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    #902
    forgottenhills
    Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭forgottenhills


    paul71 wrote: »
    They are not required as Irish charities (often government funded) and social services do it, they are required in the UK.

    Social services and charities (often as food banks) operate in the UK also.


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    #903
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,331 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    forgottenhills wrote: »
    Look my argument is that I disagree with the assertions on here from some posters that the UK is a third world country and can't afford to feed its own children, assertions which have used the actions of Unicef UK to provide food worth 25k to children in London as proof.

    Do you agree with these assertions as I note that you haven't been asking these posters for evidence or proof that the UK is not in a position to feed its children?

    I missed the third world country argument. I suspect it was referring to the UK as a third country in the world in the context of trade with the EU.

    I'm questioning your repeated assertion of some form of foul play from UNICEF. Nobody has claimed that the UK can't afford to feed children. The issue is that they're choosing not to.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #904
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    forgottenhills wrote: »
    Wrong I applaud Rashford. And Unicef should be feeding hungry children in all countries if their governments or parents are not doing it. Do you think that Unicef should be providing food to kids in Ireland as there are hungry kids here also?

    No need. We don't have a populist right-wing government with an overwhelming majority. So we have a fairer society.


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    #905
    paul71
    Registered Users Posts: 3,112 ✭✭✭paul71


    forgottenhills wrote: »
    Social services and charities (often as food banks) operate in the UK also.

    And unicef had to step in there but not here, ergo disproving your assertion.


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    #906
    forgottenhills
    Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭forgottenhills


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I missed the third world country argument. I suspect it was referring to the UK as a third country in the world in the context of trade with the EU.

    I'm questioning your repeated assertion of some form of foul play from UNICEF. Nobody has claimed that the UK can't afford to feed children. The issue is that they're choosing not to.

    If you read through the thread you will find the phrase "third world country" used rather than "third country" and I know the difference. And this whole idea of the UK not being able to feed its own kids if it really wished to was supported further when I challenged it.

    I didn't assert anything about Unicef, I speculated about a possibility and I may well be wrong but politics is a dirty game and people shouldn't be naive. And finally people in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones (in relation to child poverty). I am not posting on this specific issue again as its gone down a rathole.


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    #907
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,331 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    forgottenhills wrote: »
    If you read through the thread you will find the phrase "third world country" used rather than "third country" and I know the difference. And this whole idea of the UK not being able to feed its own kids if it really wished to was supported further when I challenged it.

    I didn't assert anything about Unicef, I speculated about a possibility and I may well be wrong but politics is a dirty game and people shouldn't be naive. And finally people in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones (in relation to child poverty). I am not posting on this specific issue again as its gone down a rathole.

    I just checked. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment you've decided to either misinterpret or misrepresent.

    Throwing out random possibilities and then hiding behind this as a justification for not doing the research is a poor argument. Without evidence or at least a well-written anecdote there's nothing.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #908
    [Deleted User]
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    No need. We don't have a populist right-wing government with an overwhelming majority. So we have a fairer society.

    or are just better at sweeping it under the carpet.


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    #909
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,391 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    forgottenhills wrote: »
    If you read through the thread you will find the phrase "third world country" used rather than "third country" and I know the difference. And this whole idea of the UK not being able to feed its own kids if it really wished to was supported further when I challenged it.

    The term 'third world country' comes from the cold war era. The world was divided into three - those that supported the USA and its allies (NATO)- inc the UK; then there were the countries that supported the USSR and its allies; then there were those countries that were non-aligned. Under that definition, Ireland is a third world country because we are non-aligned, not being a member of NATO or any other alliance. However, the pejorative use of the term is not appropriate in the modern world.

    Now the term used for countries that are not wealthy is 'developing'. No country in Europe falls into that category. The EU puts a lot of effort in to helping 'developing' countries.


