Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2020/2021

fyfe79 · 17-01-2021 08:32PM

happyoutscan wrote: »

Front 3 are not clicking so do something about it. Firmino could not have any complaints if he was subbed today at halftime. Not one.

Give Minamino a fecking chance, he can't be any worse than Firmino was first half. We were pretty much parked in their half for most of the game anyway, not like we were overly relying on his workrate.

Firmino misplaced about 3 simple passes within the first 15 mins... really set the tone for his performance. He's either 'on it' for totally woeful. Taki must be really struggling in training if he can't get a game.

ebbsy · 17-01-2021 08:33PM

Pepp1989 wrote: »

Origi over taki is fairly shocking indictment. Is the writing on the wall for Taki?

Also was Bobby always that bad at striking the ball.

Hes too busy with his sunglasses range.

Utopia Parkway · 17-01-2021 08:35PM

This is the first time that I can remember where all the front three are not playing well at the same time. Usually if one of them was in a slump the other two would still be performing.

17-01-2021 08:43PM

awec wrote: »

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City win their 2 in hand and they're 4 clear, so we'd need a flawless season and for them to fail to win twice.

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City aren't better than 2ppg thus season either. You could be well off flawless to haul them back from 4 pts ahead to be fair.

citytillidie · 17-01-2021 08:47PM

Augeo wrote: »

City aren't better than 2ppg thus season either. You could be well off flawless to haul them back from 4 pts ahead to be fair.

Man City are on 2ppg before tonight's game

17-01-2021 08:56PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Man City are on 2ppg before tonight's game

Yeah & I said they weren't better than that

They win tonight and they go just better.... Like they aren't anywhere near flawless and are unlikely so return to last seasons form for the rest of the season.

Girly Gal · 17-01-2021 08:58PM

It's City's to lose now, they had a poor start to the season, but have got their act together lately, not conceding many goals and starting to score again. I think they'll have a strong finish to the season and won't drop that many points.
I know it's early in the season, but, we've dropped too many points against teams we should be beating easily, our form is terrible and at this rate we'll struggle to make the top 4. We're even struggling to get shots on target, In the Palace game we had 8 shots on target and scored 7, we've hardly had 8 shots on target in all the games since. We can't continue with both Fabinho and Henderson at CB, we can just about get away with Fabinho at CB, but, not Henderson too, it takes too much away from the team.

~Rebel~ · 17-01-2021 09:07PM

fyfe79 wrote: »

Strangest thing is why Taki hasn't been seen since the Palace game. Should've been on for Bobby after 60 mins, but instead Divock comes on who has shown nada in all his appearances this season.

He started against Villa's kids and really wasn't great. Shaq came on for him on the hour mark and was significantly more effective.

I can see the merit in 10 minutes for Divock - a bigger physical presence. He's less likely to change the style and flow of a game than Minamino, but much more likely to do something in a moment, which is what you want more of in the closing stages.

Div Vs Taki isn't ever really a choice between players, it's a choice between styles. Taki Vs Shaq is more of a choice between players. Was a bit surprised we opted to change styles by bringing on Milner for Shaq, instead of just changing players by bringing Taki on instead.

rob316 · 17-01-2021 09:08PM

We absolutely have to buy a centre back and get fabinho and henderson back into midfield. We are in serious danger of been dragged into a top 4 fight, it's incredibly tight up there.

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 17-01-2021 09:08PM

Retaining the title this year:

Agent Coulson · 17-01-2021 09:08PM

When VVD was fit and played the team set up with a super highline & press with VVD and Matip/Gomez playing at the center circle both Robbo and TAA played in the opposition half.

Right now we defend deep in our own half and how often do you see the fullback play in the opposition half now, both TAA & Robbo spend more time in their own half defending since VVD was injured.

The reason we could play the super highline & press was because Fab was there to protect that highline and now Fab is back in CB and the highline is no more.

What we are missing now is that highline and the press in the opposition half.

radiata · 17-01-2021 09:11PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Ole talking about how far they've come LOL We're dropped down 5 levels to theirs, they haven't climbed up 5 levels to ours.

