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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #6272
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Stheno wrote: »
    There were about 32 hospital identified infections today

    There were over 3000 positive infections

    Do the math

    I don't care about positive infections, I care about hospital numbers only. Forget about the positive case numbers.


  • #6273
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    Given how bad the situation is here, could we not just buy a couple of billion worth of BioNTech or Moderna vaccines outside the the EU programme and just vaccinate the entire country pronto ?

    I don’t think we are going to be able to get out of this any other way. It’s vaccines or nothing.

    It’s going to cost us probably €35 billion or so this year anyway.

    It seems frustratingly slow.


  • #6274
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Stheno wrote: »
    Its likely we will have a very phased reopening

    Tbh we probably need it

    Totally agree but staying in level 5 until April. Out of 6 months we will have been in lockdown for all of it bar 3 weeks. Its not realistic or viable.


  • #6275
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I could understand keeping hospitality shut that long but I would hope that once cases get down to sub 5-600 and have a good bit more vaccinated that they'd be looking to reopen non essential retail, hairdressers, gyms etc


  • #6276
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Datacore wrote: »
    Given how bad the situation is here, could we not just buy a couple of billion worth of BioNTech or Moderna vaccines outside the the EU programme and just vaccinate the entire country pronto ?

    I don’t think we are going to be able to get out of this any other way. It’s vaccines or nothing.

    It’s going to cost us probably €35 billion or so this year anyway.

    No we can't. Not how it works.

    Theres no deliveries outside of the EU deal until the EU contracts are fulfilled


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  • #6277
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Was Dublin ever out of L 3 ? Being honest at this stage I can’t remember .


  • #6278
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    No we can't. Not how it works.

    It’s likely going to end up that way anyway. The EU programme just isn’t moving fast enough at all and we have completely hosed the possibility of maintaining a functioning society and economy while this virus is still active at the level it’s at now.

    The outcome of this is probably going to be economic disaster as well as 60+ people dead every day.


  • #6279
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    do people want to open up & go back to level 5 within 2-3 weeks?
    No point lifting restrictions while cases are in the thousands with a far more contagious strain.

    get down to cases as low as possible & then start testing everyone who enters the country.

    Many people saying we cant do the same as Australia & NZ are probably the same one's saying last september there would be no more lockdowns.
    Well we have 2 since then unfortunately.

    Hopefully our dumb goverment learn from previous mistakes but I doubt it,


  • #6280
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,732 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Datacore wrote: »
    Given how bad the situation is here, could we not just buy a couple of billion worth of BioNTech or Moderna vaccines outside the the EU programme and just vaccinate the entire country pronto ?

    I don’t think we are going to be able to get out of this any other way. It’s vaccines or nothing.

    It’s going to cost us probably €35 billion or so this year anyway.

    It seems frustratingly slow.

    I suspect theres no more vaccine available at the moment. you could order loads but I suspect delivery wouldn't be until late 3rd quarter anyway.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #6281
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Where are you getting the information that that percentage is actually nosocomial / hospital acquired infection .
    Colm Henry has stated that up to 50% of Covid in hospital are patients that have tested positive in hospital , OR acquired it in hospital .
    Clusters in hospital among those that test positive on day 3 to 6 are traced to see if they are connected to any patient contact or staff members , or any family contacts or in the community .
    This is to ensure tyatallclusters are tracked and traced to prevent anyfurtherissuesif indeed ahospitalacquired infection.
    Those that test positive before that , up to day 2 , are acquired in the community .

    Noone is denying that there are some hospital acquired infections , but the true number would be somewhere between 20 and 25% of those patients , and it complicates both their illness and their recovery .
    That is why they are still hospitalised .
    They still require nursing care and a Covid bed in hospital.


    Unless you know for a fact that those numbers are truly all hospital acquired ?

    No I just took the figure at face value, didn't know there was that much more to it. Thanks for the info!


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  • #6282
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    titan18 wrote: »
    I could understand keeping hospitality shut that long but I would hope that once cases get down to sub 5-600 and have a good bit more vaccinated that they'd be looking to reopen non essential retail, hairdressers, gyms etc

    Yes it will probably be phsed approach like we had last year


  • #6283
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    titan18 wrote: »
    I could understand keeping hospitality shut that long but I would hope that once cases get down to sub 5-600 and have a good bit more vaccinated that they'd be looking to reopen non essential retail, hairdressers, gyms etc

    Yes it will probably be phsed approach like we had last year


  • #6284
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Totally agree but staying in level 5 until April. Out of 6 months we will have been in lockdown for all of it bar 3 weeks. Its not realistic or viable.

    Why not?


  • #6285
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Was Dublin ever out of L 3 ? Being honest at this stage I can’t remember .

    No


  • #6286
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Stheno wrote: »
    Why not?

    Because locking people up for half a year will drive people crazy. How will people pay bills.


  • #6287
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Stheno wrote: »
    It does to be fair

    I'm no fan of the HSE bit the amount of hospital identified infections is about 1 one percent of daily cases at the moment so its almost irrelevant

    The whole purpose of the restrictions is to protect hospital capacity.

    We are protecting that capacity at a cost never seen before and one that will likely cripple the country for many years.

    To say that hospital acquired infections is almost irrelevant is bizarre tbh.

    Of all the tens of thousands of cases of community transmission recently it’s still only accountable for 50% of hospital cases we are told.

    Whatever the reason for that transmission within hospitals, it’s far from “almost irrelevant”.


