be an afterthought.

We are 22 days into 2021 and we have just 140,000 people vaccinated, 2% of the population. Utterly pathetic.

Donnelly today telling us all citizens will be offered a vaccine by September, turns out he meant all adults. The man is out of his depth.

Not afraid to admit I'm struggling with all this now. I'm a very active and social person and I'm hating this so much. This is no way to live.

Would a bit of fcuking hope, optimism or positivity from NPHET, government or news media be too much to ask for? All this doom and gloom is utterly soul destroying. Some people love it, love the misery and negativity of it all.

Utterly depressing.

I agree 100% with everything you have said. Its utterly depressing. Turn on the news and its all doom and gloom. Better off not watching the crap. Work hard all week and what have you got to look forward to at the weekends,absolutely nothing. Cant go for pints or to any matches. Not meant to go outside your 5km radius.Depressing stuff

fin12 · 22-01-2021 01:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree 100% with everything you have said. Its utterly depressing. Turn on the news and its all doom and gloom. Better off not watching the crap. Work hard all week and what have you got to look forward to at the weekends,absolutely nothing. Cant go for pints or to any matches. Not meant to go outside your 5km radius.Depressing stuff

switch off the news. Honestly I think the whole country is cracking up at this stage. They are a sick bunch we have running this country, talking about lockdown 4 and 5 and we not even out of this one.

22-01-2021 01:54AM

fin12 wrote: »

switch off the news. Honestly I think the whole country is cracking up at this stage. They are a sick bunch we have running this country, talking about lockdown 4 and 5 and we not even out of this one.

Dont watch the news or listen out for daily numbers anymore. All depressing stuff. The country and RTE are being run by clowns. All negative stuff with them

bb1234567 · 22-01-2021 02:16AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

This is what I call the “ginger rule”.... if 10% of the population are ginger, then statistically around 10% of people in hospital have red hair, and 10% of the people on the train to Cork and so on... the same metric applies to covid... if x% of the population at any one time have it, then statistically about the same number of people do die will also have it! The vaccine won’t stop that!

Well it'll be interesting to see I suppose, it will show what number were dying 'with' COVID once and for all.

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