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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #6902
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Eod100 wrote: »
    UK approved vaccines ahead of EU so have a few week headstart but think the supply could have been better here.

    Very frustrating. “A few weeks” right now is a lot


  • #6903
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    alentejo wrote: »
    Alot being claimed about Supermarkets on this forum

    Just two thoughts on this

    Have many Supermarket staff got Covid recently? I am sure many staff have had it recently as its so prevalent in the community, however is it greater than expected norms? would be interested to know if this is known?

    During the 1st wave back in April & May, there were no or very few masks being worn by customers and staff? This time around, 99% of people wear masks. In theory, supermarkets should be safer that the 1st wave!

    I suspect that supermarket infections do happen, however I suspect you would be unlucky to get it in a supermarket. No matter how many infections there are, supermarkets will not close (however dont give T H ideas though)

    5 staff members in my cousins local Supervalu in county Donegal have tested positive a couple of days ago.

    During the first lockdown there was a fixed number of people allowed into supermarkets at any one time. This plan seems to have been abandoned since the country 'opened up' during the summer. I drove down to my local Lidl last week, no parking spaces, so I went over to Supervalu which was also packed, I tried Aldi and it was also jammers so I went to the local petrol station shop instead.

    As a rule, I stay away from supermarkets if they are busy. Apparently the virus can live on cardboard so I dont use any of the boxes in the shop. You can pick it up from handling cash, so I always use my card. I have sanitizer in the car for when I come out of the shop.


  • #6904
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    hopgirl wrote: »
    I know that but these are people who have tested positive and know they have it.

    How can you possibly know that in this case?:confused:


  • #6905
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    5 staff members in my cousins local Supervalu in county Donegal have tested positive a couple of days ago.

    During the first lockdown there was a fixed number of people allowed into supermarkets at any one time. This plan seems to have been abandoned since the country 'opened up' during the summer. I drove down to my local Lidl last week, no parking spaces, so I went over to Supervalu which was also packed, I tried Aldi and it was also jammers so I went to the local petrol station shop instead.

    As a rule, I stay away from supermarkets if they are busy. Apparently the virus can live on cardboard so I dont use any of the boxes in the shop. You can pick it up from handling cash, so I always use my card. I have sanitizer in the car for when I come out of the shop.

    I don't know if there is any official regulation on that (there should be), but I've seen frequently queues outside of supermarkets with someone only letting people in when someone else left, to not have too many people inside. Tesco even has the automated screen thing telling you when you can and can't go in.


  • #6906
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    I don't know if there is any official regulation on that (there should be), but I've seen frequently queues outside of supermarkets with someone only letting people in when someone else left, to not have too many people inside. Tesco even has the automated screen thing telling you when you can and can't go in.

    I think it's very dependent on the specific shop. Lot of stopped hiring someone to do it so it's not enforced. Know some shops have signs alright but just people's personal responsibility unless there is someone enforcing it.


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  • #6907
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    HSE plans to reintroduce testing for close contacts once cases go below 2,000. Depending on how many close contacts and how many test positive may make cases seem higher so for a while. But you'd hope people have reduced their contacts as much as possible so may not have a huge impact.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0118/1190369-coronavirus-ireland/


  • #6908
    babyboom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭babyboom


    On the issue of people not telling the truth about where they may have picked up the infection...I am being tested this afternoon having developed mild symptoms. The doctor doesn't think it's Covid but, as i have to look after my 94 year old mother, is sending me for a test just in case. I have literally been nowhere other than the supermarket, my house and my mother's house. I wear a mask, sanitize and keep away from my mother when delivering her shopping. I've met no one, not even for a walk, since long before Christmas. I haven't been in anyone's house, to a coffee shop, pub or restaurant since March. If I do have it, I don't know where I got it. My husband and daughter are working, I drive them both in and out. They may have brought it in to the house but neither have symptoms. I'll be raging if I have it having been so careful.


  • #6909
    acer911
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 570 ✭✭✭acer911


    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    I posted similar yesterday how it's a bit bizarre that we treat people's word on how they caught the disease as gospel, especially when people have a major self interest in lying about it.

    I heard from multiple people about an acquaintances’ family testing positive having only been to the supermarket. Anyway fast forward a few weeks and I was chatting to the acquaintance about it. They were adamant that it had to come from the supermarket, while in conversation they mentioned that their sister was home for Christmas, she worked in healthcare but they had disregarded her as the cause because she didn’t have any symptoms and they hadn’t been in contact for 10 days at the point they showed symptoms.

    Some people just don’t get it.


  • #6910
    babyboom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭babyboom


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    I don't know if there is any official regulation on that (there should be), but I've seen frequently queues outside of supermarkets with someone only letting people in when someone else left, to not have too many people inside. Tesco even has the automated screen thing telling you when you can and can't go in.

