What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

19-01-2021 2:33pm

Invidious wrote: »

Because SJWs will never accept that ethnic minorities are capable of behavior that is dishonest, fraudulent, or illegal, such as applying for asylum under false pretenses ... even though it's clearly been going on for years.

It's not that they don't see that minorities can be 'dishonest, fraudulent, or illegal'.. it's that the numbers who do behave that way, don't represent the remainder.

So.. if half are behaving badly, we should still be helping the overall group, because we cannot turn away the half that behave well. You could go further with 90% behaving badly, and the same logic would apply, in that the 10% should not be penalised due to the behavior of the majority.

Which is why we need longer and 'better' ways for minorities to appeal any rulings, because it's fairer to the minority that might be treated badly due to the behavior of the majority. That the system will be abused by the majority doesn't matter. The risk that any minority might, possibly, be penalised must be avoided, at all costs.

Montage of Feck · 19-01-2021 2:46pm

Invidious wrote: »

Because SJWs will never accept that ethnic minorities are capable of behavior that is dishonest, fraudulent, or illegal, such as applying for asylum under false pretenses ... even though it's clearly been going on for years.

Take up the White Man's burden—
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain.
To seek another's profit,
And work another's gain.

Invidious · 19-01-2021 2:55pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Which is why we need longer and 'better' ways for minorities to appeal any rulings, because it's fairer to the minority that might be treated badly due to the behavior of the majority. That the system will be abused by the majority doesn't matter.

In practice, allowing longer and better ways to appeal only creates a cottage industry for the legal profession, which profits handsomely by entertaining the tall stories of fraudsters at the state's expense. As noted above, the Pamela Izebekhai fiasco alone cost the Irish taxpayer more than €1 million in legal fees.

The risk that any minority might, possibly, be penalised must be avoided, at all costs.

The Irish state has spent millions of hard-earned taxpayers' money funding legal appeals by asylum seekers who claim to be fleeing from voodoo curses and the like. There comes a time when we have to say enough is enough. "At all costs" are three dangerous words.

CruelCoin · 19-01-2021 3:00pm

Marcos wrote: »

This is the point that Richard Dawkins missed when he wrote the selfish gene.

Does he? We all know plenty of people who are altruistic entirely for the social brownie points. It's still greed, if you're being kind for a reward.

19-01-2021 3:01pm

Invidious wrote: »

In practice, allowing longer and better ways to appeal only creates a cottage industry for the legal profession, which profits handsomely by entertaining the tall stories of fraudsters at the state's expense. As noted above, the Pamela Izebekhai fiasco alone cost the Irish taxpayer more than €1 million in legal fees.

That's the point though. Activists can become "experts" on the system, selling their expertise to minorities, writing articles for media, or producing books to promote their viewpoints. A more unworkable system gives them more to complain about.

The Irish state has spent millions of hard-earned taxpayers' money funding legal appeals by asylum seekers who claim to be fleeing from voodoo curses and the like. There comes a time when we have to say enough is enough. "At all costs" are three dangerous words.

Sure, I agree. We do need to remember that Ireland is a small nation with it's own share of problems, and we have to appreciate that many migrants need long term and costly supports for many years, if not decades, which may extend longer when their childrens needs come into play.

CruelCoin · 19-01-2021 3:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

That's the point though. Activists can become "experts" on the system, selling their expertise to minorities, writing articles for media, or producing books to promote their viewpoints. A more unworkable system gives them more to complain about.

That d**khead Eoin Ó Broin for example?

19-01-2021 4:21pm

Marcos wrote: »

This is the point that Richard Dawkins missed when he wrote the selfish gene

That was the very point of the book, how advantageous altruism is, but at a local level.
Youre spot on otherwise!

Mike Murdock · 19-01-2021 4:29pm

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

That was the very point of the book, how advantageous altruism is, but at a local level.
Youre spot on otherwise!

He is spot on with his assertion too.