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    #910
    paul71
    Registered Users Posts: 3,112 ✭✭✭paul71


    forgottenhills wrote: »
    If you read through the thread you will find the phrase "third world country" used rather than "third country" and I know the difference. And this whole idea of the UK not being able to feed its own kids if it really wished to was supported further when I challenged it.

    I didn't assert anything about Unicef, I speculated about a possibility and I may well be wrong but politics is a dirty game and people shouldn't be naive. And finally people in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones (in relation to child poverty). I am not posting on this specific issue again as its gone down a rathole.

    That comment was "The third world" country not "A third world" and was made by a poster with a better command of English than any other posting on boards, the distinction he drew was from context and is clear. You have deliberately chosen to ignore that twice now even when pointed out to you.


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    #911
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    They are in big trouble now


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    #912
    Roanmore
    Registered Users Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Roanmore


    Ports closing will lead to more tailbacks on top of the existing tailbacks.
    Truck drivers will be stuck fork at least 48 hours, hope they have enough food or this could turn in to a disaster.


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    #913
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Roanmore wrote: »
    Ports closing will lead to more tailbacks on top of the existing tailbacks.
    Truck drivers will be stuck fork at least 48 hours, hope they have enough food or this could turn in to a disaster.
    Food. Fuel. Toilet facilities.


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    #914
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,452 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Food. Fuel. Toilet facilities.

    Is that the new government 3 word slogan ?


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    #915
    Yuser.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭Yuser.


    Starmer needs to shake up the speechwriting a bit

    Too many soundbytes

    He doesn't seem to have a lot of charisma


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    #916
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,139 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Yuser. wrote: »
    Starmer needs to shake up the speechwriting a bit

    Too many soundbytes

    He doesn't seem to have a lot of charisma

    The clusterf**k by Johnson & co, is hardly a Starmer issue, just deflection.


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    #917
    Yuser.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭Yuser.


    Water John wrote: »
    The clusterf**k by Johnson & co, is hardly a Starmer issue, just deflection.

    What do you mean?


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    #918
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,139 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    In real terms, Starmer is just a bystander ATM. Political discussions are around Covid, Covid variant and Brexit. These are owned,(in a negative way), by Johnson and the Tories.
    Starmer doesn't have to do anything. He can take a nice long Christmas break.
    BTW you musn't have listened to PMQs over the last couple of months where, on a daily basis, Starmer roasted him.


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    #919
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,923 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Aegir wrote: »
    or are just better at sweeping it under the carpet.

    World class at it I would wager.

    World beating ability to sweep under the carpet how they fought funding to feed children in after school clubs.

    If only the Tories could learn a thing or two from the Irish government about this issue that obviously should be a bigger scandal in Ireland than it is.

    You are the canary in the coalmine aegir!


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    #920
    Yuser.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭Yuser.


    Water John wrote: »
    In real terms, Starmer is just a bystander ATM. Political discussions are around Covid, Covid variant and Brexit. These are owned,(in a negative way), by Johnson and the Tories.
    Starmer doesn't have to do anything. He can take a nice long Christmas break.
    BTW you musn't have listened to PMQs over the last couple of months where, on a daily basis, Starmer roasted him.

    Pmqs is different, his legal skills come into play

    You have to be a salesman to make a speech


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    #921
    View
    Registered Users Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭View


    Water John wrote: »
    In real terms, Starmer is just a bystander ATM. Political discussions are around Covid, Covid variant and Brexit. These are owned,(in a negative way), by Johnson and the Tories.
    Starmer doesn't have to do anything. He can take a nice long Christmas break.
    BTW you musn't have listened to PMQs over the last couple of months where, on a daily basis, Starmer roasted him.

    They are also owned by Starmer and Labour as they support the Conservatives policies. The reality is that if Starmer and Labour had woken up with an eighty seat majority in the HoC anytime in the last month or so, it would have made very little difference in the policies that the U.K. government pursued in those areas. They are more interested in emulating the Conservatives than in offering an (noticeably different) alternative.


