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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #6422
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    pauly58 wrote: »
    If we had done the same as NZ & Australia months ago , we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. I see the UK are talking about it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9155859/Hotel-quarantines-proposed-UK-arrivals-check-travellers-properly-isolating.html#reader-comments

    44,000 people coming here into airports at Christmas & who knows how many from the UK coming in through the ports was utter madness.

    Read a figure the other day that it was closer to 150,000.


  • #6423
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Hubertj wrote: »
    You’re probably correct but it still isn’t something I agree with.

    A lot of people don’t agree but then a lot of people think the whole thing is a hoax.

    There were few people on the radio the other day talking their experiences including a nurse who had been on waiting list for 8 weeks and having to quarantine over Christmas and New year as being the most anxious time of her life....but having returned from the UK and now living a degree of normality she says that it’s definitely worth it but she now wishes she returned last April.


  • #6424
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    accensi0n wrote: »
    Hopefully, that would be a good thing.

    Not so sure it is?

    A lot of people out there not knowing they have Covid and spreading it (unknowingly).

    Grand if majority have mild/no symptoms but there will always be a small minority who get very ill and will need hospitalization (and/or will die).


  • #6425
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pauly58 wrote: »
    If we had done the same as NZ & Australia months ago , we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. I see the UK are talking about it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9155859/Hotel-quarantines-proposed-UK-arrivals-check-travellers-properly-isolating.html#reader-comments

    44,000 people coming here into airports at Christmas & who knows how many from the UK coming in through the ports was utter madness.

    And it's estimated more than 50% of cases currently are attributed to the British variant. "Stay at home", pontificates Tony, "don't you know the virus loves alcohol". It also loves a host for carrying more infectious mutations from overseas through airports, tens of thousands of them for insurance. I'm rather fatigued with Holohan's petty hypocrisy and aggressive blame game towards certain sectors of society that didn't warrant it.


  • #6426
    deisedevil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    Is it possible to see the number of people that tested positive in hospitals. As in, how many went to hospital to be treated for something other than Covid and tested positive in hospital?


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  • #6427
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Talking of Australia, more cases caught in chartered flights to Melbourne for the Australian Open. People on the flights now have to quarantine in their hotel room for the full two weeks, when previously the players were being given and exemption and were being allowed out of their hotel room to train for a few hours a day.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1190138/


  • #6428
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Talking of Australia, more cases caught in chartered flights to Melbourne for the Australian Open. People on the flights now have to quarantine in their hotel room for the full two weeks, when previously the players were being given and exemption and were being allowed out of their hotel room to train for a few hours a day.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1190138/

    Australia and NZ employ a mature approach with impressive results, in Ireland we have the soft touch "we recommend you isolate..." without any sort of enforcement. Now I'm not an advocate for overreach by government, however when hundreds of thousands of jobs are sacrificed for the "greater good" then this laissez faire mentality at ports rankles. We now have several transmissible variants thriving in Ireland that never should be allowed a foothold in the first place. Prolonging the lockdown and economic turmoil for many. Some of the usual suspects here working from home would stridently argue otherwise, they're saving more than ever and don't desire for this lockdown to end anytime soon. Each to their own naturally, but I'm under no illusions many are in their comfort zone at present.


  • #6429
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And it's estimated more than 50% of cases currently are attributed to the British variant. "Stay at home", pontificates Tony, "don't you know the virus loves alcohol". It also loves a host for carrying more infectious mutations from overseas through airports, tens of thousands of them for insurance. I'm rather fatigued with Holohan's petty hypocrisy and aggressive blame game towards certain sectors of society that didn't warrant it.

    They put the ability of the "best and brightest" to come back home and drink pints and have turkey with their mammy ahead of the rest of the population who have been under restrictions all year


  • #6430
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And it's estimated more than 50% of cases currently are attributed to the British variant. "Stay at home", pontificates Tony, "don't you know the virus loves alcohol". It also loves a host for carrying more infectious mutations from overseas through airports, tens of thousands of them for insurance. I'm rather fatigued with Holohan's petty hypocrisy and aggressive blame game towards certain sectors of society that didn't warrant it.

