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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #7502
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Then where do you have them wait? 18 people in a waiting room every 15 minute? Recipe for disaster.

    We’re long gone beyond the recipe for disaster. We’ve used up all the ingredients over the last ten months and will be eating(paying) for this cake for years to come.

    We keep making the same cake over and over in this country.

    We really need someone new to do the baking .....


  • #7503
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Russman wrote: »
    Because it’s a completely new vaccine and the scrutiny they’ll be under were anything to go wrong. Maybe they won’t who knows.

    Regardless, logistically there’s no way a GP (or the vast majority of them) will have the ability to operate a conveyor belt like system - where do people wait both before and after in a socially distanced manner ? Where do they park ? What about the normal patients ? It’s just not going to work that way IMO.

    It could easily be a conveyor belt, admin staff to get documents ready, doc to inject, nurse? to oversee observation.

    Of course that 30quid an injection doesn't seem too lucrative now though.


  • #7504
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    We’re long gone beyond the recipe for disaster. We’ve used up all the ingredients over the last ten months and will be eating(paying) for this cake for years to come.

    We keep making the same cake over and over in this country.

    We really need someone new to do the baking .....

    So basically you don't know, but wanted to attack the government.......

    Fairnuff......


  • #7505
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    seamus wrote: »
    11.5% of all our Covid deaths have been reported in the last 7 days.

    I fear the worst of these numbers is not yet past us.

    RIP

    Monday to Sunday last week we had 268 reported death looks like we'll see simliar this week if not higher.

    The way they are reported deaths is odd. 8 yesterday and 93 today.


  • #7506
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Russman wrote: »
    Because it’s a completely new vaccine and the scrutiny they’ll be under were anything to go wrong. Maybe they won’t who knows.

    Regardless, logistically there’s no way a GP (or the vast majority of them) will have the ability to operate a conveyor belt like system - where do people wait both before and after in a socially distanced manner ? Where do they park ? What about the normal patients ? It’s just not going to work that way IMO.

    I know of some GPs that have some interesting plans, they are thinking of setting up some marquees for people waiting and are planning to work from early morning to late evening in the weeks after they get supplies, some of the hours will be solely dedicated to vaccines. They all want this done as quickly as possible, and feel the only constraint will be supply.


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  • #7507
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Russman wrote: »
    Because it’s a completely new vaccine and the scrutiny they’ll be under were anything to go wrong. Maybe they won’t who knows.

    Regardless, logistically there’s no way a GP (or the vast majority of them) will have the ability to operate a conveyor belt like system - where do people wait both before and after in a socially distanced manner ? Where do they park ? What about the normal patients ? It’s just not going to work that way IMO.

    Hopefully they can do mass vaccination sites like in Phoenix park with the tents and stadiums say (if they're not being used by testing sites) to increase up the volumes but may not speed it up timewise too much unless they have separate areas people can wait say.


  • #7508
    Jimi H
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Jimi H


    Incredibly sad to see the number of deaths and in ICU. So difficult for the families and healthcare workers.


  • #7509
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I'm sorry, your not going to have a single GP be able to vaccinate 72 people an hour. Have some sense.

    I don't think I said that. Other poster maybe.


  • #7510
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Vaccine isnt anywhere near as good as claimed.

    Plus major doubts that it will work against mutations.


    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-virus-czar-says-1st-dose-less-effective-than-pfizer-indicated-report/



    Israel’s coronavirus czar Nachman Ash has reportedly said the first dose of Pfizer’s vaccine provides less protection against COVID-19 than the US pharmaceutical firm had initially indicated it would, and cautioned that it may not protect against new strains of the virus.


  • #7511
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Witness the spokesperson for Irish pharmacists grinning like an eejit on the Six One news. All this talk about the "greater good", you'd think they'd perform their civic duty for free. Greedy gumption, culture of entitlement among certain sectors in society. Stack that on top of other considerable arrears Stephen, keep the bonfire of public money well fed.

    Doctors have been flat out the last year, but now they should work harder, for longer, for free?

    Settle down comrade.


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  • #7512
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    manofwisdom wrote: »
    Monday to Sunday last week we had 268 reported death looks like we'll see simliar this week if not higher.

    The way they are reported deaths is odd. 8 yesterday and 93 today.

    I suppose yesterday is people who reported to them on Sunday which is probably a lot less than people reporting on Monday anyway.


  • #7513
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    If only they were vaccinated in December when the government said they would start

    I hope the Christmas meet ups and gatherings was worth it

    The vaccine was only approved on the 21st of december and they did start vaccinating in December,they only got limited supplies in the first batch so unless the government could pull some doses out of their arses I don't know what they were expected to do


  • #7514
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Hopefully they can do mass vaccination sites like in Phoenix park with the tents and stadiums say (if they're not being used by testing sites) to increase up the volumes but may not speed it up timewise too much unless they have separate areas people can wait say.

    It should be exactly like the old blood bank, registration, waiting room, lab, waiting room (with guinness) out....... All separate, all efficient.

    In, jab, out, jobs a goodun.


  • #7515
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,214 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    If they are dying now, chances are they caught it before the vaccine was even approved, but nice attempt at point scoring.......

    WTF do you mean point scoring :confused::mad:
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #7516
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Vaccine isnt anywhere near as good as claimed.

    Plus major doubts that it will work against mutations.