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    #922
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,452 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    View wrote: »
    They are also owned by Starmer and Labour as they support the Conservatives policies. The reality is that if Starmer and Labour had woken up with an eighty seat majority in the HoC anytime in the last month or so, it would have made very little difference in the policies that the U.K. government pursued in those areas. They are more interested in emulating the Conservatives than in offering an (noticeably different) alternative.


    Thats pure nonsense. Labour would not be holding up a Brexit deal and waiting till the last second over a few fish. There is also nothing to suggest they would have botched Covid to the extent the Tories did


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    #923
    PommieBast
    Registered Users Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Looks like Boris Johnson is overridng the vetting by the House or Lords appointments commission, and making Peter Cruddas a peer. A new low in the level of corruption within the administration.


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    #924
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,923 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    PommieBast wrote: »
    Looks like Boris Johnson is overridng the vetting by the House or Lords appointments commission, and making Peter Cruddas a peer. A new low in the level of corruption within the administration.

    I'm sure we'll be told by the resident defenders that there's nothing to see here. Once Lebedev got a peerage I don't think anyone was going to be shocked by anything that followed that!


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    #925
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭Jizique


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    I'm sure we'll be told by the resident defenders that there's nothing to see here. Once Lebedev got a peerage I don't think anyone was going to be shocked by anything that followed that!

    He (Crudass) is a big Brexiteer; also Hanann gets a peerage - moves like this make me think a no-deal remains underpriced, even if Tesco are now rationing loo roll and eggs


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    #926
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It's hard to know but I assume that the Telegraph genuinely does not understand Irish history. At all!

    https://twitter.com/mckinneytweets/status/1351819966958460928


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    #927
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,391 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    It's hard to know but I assume that the Telegraph genuinely does not understand Irish history. At all!

    https://twitter.com/mckinneytweets/status/1351819966958460928

    Did they not hear Biden's response to the BBC reporter who asked him for a quote for their viewers/listeners. His response was 'I'm Irish'.

    I think the term 'tone deaf' applies to the Telegraph and their English readers.


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    #928
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,013 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    It's hard to know but I assume that the Telegraph genuinely does not understand Irish history. At all!

    https://twitter.com/mckinneytweets/status/1351819966958460928

    The author of that piece is Christopher Hope, otherwise know as "Chopper", who does the "Chopper's Politics" podcast. I listened to a couple of them and concluded that he was thick as mince.

    I simply don't understand how someone of this calibre becomes the chief political correspondent of a national broadsheet newspaper. It's mystifying.


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    #929
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,286 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Lumen wrote: »
    The author of that piece is Christopher Hope, otherwise know as "Chopper", who does the "Chopper's Politics" podcast. I listened to a couple of them and concluded that he was thick as mince.

    I simply don't understand how someone of this calibre becomes the chief political correspondent of a national broadsheet newspaper. It's mystifying.

    because it's probably easy to drive an agenda through him with little resistance


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    #930
    Dave0301
    Registered Users Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    Lumen wrote: »
    The author of that piece is Christopher Hope, otherwise know as "Chopper", who does the "Chopper's Politics" podcast. I listened to a couple of them and concluded that he was thick as mince.

    I simply don't understand how someone of this calibre becomes the chief political correspondent of a national broadsheet newspaper. It's mystifying.

    Attended a British public school, so essentially, he is connected and the Irish Famine would not have been high on the list of teaching priorities there.


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    #931
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,331 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dave0301 wrote: »
    Attended a British public school, so essentially, he is connected and the Irish Famine would not have been high on the list of teaching priorities there.

    From talking to people and having lived here for a decade, I get the impression that there's a collective sense of cultural embarrassment about chunks of their history which aren't taught in schools as a result.

    Sad thing is that I've had plenty of people show a genuine interest in Ireland's culture and history without shying away from the "embarrassing" bits.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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