I'd still prefer to be in there position over Liverpools

BorneTobyWilde · 17-01-2021 09:13PM

Jose has had more points with United after 18 games (41) and he was sacked, yet Ole brags about how far they've come. Anyone with a brain can see the MASSIVE drop back for Liverpool, not a massive step forward for United, Leicester, City, Spurs, Everton.
This is all down to Liverpool and our injuries.

Harry Palmr · 17-01-2021 09:14PM

Sh1t comeback game for me.

The defence is fine and has been throughout this slump. Everything that's wrong is in the opposition half.

TAA's attack has fallen off a cliff, remember when he would and did cut inside and float a brilliant ball into Mane's path? He isn't even able to get past his nominal marker with genuine threat these days.

Thiago/Shaq did well in the circumstances but both were running out of puff understandably as the game opened up a bit.

The front three are a real conundrum, they are too flat and high up in attack - end up just adding another body in a crowded zone as oppositions defend both deep and narrow, someone has to stay deeper/wider to make a run - Thiago showed from No 6 position a glimpse of an alternative approach. The way Lampard once did that was hugely effective. The other thing that's lacking is simply control in or near the area, balls bouncing off shins all too often.

BorneTobyWilde · 17-01-2021 09:20PM

radiata wrote: »

I'd still prefer to be in there position over Liverpools

I wouldn't. Jota will be back soon, as will VVD, Fab in midfield.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKJN4f_A1Ij/

giveitholly · 17-01-2021 09:20PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I wouldn't. Jota will be back soon, as will VVD, Fab in midfield.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKJN4f_A1Ij/

Vvd won't be back this season

~Rebel~ · 17-01-2021 09:24PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I wouldn't. Jota will be back soon, as will VVD, Fab in midfield.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKJN4f_A1Ij/

Zero chance VVD has any meaningful impact on this season, and its most likely (and preferable) that he won't be back at all.

That's just not how cruciates work. No matter how good he feels, one wrong twist and it's another 9 months out.

Agent Coulson · 17-01-2021 09:24PM

Recovering in Saudi a nice place to get away from the pandemic as well.

Muahahaha · 17-01-2021 09:26PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

When VVD was fit and played the team set up with a super highline & press with VVD and Matip/Gomez playing at the center circle both Robbo and TAA played in the opposition half.

Right now we defend deep in our own half and how often do you see the fullback play in the opposition half now, both TAA & Robbo spend more time in their own half defending since VVD was injured.

The reason we could play the super highline & press was because Fab was there to protect that highline and now Fab is back in CB and the highline is no more.

What we are missing now is that highline and the press in the opposition half.

All correct but what can Klopp do to change it up? Only thing I can think of is reverting to the heavy metal style we played before VVD joined. Problem with that though it two fold, the front 3 are not on it plus it means running them into the ground. Its remarkable how none of them have suffered a long term injury.

The only other option is to trust one of the kids at CB alongside Fab in order to get Hendo back into midfield. But thats only fixing some of the problem when Fab is still at CB.

Hate to say it but we are very short on options to stop this rut. The front 3 looked like they had the weight of the world on their shoulders today, they are completely devoid of confidence right now. Jota cant come back soon enough but its a tall ask for him to turn things around on his own.

fyfe79 · 17-01-2021 09:31PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Zero chance VVD has any meaningful impact on this season, and its most likely (and preferable) that he won't be back at all.

That's just not how cruciates work. No matter how good he feels, one wrong twist and it's another 9 months out.

Yep. Even in that little video, he would've been instructed by the physio to move in a straight line and not dart to the left or right. A cruciate is a terrible injury - the victim feels fine after a few weeks but needs to be totally guided on what they can and cannot do, and need to be very strong-willed to follow professional advice to overcome it. At this stage, I'd be happy NOT to see VVD this season... I want him 100% for the new season.

