Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

tom1ie wrote: »

Brilliant.
Why we are not employing this method here is infuriating.
I know people will harp on about the border with NI but you can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We MUST start somewhere.

You need have people onside, there’s always a small minority will ruin it for everyone else.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-australia-55471235

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/nsw-man-who-labelled-covid19-a-hoax-charged-twice-for-not-wearing-a-face-mask/news-story/db238cb93844169ea114a6c315a9dd52

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Mandatory quarantine and actions like those in NZ and Aus are dangerous steps in my eyes.

It is really not how European democracies operate and shouldn't be.

Look at Australian immigration and drug laws in general, they are extreme.

We should not be trying to mimic stuff like that in our society.

Just like China was so successful with its operation, we surely don't envy their citizens.

We need a pragmatic and open approach, it is not going to perfect but the other option will lead us down a very risky and destructive path in the long run

Normally I’d agree with you but everybody is getting fed up with these restrictions. Not only that but it’s having very negative impacts on certain folks. The extra steps shouldn’t be in place forever. Just until everyone is vaccinated.

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Mandatory quarantine and actions like those in NZ and Aus are dangerous steps in my eyes.

It is really not how European democracies operate and shouldn't be.

Look at Australian immigration and drug laws in general, they are extreme.

We should not be trying to mimic stuff like that in our society.

Just like China was so successful with its operation, we surely don't envy their citizens.

We need a pragmatic and open approach, it is not going to perfect but the other option will lead us down a very risky and destructive path in the long run

Maybe redundant now, given the European governments are pinning hopes on vaccination, but the seriousness of the situation convinces me that such steps are/were justified. Maybe it helps to consider this situation as akin to a war (?)
It does for me anyway. In such a crisis, governments have to be trusted with the powers they need to bring the country through it successfully.
I suppose there's a choice, take the risk that government abuse the power (e.g. refuse to relinquish it later etc) or just accept failure because they won't have all the tools needed to overcome the crisis anyway.
It's obvious now that more authoritarian actions around travel + operation of testing/tracing/isolation were needed to actually succeed in controlling the virus. More enforcing the correct actions, instead of recommending & appealing to common sense/better nature etc.

Arghus wrote: »

If we'd been invaded by aliens in late March I think I would have scarcely batted an eye.

It seems totally incredible to me now that everyone spent that evening as though it were just like any other. From the railway station came the sound of shunting trains, ringing and rumbling, softened almost into melody by the distance. It all seemed so safe and tranquil...

Ireland facing longest lockdown yet as hospitality sector expected to remain closed until April

The Government is only expected to allow schools and the construction sector to reopen before March and even this is dependent on the number of new cases and the situation in hospitals.

A senior government source admitted last night it is "50-50" on whether there will be an easing of restrictions on these two sectors next month.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/ireland-facing-longest-lockdown-yet-as-hospitality-sector-expected-to-remain-closed-until-april-39976303.html

On the one hand you could say this is prudent from the government

It might be a case of under promise and the row back later on

However this strategy could also backfire

Three months minimum of lockdown before yet another painfully slow reopening

Even with all nursing homes, hcws, over 70s vaccinated so the most vulnerable won't be getting COVID

Another three months of not seeing friends, family, partners etc

Then no social outlets until the summer

Very hard to keep people on side and at home with nothing to change for months on end

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Ireland facing longest lockdown yet as hospitality sector expected to remain closed until April

The Government is only expected to allow schools and the construction sector to reopen before March and even this is dependent on the number of new cases and the situation in hospitals.

A senior government source admitted last night it is "50-50" on whether there will be an easing of restrictions on these two sectors next month.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/ireland-facing-longest-lockdown-yet-as-hospitality-sector-expected-to-remain-closed-until-april-39976303.html

On the one hand you could say this is prudent from the government

It might be a case of under promise and the row back later on

However this strategy could also backfire

Three months minimum of lockdown before yet another painfully slow reopening

Even with all nursing homes, hcws, over 70s vaccinated so the most vulnerable won't be getting COVID

Another three months of not seeing friends, family, partners etc

Then no social outlets until the summer

Very hard to keep people on side and at home with nothing to change for months on end

What choice do the people have with everything closed and the Gards issuing fines!!??

It was always going to be after Easter before restaurants etc were allowed open, only end up with a miniature Christmas, schools, construction, retail will be gradually opened next month

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Three weeks in, and talk of at least 3 months and as long as a year is difficult for a lot of people.

It's called managing expectations. Some of it may well be wrong but to their credit they are not going down the Bojo route of it continually promising it will be over really, really soon.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Three weeks in, and talk of at least 3 months and as long as a year is difficult for a lot of people.

Yeah it is and is a very difficult sell all around

For example since the original level three on 6th october say to the end of March is 176 days

Out of all that time intercounty travel has only been permitted from december 18th - 26th

Very tough having any friends, family, partners etc living in other counties

is_that_so wrote: »

It's called managing expectations. Some of it may well be wrong but to their credit they are not going down the Bojo route of it continually promising it will be over really, really soon.

I know that is what they are trying to do, but I also know that makes a lot of people despair particularly in the dark months. Many people did not go mad over Christmas.

To be fair to Stephen Donnelly (I am not a fan) he is being Uber positive on the vaccination programme and setting what he sees as reasonable expectations to the HSE.

xhomelezz wrote: »

You don't need to seal the border, just fùcking make it as uncomfortable to travel as possible.

We do not control what the North do.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

We do not control what the North do.

And??

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I know that is what they are trying to do, but I also know that makes a lot of people despair particularly in the dark months. Many people did not go mad over Christmas.

To be fair to Stephen Donnelly (I am not a fan) he is being Uber positive on the vaccination programme and setting what he sees as reasonable expectations to the HSE.

People despair for different reasons.

If there's an end point for regulations people will book meals for the day after. If they then get cancelled due to regulations being extended people will despair.

I think it's a lot better to be honest about your expectations.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Which means your plan (ZC) is completely workable.

I have no plan, but since this shīt started, all covid related threads on boards heard all possible excuses border related. But we still have endless checkpoints inland.