    Our local Supervalu has that screen with a voice telling you when it's safe to enter. I've seen lots of people totally ignore it. The security guard doesn't bat an eyelid.


  • #6911
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    5 staff members in my cousins local Supervalu in county Donegal have tested positive a couple of days ago.

    During the first lockdown there was a fixed number of people allowed into supermarkets at any one time. This plan seems to have been abandoned since the country 'opened up' during the summer. I drove down to my local Lidl last week, no parking spaces, so I went over to Supervalu which was also packed, I tried Aldi and it was also jammers so I went to the local petrol station shop instead.

    As a rule, I stay away from supermarkets if they are busy. Apparently the virus can live on cardboard so I dont use any of the boxes in the shop. You can pick it up from handling cash, so I always use my card. I have sanitizer in the car for when I come out of the shop.

    https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(20)30561-2.pdf


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  • #6912
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,189 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    alentejo wrote: »
    Alot being claimed about Supermarkets on this forum

    Just two thoughts on this

    Have many Supermarket staff got Covid recently? I am sure many staff have had it recently as its so prevalent in the community, however is it greater than expected norms? would be interested to know if this is known?

    During the 1st wave back in April & May, there were no or very few masks being worn by customers and staff? This time around, 99% of people wear masks. In theory, supermarkets should be safer that the 1st wave!

    I suspect that supermarket infections do happen, however I suspect you would be unlucky to get it in a supermarket. No matter how many infections there are, supermarkets will not close (however dont give T H ideas though)

    I work in one myself.

    I'd say about 10-15% of my place are currently out with it. It got crazy there last week with the sheer amount of people suddenly out with it at once.

    It's hard to say if it's down to people actually catching it in work. I suspect not in a lot of cases, more often than not people seem to have caught it outside. A lot of the workforce are under 25, so there ain't too much heed paid to the rules and restrictions and a lot of people live together too outside of work, so it kinda makes sense that you' be hearing of people picking it up in clusters, with it being so rampant in the community at large.

    There are others where the source of their infection is harder to pin point, but there does seem to be a link between if it gets into a certain department or section of the workforce and then how many people pick it up.


  • #6913
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Very frustrating. “A few weeks” right now is a lot
    They have access to three vaccines. We'll be up to 2 soon when we get regular supplies of Moderna.


  • #6914
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    I work in one myself.

    I'd say about 10-15% of my place are currently out with it. It got crazy there last week with the sheer amount of people suddenly out with it at once.

    It's hard to say if it's down to people actually catching it in work. I suspect not in a lot of cases, more often than not people seem to have caught it outside. A lot of the workforce are under 25, so there ain't too much heed paid to the rules and restrictions and a lot of people live together too outside of work, so it kinda makes sense that you' be hearing of people picking it up in clusters, with it being so rampant in the community at large.

    There are others where the source of their infection is harder to pin point, but there does seem to be a link between if it gets into a certain department or section of the workforce and then how many people pick it up.

    Since new year where I work, most of those out with covid, or as close contacts, live in shared accommodation


  • #6915
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    babyboom wrote: »
    On the issue of people not telling the truth about where they may have picked up the infection...I am being tested this afternoon having developed mild symptoms. The doctor doesn't think it's Covid but, as i have to look after my 94 year old mother, is sending me for a test just in case. I have literally been nowhere other than the supermarket, my house and my mother's house. I wear a mask, sanitize and keep away from my mother when delivering her shopping. I've met no one, not even for a walk, since long before Christmas. I haven't been in anyone's house, to a coffee shop, pub or restaurant since March. If I do have it, I don't know where I got it. My husband and daughter are working, I drive them both in and out. They may have brought it in to the house but neither have symptoms. I'll be raging if I have it having been so careful.

    Hope it all turns out ok.
    Like to those who went around with not a care in the world who end up getting it? Tough. Brought it on themselves.

    But not nice to hear about someone who genuinely did everything right. So I do hope your test comes out negative.


  • #6916
    babyboom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭babyboom


    Thanks, I suspect it's not Covid but you never know


  • #6917
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Based on the 7 day number has already peaked and the 14 day rate is likely to start falling within the next few days, so would question that data on the current R0

    Yesterdays Update:
    As of Jan 17, 2021, IRELAND has improved to a Stabilized state from a previous state of Spreading. The infection is very slowly decreasing (R = 0.91). There are currently 45,367 active cases. At this rate, expect to see approximately 25,510 new cases and 190 deaths per week. This is the 6th surge in infections, which started on the week of Dec 14, 2020. With 190 new deaths, this is the worst week so far for deaths during this surge. The Contagion Risk is extremely high at 99.1%. This is the likelihood of meeting an infected person during one hundred random encounters. It appears that the level of social distancing has increased dramatically, resulting in lower levels of infection growth. IRELAND is currently on the HotSpot list due to a high increase in deaths. The Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is estimated as 2.0%. This is consistent with the average CFR of 2.3%. Preliminary estimates suggest that 13% of the population may have been infected and are presumed immune. This may be enough to slightly suppress the spread of the virus. This preliminary estimation also implies an Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of roughly 0.4%. The Short-Term Indicator(STI) suggests that the infection is likely to slow somewhat over the next few days.