    Dr Holohan has talked plenty about the dangers of travel. NPHET have consistently recommended restrictions on foreign travel but political leadership feel happy to ignore it.


  • #6431
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Australia and NZ employ a mature approach with impressive results, in Ireland we have the soft touch "we recommend you isolate..." without any sort of enforcement. Now I'm not an advocate for overreach by government, however when hundreds of thousands of jobs are sacrificed for the "greater good" then this laissez faire approach at ports rankles. We now have several more transmissible variants thriving in Ireland that never should be allowed a foothold in the first place. Prolonging the lockdown and economic turmoil for many. Some of the usual suspects here working from home would stridently argue otherwise, they're saving more than ever and don't desire for this lockdown to end anytime soon. Each to their own naturally, but I'm under no illusions many are in their comfort zone at present.

    I do agree that there are a few who want to keep international travel as open as possible, as it personally benefits them. There were people who are working remotely so can just bring their laptop when them, fly off and work wherever. Also, they don’t have the problem of doing the two weeks restriction of movement as they WFH.


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  • #6432
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    It's better to have one, last, long lockdown rather than open, close, open, close etc etc. People could buy into that plan, I think.

    I've been in lockdown since October. Those 3 weeks before Christmas count for nothing. My family we knew we were going to be back to level 5 after Christmas so we said whats the fkn point and did nothing.

    By April this will be over 6 months of continuous lockdown.

    Beach too far away, not a game of golf, nothing. Just work couch and shut the fk up we know best.

    I'm going up the walls here.


  • #6433
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭jackboy


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I've been in lockdown since October. Those 3 weeks before Christmas count for nothing. My family we knew we were going to be back to level 5 after Christmas so we said whats the fkn point and did nothing.

    By April this will be over 6 months of continuous lockdown.

    Beach too far away, not a game of golf, nothing. Just work couch and shut the fk up we know best.

    I'm going up the walls here.

    You would have got great sympathy for this if you didn’t mention golf 😂


  • #6434
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    All good, thanks for asking! We all finished our isolation last Monday.

    None of our symptoms (all four of us) were 'classic' Covid symptoms that would automatically trigger a Covid test....no temperatures or coughs! GP just sent us for testing because I have asthma.

    I spoke to a number of people last week (....on the phone....) who said they felt a bit under the weather, a few aches and pains, etc., but, as they did not have a temperature, it couldn't be Covid!

    Our symptoms and from what I hear from others would make me worry that Covid is much more rampant than testing is showing up at the moment!

    Good to hear your doing well. Your story ties in with that Irish times article yesterday that had multiple suggestions from GPs about them seeing much different symptoms showing now for people testing positive.


  • #6435
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    jackboy wrote: »
    You would have got great sympathy for this if you didn’t mention golf 😂

    Fair enough :)

    But really whats wrong with it? Seems a rather safe and healthy thing to be doing?


  • #6436
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭jackboy


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Fair enough :)

    But really whats wrong with it? Seems a rather safe and healthy thing to be doing?

    I agree. It is nonsense stopping golf. Just shut the clubhouse and there is almost no risk


  • #6437
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    jackboy wrote: »
    I agree. It is nonsense stopping golf. Just shut the clubhouse and there is almost no risk

    People can't be trusted to not all arrive in one car to the course.

    It's sad but it's the truth.


  • #6438
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,088 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Hubertj wrote: »
    I don’t think it is right to detain people for 2 weeks. My aunt had to do it recently returning to Australia and said it was a very traumatic experience. Must be a more sustainable way to monitor.