It's the same with Climate Change. You have young activists constantly bleating about the end-of-days in terms of pollution and climate change, who won't lift a ****ing finger to clean rubbish from their own localities first.

Go out and watch who is involved with community clean up groups around Dublin at the weekend, and it is mainly older people. Very few, if any, younger activists involved.

19-01-2021 4:36pm

Mike Murdock wrote: »

He is spot on with his assertion too.

It's the same with Climate Change. You have young activists constantly bleating about the end-of-days in terms of pollution and climate change, who won't lift a ****ing finger to clean rubbish from their own localities first.

Go out and watch who is involved with community clean up groups around Dublin at the weekend, and it is mainly older people. Very few, if any, younger activists involved.

Back in the 70s and 80s we lived thinking we could be wiped out in a second. Just got on with sh1t. Now, thanks to the Boomers and Gen-X, the world has never been safer, healthier, wealthier...

grassylawn · 19-01-2021 5:00pm

Rubbish doesn't necessarily contribute to climate change. Where I live people get up in arms about litter, but backyard burning is generally accepted.

mikeym · 19-01-2021 6:15pm

I love multiculturalism.

Viscount Aggro · 19-01-2021 7:57pm

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/ireland-needs-four-million-migrants-to-sustain-state-pension-system-39985277.html

Doctor Roast · 19-01-2021 8:05pm

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/ireland-needs-four-million-migrants-to-sustain-state-pension-system-39985277.html

Ponzi scheme, if that were to happen Irish people would be a minority in their own country

jmreire · 19-01-2021 8:06pm

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/ireland-needs-four-million-migrants-to-sustain-state-pension-system-39985277.html

And by definition, these 4 million down the road,will need how many million to support their pension's? and so on and so on???

I'm not sure how long this model will work for.....especially when you think about how job demographic's are changing with AI etc.

Wilhelm III · 19-01-2021 8:07pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Ponzi scheme, if that were to happen Irish people would be a minority in their own country

That's the plan.

Doctor Roast · 19-01-2021 8:22pm

Wilhelm III wrote: »

That's the plan.

Another soulless consumerist ****hole with no identity or social cohesion... The EU and companies will be very pleased...

Asus X540L · 19-01-2021 8:24pm

Odds of this bloke being left stay here when he gets out of prison?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-jailed-for-nine-months-over-sexual-assault-on-luas-1066961.html

19-01-2021 8:25pm

jmreire wrote: »

And by definition, these 4 million down the road,will need how many million to support their pension's? and so on and so on??? I'm not sure how long this model will work for.....especially when you think about how job demographic's are changing with AI etc.

This reminds me of that Simpson's episode when the town gets overrun with Bolivian tree lizards:

Skinner: Well, I was wrong; the lizards are a godsend.

Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?

Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.

Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?

Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.

Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!

Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

jmreire · 19-01-2021 8:40pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Another soulless consumerist ****hole with no identity or social cohesion... The EU and companies will be very pleased...

Oh, I don't know about that...the 4 million is over a 30 year time frame...But things being the way they are now in a rapidly changing world.....there's a lot that could really upset that applecart, and I mean in the next 5 years or less. ( and thats aside from Merkel admitting that inviting 1 million in to Germany was not a good idea, with hindsight.)

Kivaro · 19-01-2021 8:43pm

Asus X540L wrote: »

Odds of this bloke being left stay here when he gets out of prison?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-jailed-for-nine-months-over-sexual-assault-on-luas-1066961.html

Based on the Housing Department's recent report, there is very little chance of him getting deported, even after this horrific sexual attack.

This particular Afghani "gentleman", who lives in Direct Provision, sexually assaulted a young woman on the Luas, and then receives two years imprisonment .............. but the judge suspended the final 15 months. Anyone want to guess who the Judge is? Yes, our noble Judge Martin Nolan. And of course, as stated by the judge, he did not give this criminal a longer sentence because he was an Afghani national. In other words, an Irish person would have received a longer sentence for this crime.