  • #6918
    acer911
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 570 ✭✭✭acer911


    babyboom wrote: »
    On the issue of people not telling the truth about where they may have picked up the infection...I am being tested this afternoon having developed mild symptoms. The doctor doesn't think it's Covid but, as i have to look after my 94 year old mother, is sending me for a test just in case. I have literally been nowhere other than the supermarket, my house and my mother's house. I wear a mask, sanitize and keep away from my mother when delivering her shopping. I've met no one, not even for a walk, since long before Christmas. I haven't been in anyone's house, to a coffee shop, pub or restaurant since March. If I do have it, I don't know where I got it. My husband and daughter are working, I drive them both in and out. They may have brought it in to the house but neither have symptoms. I'll be raging if I have it having been so careful.

    I would have thought it was pretty obvious that if you have it, you picked it up from your daughter or husband who have been asymptomatic!?

    If they are not working from home it is highly likely that is the source.

    Hope you are in the clear. Best of luck.


  • #6919
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    acer911 wrote: »
    I heard from multiple people about an acquaintances’ family testing positive having only been to the supermarket. Anyway fast forward a few weeks and I was chatting to the acquaintance about it. They were adamant that it had to come from the supermarket, while in conversation they mentioned that their sister was home for Christmas, she worked in healthcare but they had disregarded her as the cause because she didn’t have any symptoms and they hadn’t been in contact for 10 days at the point they showed symptoms.

    Some people just don’t get it.

    I guess that thinking might be reinforced by people only being contact traced for last 2 days. Think in theory source testing goes back 7 days but think it's happening in very limited cases with the pressure on resources. Plus the average being 5 days, but of course people can pick it up after this as it is an average.

    I think it goes back to what another poster was saying as people you know being perceived as being less of a risk than strangers.


  • #6920
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    babyboom wrote: »
    On the issue of people not telling the truth about where they may have picked up the infection...I am being tested this afternoon having developed mild symptoms. The doctor doesn't think it's Covid but, as i have to look after my 94 year old mother, is sending me for a test just in case. I have literally been nowhere other than the supermarket, my house and my mother's house. I wear a mask, sanitize and keep away from my mother when delivering her shopping. I've met no one, not even for a walk, since long before Christmas. I haven't been in anyone's house, to a coffee shop, pub or restaurant since March. If I do have it, I don't know where I got it. My husband and daughter are working, I drive them both in and out. They may have brought it in to the house but neither have symptoms. I'll be raging if I have it having been so careful.
    Any contact is a risk even with all the precautions you are taking. If you do have it, you most likely got it from your husband or daughter. Either of those could be asymptomatic and still pass it on to you. Not that they deserve or you deserve to be blamed for that especially if you and they are being as careful as possible. No precautions are 100% but you don’t deserve blame especially as you seem to have done your best.

    If they are working outside the home, presumably they are in contact with other people. And if they are being as careful as you, and they have no other contacts apart from the household and work colleagues plus members of the public while in work if that is the case, then they most likely contracted it in work.

    If that is your only outside contact with the world apart from the supermarket, it is more likely you would catch it from them rather than anywhere else. Even if your mother has other visitors/contacts, it sounds like you are being very careful there.

    If your husband and daughter were subsequently to test negative, they are still the most likely source of infection as they could have had it but remained asymptomatic while still passing it on to you who becomes symptomatic and they could, if tested later, be negative as they have already cleared it by the time they are tested even though managed to spread it to you.

    Hopefully that will not be the case though and your test will be fine but in your situation, I would not be too mystified about where you got it.


  • #6921
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Called it

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/number-of-covid-19-patients-in-hospitals-exceeds-2-000-for-first-time-1.4461063?mode=amp


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  • #6922
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Called it

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/number-of-covid-19-patients-in-hospitals-exceeds-2-000-for-first-time-1.4461063?mode=amp
    Well, aren't you special!


  • #6923
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Vaccination volumes in the UK are potentially moving toward 4-5 million a week in Feb, and a move back to the tier system in March. My dad, who’s 70, got his letter today for a jab next week. Whatever has gone wrong in the UK in the last 12 months, this is incredible. Luckily I’m still registered with a GP in London.

