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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #7742
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    They'll come under serious pressure before then but no way in hell Tony and NPHET will want anything open before a Bank Holiday

    It does give society nothing to look forward to or aim towards after months of sacrifice

    Cancel the bank holidays so.
    I have a trip booked away in August. Ireland with restrictions or a sun location with restrictions easy choice tbh.


  • #7743
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Society should have sacraficed a bit more over Christmas.

    Society instead chose that sacrafices buy party's and stupidity. Society's decisions will be listened to and restrictions won't be eased for big events.

    A cold decision should be made based on case numbers and hospitalisation numbers and rates.

    Some of society yes absolutely took the pi so

    A hell of a lot didn't

    Yes decisions will be taken based on all those factors

    However I do think you need something to keep people on side

    Stay at home bar work and no close contacts/social outlets is fine short term

    Short term isn't more than three months and more than likely six

    Six months with not seeing friends, family, partners

    People will say to hell with that


  • #7744
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Some of society yes absolutely took the pi so

    A hell of a lot didn't

    Yes decisions will be taken based on all those factors

    However I do think you need something to keep people on side

    Stay at home bar work and no close contacts/social outlets is fine short term

    Short term isn't more than three months and more than likely six

    Six months with not seeing friends, family, partners

    People will say to hell with that

    That's the thing, those who aren't following restrictions will continue to not follow.

    Those of us who do? Tbh I don't know if I'll follow them to the letter for another couple of months. I don't generally take risks, and I followed restrictions. But not seeing even one friend who's at home constantly with no visitors, so therefore feck all risk? For months? On top of potentially losing my job? It's starting to affect my mental health now so I dunno how long I'll follow them to the letter tbh.


    I'd imagine many more feel similarly. They need to give people something, anything.


  • #7745
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    To be fair, most of this was flagged well in advance. We knew going into this that "end of January" meant that some higher-priority stuff like schools, construction and sports training might get the go-ahead then. Now it looks like there may be a delay of 1-2 weeks, but I guarantee as soon as NPHET say it's a goer, then they'll go with it.

    2-3 weeks after that (so late February/early March), non-essential retail and hairdressers will get the go-ahead.

    There will be no movement on hospitality until after Easter, and anyone who expected otherwise was fooling themselves.

    Once we get into April, the game will have changed in many ways. Brighter, warmer weather. Longer days, at-risk populations vaccinated.

    Outdoor dining will get the go-ahead and they may leave it at that up to June before risking indoors again.

    Household visit restrictions will remain far longer than people expect. I expect some level of headcount restrictions indoors up to September.

    After the last lockdown lifted, the number of people who went having sleepovers and house parties was mental. They will have to go extra strong on the messaging this time that the absolute last thing we should be doing is visiting eachother's houses.


  • #7746
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    They'll come under serious pressure before then but no way in hell Tony and NPHET will want anything open before a Bank Holiday

    It does give society nothing to look forward to or aim towards after months of sacrifice

    I'm not sure if bank holidays will make much of a muchness, may just be they need to wait a few months anyways. People would still have weekends too


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  • #7747
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I'm not sure if bank holidays will make much of a muchness, may just be they need to wait a few months anyways. People would still have weekends too

    It shouldn't really but we had one bank holiday with restaurants open last year and that was August

    Reopenings were deliberately timed for after bank holidays


  • #7748
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Those swab numbers of 2791 and a 11.5% are disappointing. Hopefully just a blip.


  • #7749
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    seamus wrote: »
    To be fair, most of this was flagged well in advance. We knew going into this that "end of January" meant that some higher-priority stuff like schools, construction and sports training might get the go-ahead then. Now it looks like there may be a delay of 1-2 weeks, but I guarantee as soon as NPHET say it's a goer, then they'll go with it.

    2-3 weeks after that (so late February/early March), non-essential retail and hairdressers will get the go-ahead.

    There will be no movement on hospitality until after Easter, and anyone who expected otherwise was fooling themselves.

    Once we get into April, the game will have changed in many ways. Brighter, warmer weather. Longer days, at-risk populations vaccinated.

    Outdoor dining will get the go-ahead and they may leave it at that up to June before risking indoors again.

    Household visit restrictions will remain far longer than people expect. I expect some level of headcount restrictions indoors up to September.

    After the last lockdown lifted, the number of people who went having sleepovers and house parties was mental. They will have to go extra strong on the messaging this time that the absolute last thing we should be doing is visiting eachother's houses.

    Most of that makes sense however you do have to give something during April to June when the most vulnerable are vaccinated


  • #7750
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Those swab numbers of 2791 and a 11.5% are disappointing. Hopefully just a blip.

    How do swab numbers relate to cases and why are they important?


  • #7751
    zuutroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    seamus wrote: »
    Household visit restrictions will remain far longer than people expect. I expect some level of headcount restrictions indoors up to September.