If Ireland continues down this multicultural path of facilitating people who have completely different social norms than the rest of us, then our society will be a total wreck in very short time.

Marcos · 19-01-2021 8:46pm

Asus X540L wrote: »

Odds of this bloke being left stay here when he gets out of prison?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-jailed-for-nine-months-over-sexual-assault-on-luas-1066961.html

Of course, he's one of those four million extra we need to pay your pension don't you know?

Asus X540L · 19-01-2021 8:49pm

Kivaro wrote: »

Based on the Housing Department's recent report, there is very little chance of him getting deported, even after this horrific sexual attack.

This particular Afghani "gentleman", who lives in Direct Provision, sexually assaulted a young woman on the Luas, and then receives two years imprisonment .............. but the judge suspended the final 15 months. Anyone want to guess who the Judge is? Yes, our noble Judge Martin Nolan. And of course, as stated by the judge, he did not give this criminal a longer sentence because he was an Afghani national. In other words, an Irish person would have received a longer sentence for this crime.

If Ireland continues down this multicultural path of facilitating people who have completely different social norms than the rest of us, then our society will be a total wreck in very short time.

So he got 3 months for touching a young woman with his penis on the luas then ejaculating on her?

That looks to be in the serious end of sexual crimes.

Kivaro · 19-01-2021 8:55pm

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/ireland-needs-four-million-migrants-to-sustain-state-pension-system-39985277.html

I really dislike their headline, but it's not surprising from our mainstream media:

"Ireland needs four million migrants to sustain State pension system"

As if we do not allow 4 million migrants in, there will be no pensions for us down the road, and we will all starve like back in 1847.
Well, it a good thing then that after the 4 million come here and pay for our pensions that they will then go back home when they reach retirement age; otherwise we will need 16 million more migrants to pay for the pensions of the original 4 million migrants.
We need a bigger island.

Kivaro · 19-01-2021 8:59pm

Asus X540L wrote: »

So he got 3 months for touching a young woman with his penis on the luas then ejaculating on her?

That looks to be in the serious end of sexual crimes.

No, he got 9 months.
And it was a bit more of a serious assault than that, but I would suggest those who get upset about these types of stories not to read the details in the article.

19-01-2021 9:14pm

jmreire wrote: »

And by definition, these 4 million down the road,will need how many million to support their pension's? and so on and so on??? I'm not sure how long this model will work for.....especially when you think about how job demographic's are changing with AI etc.

Never mind about supporting their pensions... what about the 25% (i'm being generous) that end up on welfare, and the other 20..25% that end up on minimum wage, but need supports for their families of four plus children? The track record of migrants is that roughly half or a little more than half end up in full time employment.. so who will be supporting those who don't get full time employment (but still need living supports, education, and health needs provided)?

Invidious · 19-01-2021 10:19pm

Mike Murdock wrote: »

There are some that STILL defend Pamela Izevbekhai. Even though she drained the Irish taxpayer for over 1 million euro in legal fees and was proven to be a fraud.

We live in a world where thinking of a black woman as anything other than a victim of white patriarchal colonialist oppression generates too much cognitive dissonance for many.

Izevbekhai lied for years, burning through five solicitors and €1 million in legal fees, and was eventually deported ... but of course there are many who still believe her, because to do otherwise would conflict with their ideology.

Kivaro · 19-01-2021 10:48pm

Invidious wrote: »

We live in a world where thinking of a black woman as anything other than a victim of white patriarchal colonialist oppression generates too much cognitive dissonance for many.

Izevbekhai lied for years, burning through five solicitors and €1 million in legal fees, and was eventually deported ... but of course there are many who still believe her, because to do otherwise would conflict with their ideology.