    It has to be done.
    If we want all our services and industry open a 2 week enforced quarantine is needed. Traumatic or not.
    By the way what the hell is traumatic about having to stay in a hotel for 2 weeks?


  • #6439
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    People can't be trusted to all arrive in one car to the course.

    It's sad but it's the truth.

    Lets not get into that, it will go nowhere.

    Fact is its been 3 months already. That nuclear option gets a bit old now.
    Especially when you watched them squandering every chance we had to figure out what works and what doesnt.


  • #6440
    Hubertj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    So if mandatory quarantine is introduced for airports and ports how is the border area handled? Deploy the army to man checkpoints on all roads?


  • #6441
    Oscar Bravo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,440 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Belmullet Co.Mayo


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  • #6442
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,088 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Yeah fairly normal here in Sydney anyway everything is open, there were restrictions on certain areas like Northern Beaches for 3 weeks but they have been lifted. Most cafes, Pubs and restaurants have 1 person 4m2 of indoor space and 1 person per 2m2 outdoor. We all wearing masks indoor public place like shops etc unless eating. Outdoor is fine.

    Most people do the right thing, cops will fine you for sure but they will usually give a warning unless your really dumb but even members of the public will pull people up when they not doing the right thing.

    You have to quarantine at your own cost originally the government paid for it but now travellers are made to pay themselves, the government advised all Australians to return home last year or they might face difficulty, due to public pressure the government had to reduce the intake by 50% until they start vaccinating airport and quarantine workers next month. There was just too many infected people coming in and that’s just not acceptable.

    Hopefully when majority is vaccinated in September might see some international travel, most people here are not that fussed on that this year just happy they have some sort of normality at home.

    Brilliant.
    Why we are not employing this method here is infuriating.
    I know people will harp on about the border with NI but you can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We MUST start somewhere.


  • #6443
    Purple Papillon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Purple Papillon


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Good to hear your doing well. Your story ties in with that Irish times article yesterday that had multiple suggestions from GPs about them seeing much different symptoms showing now for people testing positive.

    Will the hse be updating the covid symptoms list?

    Covid scares me so much now. It looks like it's changing in nature to cold like symptoms instead of flu like symptoms but it can still cause SARS. It's a like a killer cold. The population is now more at risk from fu(kwits thinking covid is a mild cold and there's no need for isolation and lockdowns conveniently forgetting about SARS.

    I following a young tiktok lady and she has covid. She showed us what the breathlessness was like. Its very scary. It looked as if she had just ran a marathon and she was out of breath but she didn't run a marathon, she went for a shower. Young, fit, skinny, healthy and unable to breathe at home.


  • #6444
    john_doe.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭john_doe.


    My wife is health care worker and got it.

    Honestly governments handling of this including HSE is diabolical. What they done in December was totally brainless - any half brain could see this coming.

    General messaging was let's all have a wee break for xmas along with masses coming home from UK. People can say that's not what taoiseach said - but that was the perceived message by public - and those in government need to be able to have intelligence to know this.

    Serious questions need to be asked of government- the strategy deployed for 2020 was thrown out the window in December , if u're method is suppression till vaccine - follow that!! Those angry with quarantine for 2020 have right to be , lot of effort was wasted with mass infections over December.

    HSE handling has also been very poor. Surgical masks given to HCW as PPE, beyond belief really - they deemed this protection. "Ireland's call" - hmmm.

    People can clap and praise HCWs but their actions and the government actions says more than the claps. They will be long forgotten after the pandemic ends.

    I'm not any way politically affiliated - after this pandemic I would struggle to see who I would vote for. People can say ya but other political leaders are as bad- but asking for equal poor leadership is not what we should aspire to.


  • #6445
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Mandatory quarantine and actions like those in NZ and Aus are dangerous steps in my eyes.

    It is really not how European democracies operate and shouldn't be.

    Look at Australian immigration and drug laws in general, they are extreme.

    We should not be trying to mimic stuff like that in our society.