  • #6288
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    MD1990 wrote: »
    do people want to open up & go back to level 5 within 2-3 weeks?
    No point lifting restrictions while cases are in the thousands with a far more contagious strain.

    get down to cases as low as possible & then start testing everyone who enters the country.

    Many people saying we cant do the same as Australia & NZ are probably the same one's saying last september there would be no more lockdowns.
    Well we have 2 since then unfortunately.

    Hopefully our dumb goverment learn from previous mistakes but I doubt it,

    Nobody is saying lift restrictions now but what if in 8 weeks the cases are down to 200 or 300 a day.


  • #6289
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    Being realistic here.

    We know we’ll get poor compliance, no enforcement worth talking about and a cohort who won’t do anything sensible and will continue to spread it.

    We also can’t get cooperation from the NI government as they’re basically made up of a group of hardcore unionist fundamentalists, who see everything as a conspiracy theory against them and we can’t or won’t close the border.

    So I don’t see how this is going to resolve. For all COVID intents and purposes we might as well be considered part of the U.K., but we don’t have access to the vaccines and their policy seems to be entirely about vaccines now and far less about containment.

    I’m just not seeing what the plan is?

    Pretend we can close the border again? Appeal to people not to fly in via Belfast ?

    Appeal gently to people to cop on domestically?

    It seems to me like a road to ruin.

    We aren’t prepared to make the decisions needed to resolve this, so we are destined to flounder.


  • #6290
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Stheno wrote: »
    Yes it will probably be phsed approach like we had last year

    Ya, and whilst I can see how spread will be too much when reopening hospitality, I'm not sure there's a huge amount with hairdressers, gyms and non essential retail once you have capacity limits and social distancing so hopefully they can reopen them once cases get down to manageable levels which id hope would be around late February


  • #6291
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Stheno wrote: »
    No

    Thanks ! I genuinely at this stage cant recall . I know we were allowed travel throughout Ireland for a short window at some stage . I think I am institutionalised at this stage !


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  • #6292
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,193 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Dates mentioned in the media are pointless at the moment.

    It's all dependent on how things go over the next few weeks and months.

    If case numbers are still high in March and April, then we'll still be doing this in March and April. And nobody knows what the numbers will be.

    You would hope that we'll just see a continued steady decline, but I don't think it's going to be as straightforward as many seem to think. There's still loads of infection going around, it's going to be a longer process than previously, with a more transmissible strain and lots of previously caught cases of close contacts slipping through the net. This is a unique situation, it's different to the previous waves. There's going to be a long tail to this.


  • #6293
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    No we can't. Not how it works.

    Theres no deliveries outside of the EU deal until the EU contracts are fulfilled

    Unless you're Germany.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/germanys-coronavirus-vaccine-side-deal-at-odds-with-legally-binding-eu-pact/amp/
    Hanno Kautz, the spokesperson for the German health ministry, confirmed at a press conference Friday that Germany “will receive around 60 million vaccine doses from BioNTech from EU contracts, and 30 million from bilateral contracts or agreements … in total, 90 million this year. This is something we have done independently of the EU treaties.”


  • #6294
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Thanks ! I genuinely at this stage cant recall . I know we were allowed travel throughout Ireland for a short window at some stage . I think I am institutionalised at this stage !

    I'm the same tbh

    Wfh 10 months now, I miss seeing people


  • #6295
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    User142 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1350567645419024384

    UK to bring in Australia type Quarantine hotels. I imagine we will follow suit and maybe finally have something that looks all Ireland (all CTA?) approach to international travel

    This is amazing and fantastic news if true!

    Living with covid was a fantasy without border control. If we follow suit and bring in mandatory controlled quarantining we can control this virus and get back to living.


  • #6296
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Datacore wrote: »
    It’s likely going to end up that way anyway. The EU programme just isn’t moving fast enough at all and we have completely hosed the possibility of maintaining a functioning society and economy while this virus is still active at the level it’s at now.

    The outcome of this is probably going to be economic disaster as well as 60+ people dead every day.

    Isn't moving fast enough??

    What do you want them to do, the orders are in, they come as fast as approval and production allows. This has been discussed across these threads numerous times.

    But back to the original question no EU country will get any doses they order until after the EU deal is fulfilled, already been confirmed by manufacturers, order books are full.


  • #6297
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Stheno wrote: »
    I'm the same tbh

    Wfh 10 months now, I miss seeing people

    I can cope with most things to be honest but really miss seeing people in a comfortable situation .

    Would absolutely love to sit with my friends in a warm cosy room and chat .


  • #6298
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Unless you're Germany.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/germanys-coronavirus-vaccine-side-deal-at-odds-with-legally-binding-eu-pact/amp/

    Which they aren't getting until the EU contracts are completed which confirms my original post. Its been reported multiple times, they won't be getting them until probably Q4


  • #6299
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    Approval was ludicrously slow. It’s really hard to see how it could be safely approved in the U.K. and US and several other countries while the EMA seemed to just drag on and on and on.

    Moderna is only been approved this week ffs. It was much much faster in many other markets.

    AstraZeneca, while I appreciate there are issues, is moving at a snails pace through the EMA. To the point that there are already people surmising the U.K. somehow did a a deal to ensure their supply was prioritised.


  • #6300
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,976 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I can cope with most things to be honest but really miss seeing people in a comfortable situation .

    Would absolutely love to sit with my friends in a warm cosy room and chat .

    If we had known in March what was going to happen this year and how long this would go on....


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  • #6301
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I don't care about positive infections, I care about hospital numbers only. Forget about the positive case numbers.

    Do you?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115935889&postcount=9591


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