    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-virus-czar-says-1st-dose-less-effective-than-pfizer-indicated-report/



    Israel’s coronavirus czar Nachman Ash has reportedly said the first dose of Pfizer’s vaccine provides less protection against COVID-19 than the US pharmaceutical firm had initially indicated it would, and cautioned that it may not protect against new strains of the virus.

    did you read the article at all? i mean there's a reason for the second dose ffs. also he talks about people testing positive, the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid.

    some vaccine "czar" this guy is.


  • #7517
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    6 per hour, how you working that out, there's a 15 minute observation period after the jab, so 3 per hour is generous.

    Are they travelling like the flu vaccine? That brings it down to maybe 2, then who's looking after the surgery? A lokum needs to be paid. Will they need to have a nurse with them? That's another expense added on.....

    If the jab does take priority over their regulars, then they're making 60 quid by losing 60 quid......

    Not the money making racket you're painting it out to be is it?

    Second patient can be vaccinated while first is being observed so can definitely vaccinate more than six patients in an hour.

    Hospitals have used marquee/gazebos as waiting and observation areas. Portacabins in some places. Community halls etc could be used. It doesn’t have to physically happen in GP surgery or pharmacy. Could also be done opportunistically when patients attend for other reasons.

    No-one attending for a vaccine should have Covid suspected symptoms so only basic PPE requirement of a face mask is needed.

    Vaccinations can be given by GP nurses as well as GP themselves. It’s practically all nurses giving vaccines in hospitals to HCWs.

    I would have expected it to be same fee as flu vaccine. GPs receive 15 euro for administration of influenza vaccine and an additional 100 euro for every 10 patients (25 euro per patient). They receive 20 euro for nasal vaccine administration and a further 150 euro for every 10 patients (35 euro per patient).


  • #7518
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    froog wrote: »
    did you read the article at all? i mean there's a reason for the second dose ffs. also he talks about people testing positive, the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid.

    some vaccine "czar" this guy is.

    Even after the second dose people are still getting covid.
    According to the Health Ministry, over 12,400 have people tested positive for coronavirus after receiving vaccine shots; this figure includes 69 people who have received the second dose.

    That's a crazy high number under lockdown conditions.

    If they open things up what would it be?


  • #7519
    Newuser2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭Newuser2


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    6 per hour, how you working that out, there's a 15 minute observation period after the jab, so 3 per hour is generous.

    Are they travelling like the flu vaccine? That brings it down to maybe 2, then who's looking after the surgery? A lokum needs to be paid. Will they need to have a nurse with them? That's another expense added on.....

    If the jab does take priority over their regulars, then they're making 60 quid by losing 60 quid......

    Not the money making racket you're painting it out to be is it?

    Works out about 100 an hour for 3 jabs

    Seems reasonable


  • #7520
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    We’re long gone beyond the recipe for disaster. We’ve used up all the ingredients over the last ten months and will be eating(paying) for this cake for years to come.

    We keep making the same cake over and over in this country.

    We really need someone new to do the baking .....

    You appear to have comprehensive medical training, going by your posts.

    When do you start?


  • #7521
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    It should be exactly like the old blood bank, registration, waiting room, lab, waiting room (with guinness) out....... All separate, all efficient.

    In, jab, out, jobs a goodun.

    If someone offers me a Guinness with the jab I wouldn't say no.. :pac:


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  • #7522
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Russman wrote: »
    Even though it won’t be like that, even at €360 per hour they’d be well down on normal pre covid. They’d normally get through way more than 10 people an hour and it’s usually double the €30 their getting per jab. GP isn’t a minimum wage gig.


    I'd love to know who your GP is. 10 Patients an hour.:eek:


  • #7523
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Even after the second dose people are still getting covid.



    That's a crazy high number under lockdown conditions.

    If they open things up what would it be?

    again, the vaccine is not designed to stop you getting covid.


  • #7524
    mightyreds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,879 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Even after the second dose people are still getting covid.



    That's a crazy high number under lockdown conditions.

    If they open things up what would it be?

    Shock vaccine doesn't do what it wasn't designed for.


  • #7525
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Eod100 wrote: »
    If someone offers me a Guinness with the jab I wouldn't say no.. :pac:


    A pint and a shot. Let the publicans in on it


  • #7526
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Hopefully this is true

    https://twitter.com/SeanKellyMEP/status/1351592052916686850?s=19


  • #7527
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Even after the second dose people are still getting covid.



    That's a crazy high number under lockdown conditions.

    If they open things up what would it be?

    https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1369992/Does-Covid-vaccine-stop-transmission-evg
    But several unknowns remain, especially when it comes to transmission.

    While they will prevent life-threatening infection, none of the three working vaccines has proven they can stave off the virus altogether.

    The same goes for preventing spread, meaning it is possible for someone with the virus to remain asymptomatic but capable of spreading the disease to others.

    This has been known all along nothing new there

    Shin


  • #7528
    zuutroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    Thread is in bits right about now.


  • #7529
    Eivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Then where do you have them wait? 18 people in a waiting room every 15 minute? Recipe for disaster.

    In another room maybe?


  • #7530
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    froog wrote: »
    again, the vaccine is not designed to stop you getting covid.

    So how will cases come down when we come out of lockdown ?


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  • #7531
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Eivor wrote: »
    In another room maybe?


    Outside? Garden or similar Gazebo or sheltered wall?


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