    Just like China was so successful with its operation, we surely don't envy their citizens.

    We need a pragmatic and open approach, it is not going to perfect but the other option will lead us down a very risky and destructive path in the long run


  • #6446
    [Deleted User]
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    It’s pretty clear listening to Dominic Raab on Times Radio this morning that the mandatory quarantine suggestion is just cover for what is the real intent of bringing in GPS tracking of arrivals to ensure that they quarantine at home


  • #6447
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Australia. What it has to do with Covid in Ireland is another matter.

    But this thread is full of discussion about covid (or lack of it) in other countries, so what is wrong with posting a few pics of what it can be like in better circumstances!


  • #6448
    john_doe.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭john_doe.


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Mandatory quarantine and actions like those in NZ and Aus are dangerous steps in my eyes.

    It is really not how European democracies operate and shouldn't be.

    Look at Australian immigration and drug laws in general, they are extreme.

    We should not be trying to mimic stuff like that in our society.

    Just like China was so successful with its operation, we surely don't envy their citizens.

    We need a pragmatic and open approach, it is not going to perfect but the other option will lead us down a very risky and destructive path in the long run

    I think the issue was our approach was not pragmatic,
    supression till vaccine was our strategy - openly admitted to by government. Who then opened the flood gates in December. Stragecially they made absolute mess of this as they took a strategy then abandoned it for few weeks - can't do that with virus.

    Regardless of what Auz or NZ are doing - they are at least executiing a strategy.


  • #6449
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Mandatory quarantine and actions like those in NZ and Aus are dangerous steps in my eyes.

    It is really not how European democracies operate and shouldn't be.

    Look at Australian immigration and drug laws in general, they are extreme.

    We should not be trying to mimic stuff like that in our society.

    Just like China was so successful with its operation, we surely don't envy their citizens.

    We need a pragmatic and open approach, it is not going to perfect but the other option will lead us down a very risky and destructive path in the long run

    So is it more European to have boyfriends/girlfriends/partners not be able to see each other for months because they don’t live together? Or grandparents not be able to hug their grandchildren? Or special needs children, or indeed children in general, not be getting an education for months at a time?

    No, as Europeans, we couldn’t possibly ask people, who shouldn’t be doing non essential travel during a global pandemic anyway, to stay in a nice hotel room for two weeks. We’ll just make the people suffer for 12 months, who are living here and abiding by all the rules :rolleyes:


  • #6450
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Mandatory quarantine and actions like those in NZ and Aus are dangerous steps in my eyes.

    It is really not how European democracies operate and shouldn't be.

    Look at Australian immigration and drug laws in general, they are extreme.

    We should not be trying to mimic stuff like that in our society.

    Just like China was so successful with its operation, we surely don't envy their citizens.

    We need a pragmatic and open approach, it is not going to perfect but the other option will lead us down a very risky and destructive path in the long run

    Pragmatic and open approach, that's definitely something we don't do here.

    Quarantines should've been implemented much earlier imo, we have empty hotels, maybe giving some use to them would be wise thing to do.


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  • #6451
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Purple Papillon wrote: »
    Will the hse be updating the covid symptoms list?

    Covid scares me so much now. It looks like it's changing in nature to cold like symptoms instead of flu like symptoms but it can still cause SARS. It's a like a killer cold. The population is now more at risk from fu(kwits thinking covid is a mild cold and there's no need for isolation and lockdowns conveniently forgetting about SARS.

    I following a young tiktok lady and she has covid. She showed us what the breathlessness was like. Its very scary. It looked as if she had just ran a marathon and she was out of breath but she didn't run a marathon, she went for a shower. Young, fit, skinny, healthy and unable to breathe at home.

    I'm sorry but the vast majority of people who catch covid will be OK.

    Many don't even know they have it.

    Our immune systems have been fighting viruses and diseases for 100s of years.

    That's why we have immune systems.

    This is no different.


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