    That doesn't really tie in with the 'everyone who wants to be vaccinated will be by September' timeline though. I'd say it'll be very close to business as usual by mid-summer.


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  • #7752
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    zuutroy wrote: »
    That doesn't really tie in with the 'everyone who wants to be vaccinated will be by September' timeline though. I'd say it'll be very close to business as usual by mid-summer.

    Depends on your definition of business as usual, Retail, hospitality, sport, schools etc all back, but concerts, full attendance at sporting events etc wont be.


  • #7753
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Most of that makes sense however you do have to give something during April to June when the most vulnerable are vaccinated
    IMO it'll be level 3, with limited household visits and no indoor dining. Anything that can be done mostly outdoors can go ahead, book tables outside restaurants and cafes. Museums, cinemas, etc., will all be able to open again.

    The big aim here will be a phased reopening that never has to be rolled back on again. So in that regard, being overly cautious will have more payback than not.

    In essence the government want to be in a place where Croke Park can have real crowds for the latter stages of the GAA championships (July - September) and the pubs can have people watching it on their screens. Get that joy back into peoples' lives and it's incredible how fast they'll forget the mistakes that were made.

    But opening up too quickly will jeopardise that goal.


  • #7754
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    seamus wrote: »
    IMO it'll be level 3, with limited household visits and no indoor dining. Anything that can be done mostly outdoors can go ahead, book tables outside restaurants and cafes. Museums, cinemas, etc., will all be able to open again.

    The big aim here will be a phased reopening that never has to be rolled back on again. So in that regard, being overly cautious will have more payback than not.

    In essence the government want to be in a place where Croke Park can have real crowds for the latter stages of the GAA championships (July - September) and the pubs can have people watching it on their screens. Get that joy back into peoples' lives and it's incredible how fast they'll forget the mistakes that were made.

    But opening up too quickly will jeopardise that goal.

    I could live with that


  • #7755
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    seamus wrote: »
    IMO it'll be level 3, with limited household visits and no indoor dining. Anything that can be done mostly outdoors can go ahead, book tables outside restaurants and cafes. Museums, cinemas, etc., will all be able to open again.

    The big aim here will be a phased reopening that never has to be rolled back on again. So in that regard, being overly cautious will have more payback than not.

    In essence the government want to be in a place where Croke Park can have real crowds for the latter stages of the GAA championships (July - September) and the pubs can have people watching it on their screens. Get that joy back into peoples' lives and it's incredible how fast they'll forget the mistakes that were made.

    But opening up too quickly will jeopardise that goal.

    The Hurling Final is July 11th and the Football the 18th. I can see there being fans, but really cant see full houses tbh. Maybe 20k or so.


  • #7756
    Lemonzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭Lemonzero


    Just looking at the inaugaration in US today, everyone masked and outside but no social distancing and all on top of each other.much prefer our system here.


  • #7757
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Hooter23 wrote: »
    Rte are great at reporting virus deaths but strangely enough do not even mention Vaccine deaths 55 deaths so far in america 29 in Norway...if "truth matters" as Rte says it does then why aren't they reporting it

    Strange how the media always report negative news yet when it comes to the vaccine its all positive...do the vaccine deaths and people left crippled by it not matter

    Many of the people vaccinated are over 80 with health conditions, in Norway almost all are. Do you think of the 14 million Americans vaccinated over the last month that 55 dying during that period is a lot? Frankly I'm more suprised it's not more considering the demographic being vaccinated currently


  • #7758
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    seamus wrote: »
    IMO it'll be level 3, with limited household visits and no indoor dining. Anything that can be done mostly outdoors can go ahead, book tables outside restaurants and cafes. Museums, cinemas, etc., will all be able to open again.

    The big aim here will be a phased reopening that never has to be rolled back on again. So in that regard, being overly cautious will have more payback than not.

    In essence the government want to be in a place where Croke Park can have real crowds for the latter stages of the GAA championships (July - September) and the pubs can have people watching it on their screens. Get that joy back into peoples' lives and it's incredible how fast they'll forget the mistakes that were made.

    But opening up too quickly will jeopardise that goal.

    It's a very fair analysis to be honest, but I think there will be a need to reshuffle to nphet ,I know the government won't want any step backs but nphet as is are almost too cautious in there approach at times.


  • #7759
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    seamus wrote: »

    Household visit restrictions will remain far longer than people expect. I expect some level of headcount restrictions indoors up to September.

    After the last lockdown lifted, the number of people who went having sleepovers and house parties was mental. They will have to go extra strong on the messaging this time that the absolute last thing we should be doing is visiting eachother's houses.

    I agree with most of what you said apart from this. It makes no sense...if I'm vaccinated and your vaccinated, why on earth would we not go visit each other? Especially when..as you say..indoor dining open.