Need to remember that it was our tax payer €1,000,000 that she burned through before finally getting deported back to Nigeria. From the Irish Times: "it was a six-year battle, which involved more than 20 High Court appearances and an appeal to the Supreme Court". Even after the truth came out about her lies, the Independent tried to interview her back in Nigeria but she wanted too much money for the interview, so they gave up on it. It was a weird time back then watching all of it unfold. Many of us knew at that stage that Ireland was walking into a nightmare of its own making.

Invidious · 19-01-2021 10:52pm

Kivaro wrote: »

Need to remember that it was our tax payer €1,000,000 that she burned through before finally getting deported back to Nigeria. From the Irish Times: "it was a six-year battle, which involved more than 20 High Court appearances and an appeal to the Supreme Court". Even after the truth came out about her lies, the Independent tried to interview her back in Nigeria but she wanted too much money for the interview, so they gave up on it. It was a weird time back then watching all of it unfold. Many of us knew at that stage that Ireland was walking into a nightmare of its own making.

Yes. Of course, the compliant Irish media supported her all the way. If not for the Sunday Times, the truth probably never would have come out.

Tell me how · 19-01-2021 11:48pm

https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1351537398564286466

Unsurprisingly, conservatives in the US are all gung ho for calling out the idea of authoritarianism while ignoring their long held desire to control what women do with their bodies and how they choose to implement travel bans from muslim countries while ignoring the dominant threat of white supremacy within their own country. And they also tried to claim the term 'Law and Order' while seeking to absolve those who carried out an insurrection when invading the Capitol while seeking to overturn the Presidential election.

Incredible to think that someone who held such a high office would think that aiming to achieve a position of moral righteousness is so abhorrent.

I've long thought that most of the people expressing concerns such as Pompeo are doing so from a place of, if not outright racist views, then definitely a desire that the status quo which they have become familiar with, and which generally benefits them, should continue. Given everything that has gone on in the US over the last 4 years, and how public all of this was, there can be no denying that this was the case with Trump and his cohorts.
Thankfully, the American people showed they have no interest in carrying on with the selfish, regressive, divisive examples they were lead with for the last 4 years. Things aren't going to be all sunshine and roses with the next guy, or the one after that, or the one after that but at least someone who is looking towards taking small steps forward is better than any taking giant steps backwards.

Thankfully, as far as Ireland goes, we have so far shown that Politicians who seek to exploit such motivations as Pompeo above aren't very popular amongst the electorate.

20-01-2021 12:54am

Tell me how wrote: »

Incredible to think that someone who held such a high office would think that aiming to achieve a position of moral righteousness is so abhorrent.

Not really. The US has always, and will likely to continue to be ruled by the wealthy, who are inherently selfish... that selfishness means protecting their wealth, which leads to moralising, in the hopes of conditioning society. It's nothing new for the US.

I've long thought that most of the people expressing concerns such as Pompeo are doing so from a place of, if not outright racist views, then definitely a desire that the status quo which they have become familiar with, and which generally benefits them, should continue. Given everything that has gone on in the US over the last 4 years, and how public all of this was, there can be no denying that this was the case with Trump and his cohorts.

I'm always amazed at the willingness to assume that everything kicked off with Trump. It didn't. Obama wasn't a particularly good president for helping the American people. He and Biden are very similar in some respects, as is Trump. More interested in public acclaim, and ticking boxes than actually benefiting the nation. They're all fixated on widening the divisions that have emerged over the last two decades.

I can't stand Trump.. but Washington, and the whole US political system is incredibly corrupt. It's interesting the way people latch on to Trump, in the effort to ignore all that.. and if they do acknowledge it, it'll be a momentary dismissal.

Not going to go off topic here. There's other threads that debate Biden and US politics.

As for Irish politicians.. nah. I don't buy it. Irish political parties have no hesitation in attempting to manipulate the electorate, and tugging at the heart strings. RTE's focus on diversity and the positives of multiculturalism, reflect that desire to manipulate. Otherwise we'd be seeing more interest in showing the negatives, and providing a more balanced view of multiculturalism.

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