Osmosis Jones · 17-01-2021 09:33PM

What if we tried doing away with the notion of a Front 3 for a couple games? Back when we still had Coutinho we often played a 442 with himself and Mane out wide, Bobby and Salah up top, we could give something like that a go. Might be a good solution to Trent's attacking woes too, to have someone playing a more traditional wide midfielder role in front of him.

Alisson
TAA-Fab-Henderson-Robertson
Ox-Wijnaldum-Thiago-Mane
Salah-Firmino

Alternatively Mane up front alongside Salah, Bobby on the bench, and Minamino on the left.

SlickRic · 17-01-2021 09:34PM

Just your weekly reminder that Fabinho isn't a CB.

That is all.

machiavellianme · 17-01-2021 09:34PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Zero chance VVD has any meaningful impact on this season, and its most likely (and preferable) that he won't be back at all.

That's just not how cruciates work. No matter how good he feels, one wrong twist and it's another 9 months out.

Unless the season is deferred again, but that's unlikely now.
Plus, I'd hate to see him back and then get injured again at the euros.

Agent Coulson · 17-01-2021 09:36PM

The main objective/miracle the team need is for Matip and Keita to stay fit for a prolonged period of time as when they play the team plays at a different level.

Harry Palmr · 17-01-2021 09:43PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

What if we tried doing away with the notion of a Front 3 for a couple games? Back when we still had Coutinho we often played a 442 with himself and Mane out wide, Bobby and Salah up top, we could give something like that a go. Might be a good solution to Trent's attacking woes too, to have someone playing a more traditional wide midfielder role in front of him.
Alisson
TAA-Fab-Henderson-Robertson
Ox-Wijnaldum-Thiago-Mane
Salah-Firmino

Alternatively Mane up front alongside Salah, Bobby on the bench, and Minamino on the left.

It's not ever going to happen but when Jota is back

TAA---Matip--Fabby--Robbo

Thiago

Hendo

Gini

Shaqiri

Mane

Jota

Kelleher, N Williams, Tsimikas, Jones, Ox, Minamino, Firmino, Salah and maybe Naby (or probably Milner)!

fyfe79 · 17-01-2021 09:45PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The main objective/miracle the team need is for Matip and Keita to stay fit for a prolonged period of time as when they play the team plays at a different level.

My main objective is to win the lotto.

Which is more likely to happen?

Shanee. · 17-01-2021 09:45PM

I dont care what any Liverpool fan says, we need a CB (or two) its very simple to see. Front 3 not in form is an issue but for the last 2 years our defence has been our first point of attack VVD / Gomez spraying balls to TAA/Robbo who would be playing way further up. We need Fab & Hendo back into the middle alongside Thiago. TAA out of form but he doesnt have VVD or a commanding CB alongside him allowing him to press further up. I have been saying it for weeks and will continue to say it we need to sign a CB in the next 2 weeks or we will be looking at similar performances for the rest of the season. You just simply cannot win a league with two of your best midfielders playing as makeshift CB's.

On todays game, I'll happily take a draw as beforehand I was sure Matip would play after seeing him train yesterday, so when team news came out I was not at all confident. Henderson is such a vital cog in our midfield that was missed him massively - he did a great job at CB today dont get me wrong but he provides way more in terms of creativity then Gini. All in all an okay point, but we really need to get things back on track if we are to have any hope of retaining the title this season. Sooner Jota is back the better, Bobby looks completely out of sorts.

yourdeadwright · 17-01-2021 09:48PM

Just need Jota back he will spice up the front 3

Be fantastic is Matip amd Keita could stay fit

giveitholly · 17-01-2021 09:50PM

If we don't sign a centrehalf then I think we struggle for top 4

koppy · 17-01-2021 09:52PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It's not ever going to happen but when Jota is back

TAA---Matip--Fabby--Robbo
Thiago
Hendo
Gini
Shaqiri
Mane
Jota

Kelleher, N Williams, Tsimikas, Jones, Ox, Minamino, Firmino, Salah and maybe Naby (or probably Milner)!

Shaq best is not good enough. Not consistent enough. Couple of 5 minute spells here and there . No where near good enough.

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