  • #7760
    Elessar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭Elessar


    Depressing as f*ck that news.

    I was willing to accept going to the end of March while the people most at risk were vaccinated but if we still have these draconian restrictions there should be 100,000 people marching on Leinster house in protest. But being Ireland, we'll just moan and complain to ourselves and then accept and take it like good little boys and girls.

    "The vulnerable" will be vaccinated by end of March but some other group will be the new "vulnerable" mark my words. They could keep us restricted to 2030 and we'd still take it like sheep.


  • #7761
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Eod100 wrote: »
    In unsurprising news, restrictions to be extended until late February apparently.

    The hospitality sector may not reopen properly until late May or early June.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-government-set-to-extend-level-5-restrictions-to-late-february-1.4463199
    Officials in the Department of Education have begun exploring whether schools can reopen on February 1st, although the delay in reopening schools for children with special needs has dampened the prospects of agreement being reached for other schools.

    so in effect, they've thrown in the towel there as well...


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  • #7762
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    1,820 deaths in the UK today.

    Grim.


  • #7763
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭Russman


    Elessar wrote: »
    Depressing as f*ck that news.

    I was willing to accept going to the end of March while the people most at risk were vaccinated but if we still have these draconian restrictions there should be 100,000 people marching on Leinster house in protest. But being Ireland, we'll just moan and complain to ourselves and then accept and take it like good little boys and girls.

    "The vulnerable" will be vaccinated by end of March but some other group will be the new "vulnerable" mark my words. They could keep us restricted to 2030 and we'd still take it like sheep.

    Ronan Glynn said last week that 1 in 3 hospitalisations is under 65.


  • #7764
    Psychedelic Hedgehog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭Psychedelic Hedgehog


    Do people really think that the government/NPHET want to keep the lockdown in place for as long as is possible? Remember that the cost of PUP and other social welfare supports, plus the lack of taxable service trade has to go on the national debt, which impacts any political party's ability to loosen the purse strings anytime in the near future.

    Occam's razor, lads.


  • #7765
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    seamus wrote: »
    IMO it'll be level 3, with limited household visits and no indoor dining. Anything that can be done mostly outdoors can go ahead, book tables outside restaurants and cafes. Museums, cinemas, etc., will all be able to open again.

    The big aim here will be a phased reopening that never has to be rolled back on again. So in that regard, being overly cautious will have more payback than not.

    In essence the government want to be in a place where Croke Park can have real crowds for the latter stages of the GAA championships (July - September) and the pubs can have people watching it on their screens. Get that joy back into peoples' lives and it's incredible how fast they'll forget the mistakes that were made.

    But opening up too quickly will jeopardise that goal.

    GAA championship atm is down to finish in July, so I'd say fair chance most games won't have fans.


  • #7766
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,684 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    When the cases fall to under 1000 day the pressure will ratchet up to get retail open to some degree.


  • #7767
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Elessar wrote: »
    Depressing as f*ck that news.

    I was willing to accept going to the end of March while the people most at risk were vaccinated but if we still have these draconian restrictions there should be 100,000 people marching on Leinster house in protest. But being Ireland, we'll just moan and complain to ourselves and then accept and take it like good little boys and girls.

    "The vulnerable" will be vaccinated by end of March but some other group will be the new "vulnerable" mark my words. They could keep us restricted to 2030 and we'd still take it like sheep.

    these arent draconian for one thing

    What did you honestly think would happen?


  • #7768
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    You're entirely correct I think.

    However, 2,791 swabs will mean 2,500 cases give or take.
    In the last 14 days the median/mean age of cases has been rising steadily, and the percentage of cases being hospitalised has nearly doubled as a result.

    4.17% of cases were hospitalised in the last 14 days. If that holds, then we're looking at about 104 hospitalisations from today's cases alone.

    So in short, things are rapidly improving case-wise, but the progress on the hospital front is much slower.

    A bit of context, yesterday and today had the largest numbers of hospital discharges on record at 164 and 140, it's not all doom and gloom


  • #7769
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    these arent draconian for one thing

    What did you honestly think would happen?

    They most definitely are. 4 months of level 5 lockdown? That can't and won't happen.


  • #7770
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »
    Do people really think that the government/NPHET want to keep the lockdown in place for as long as is possible? Remember that the cost of PUP and other social welfare supports, plus the lack of taxable service trade has to go on the national debt, which impacts any political party's ability to loosen the purse strings anytime in the near future.

    Occam's razor, lads.

    Applying Occams razor to NPHET, they have nothing to gain by opening up anything.


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  • #7771
    techdiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭techdiver


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    these arent draconian for one thing

    What did you honestly think would happen?

    Now lets be honest here. I fully support all the current measures but to not recognise them as draconian is disingenuous. Not being able to go 5km from your home, no public amenities, no social outlets open. That's the definition of draconian.


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