    How the hell has the EU been so slow to the party with this?????

    Brexit has enabled them to move faster than the EU, without Brexit the UK would very probably not have started using the Oxford vaccine yet and would have started at the same time as the EU with Pfizer. Don't get me wrong, I think the whole Brexit idea was mad as a box of frogs but in this case....


  • #6924
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    OwenM wrote: »
    Brexit has enabled them to move faster than the EU, without Brexit the UK would very probably not have started using the Oxford vaccine yet and would have started at the same time as the EU with Pfizer. Don't get me wrong, I think the whole Brexit idea was mad as a box of frogs but in this case....
    It's actually not Brexit-related at all except that breaking with the EMA was more politically favourable given that the UK was about to leave. Every EU country was free to approve and use the vaccines if they wanted without EMA approval. But they chose not to.


  • #6925
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    OwenM wrote: »
    Brexit has enabled them to move faster than the EU, without Brexit the UK would very probably not have started using the Oxford vaccine yet and would have started at the same time as the EU with Pfizer. Don't get me wrong, I think the whole Brexit idea was mad as a box of frogs but in this case....

    Its nothing to do with Brexit. They're outside of the EU vacination programme as they wanted to do their own deals with suppliers. They had the option to join like every other EU country as it was during the transition period, they decided not to.

    As such they do their own deals and the MHRA approve


  • #6926
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    babyboom wrote: »
    On the issue of people not telling the truth about where they may have picked up the infection...I am being tested this afternoon having developed mild symptoms. The doctor doesn't think it's Covid but, as i have to look after my 94 year old mother, is sending me for a test just in case. I have literally been nowhere other than the supermarket, my house and my mother's house. I wear a mask, sanitize and keep away from my mother when delivering her shopping. I've met no one, not even for a walk, since long before Christmas. I haven't been in anyone's house, to a coffee shop, pub or restaurant since March. If I do have it, I don't know where I got it. My husband and daughter are working, I drive them both in and out. They may have brought it in to the house but neither have symptoms. I'll be raging if I have it having been so careful.

    No disrespect but all the effort you've gone to is a bit futile if you live with two people who are out and about every day working.


  • #6927
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    babyboom wrote: »
    On the issue of people not telling the truth about where they may have picked up the infection...I am being tested this afternoon having developed mild symptoms. The doctor doesn't think it's Covid but, as i have to look after my 94 year old mother, is sending me for a test just in case. I have literally been nowhere other than the supermarket, my house and my mother's house. I wear a mask, sanitize and keep away from my mother when delivering her shopping. I've met no one, not even for a walk, since long before Christmas. I haven't been in anyone's house, to a coffee shop, pub or restaurant since March. If I do have it, I don't know where I got it. My husband and daughter are working, I drive them both in and out. They may have brought it in to the house but neither have symptoms. I'll be raging if I have it having been so careful.

    First off, I hope your test comes back clear and you start to feel better.

    I dont think you are making the point you think you are making. In fact, you might be proving the point about all these anecdotes around people only being in shopping centres. You start off by saying you have only been in a shopping centre and have met nobody since before christmas. However the fact that two other people in your household are still going to work means its far more likely it came from one of them (they may be asymptomatic)


  • #6928
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,135 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    OwenM wrote: »
    Brexit has enabled them to move faster than the EU, without Brexit the UK would very probably not have started using the Oxford vaccine yet and would have started at the same time as the EU with Pfizer. Don't get me wrong, I think the whole Brexit idea was mad as a box of frogs but in this case....

    this is not true at all.

    UK approved Oxford under EU rules. So no Brexit impact.

    The difference with the UK is they didn't sign up to the bulk purchase plan with Europe - which the declined while part of the EU - so they purchased their own supply. Again, a decision made while in the EU. Ireland could have done the same but would have ment competing with the EU (and UK, and US and others) for the orders and thus cost more, with the possibility that if Ireland break away then so do France, and then so do Germany - and Ireland can't compete with EVERYONE.

    Everything the UK did, was done within the EU rulebook and guidelines. Brexit had nothing to do with it.


  • #6929
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Crazy pace the UK is going at . Spring time will look good over there


  • #6930
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Seems like bit of an understatement tbh.

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1351178461734432774


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  • #6931
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    seamus wrote: »
    It's actually not Brexit-related at all except that breaking with the EMA was more politically favourable given that the UK was about to leave. Every EU country was free to approve and use the vaccines if they wanted without EMA approval. But they chose not to.

    But it is a political reason related to EU membership that has caused no member state to approve AZ independently. A member state approving the very safe AZ vaccine prior to the European medicines agency doing so, would undermine the EU project of ever increasing unity.


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