Star Trek Discovery Season 3 [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Banana Republic 1 · 16-01-2021 12:26PM

Bought and paid for!

silverharp · 16-01-2021 03:17PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Conversely, the public are prone to rants & fan tantrums by those barely capable of legibility. Both sides are full of idiots, and have almost never used aggregators to divine a preference. It's like getting your news from Facebook.

Rotten tomatoes is bullshít and wouldn't really ascribe any truth to a system that rates a 3/5 middling rating as inherently positive. Media criticism reduced to a percentage point is kinda dumb and defeats the point, only useful for confirmation bias really And given how dumped upon Discovery is by "the public" ~40% feels bigger than I'd have thought. Technically still a pass lol :pac:

it works for me, Ive never not enjoyed something with an audience score in the 80's as long as I ought to like it. A high or low critics score wouldnt tell me anything in isolation unless the audience score was low too. if the critics score is low and the audience score is high its going to be a good un

youcancallmeal · 16-01-2021 10:06PM

silverharp wrote: »

Rotten Tomatoes isnt kind to it, critics of course love it at 80 something but the audience score is in the 40's, so one where the critics score is to be discounted

I watched a movie last night called The Nest which had similar critic and audience scores. I should've known, it was awful, took all my strength to keep watching it to the end.

~Rebel~ · 17-01-2021 03:59AM

pixelburp wrote: »

Conversely, the public are prone to rants & fan tantrums by those barely capable of legibility. Both sides are full of idiots, and have almost never used aggregators to divine a preference. It's like getting your news from Facebook.

Rotten tomatoes is bullshít and wouldn't really ascribe any truth to a system that rates a 3/5 middling rating as inherently positive. Media criticism reduced to a percentage point is kinda dumb and defeats the point, only useful for confirmation bias really And given how dumped upon Discovery is by "the public" ~40% feels bigger than I'd have thought. Technically still a pass lol :pac:

Rotten tomatoes is a decent barometer for things, it just feels counter intuitive. A rating of 70% doesnt mean it’s a 7/10, it means 7 out of 10 critics think it’s worth a watch. Not necessarily that they think it’s great - just worth a watch if the concept interests you.

I think that sort of system is useful for what it’s intended to be - is this worth my time, yay or neigh, and nothing more.

GSPfan · 19-01-2021 07:09PM

I’ve seen it mentioned here a good few times that The Expanse is an excellent show and I’m 6 episodes into the first season and I can already agree. It’s very good. I know more about The Expanses large cast of characters in 6 episodes than i do about the Disco crew over 3 seasons.

pixelburp · 19-01-2021 07:12PM

GSPfan wrote: »

I’ve seen it mentioned here a good few times that The Expanse is an excellent show and I’m 6 episodes into the first season and I can already agree. It’s very good. I know more about The Expanses large cast of characters in 6 episodes than i do about the Disco crew over 3 seasons.

Wait til you get to season 2 and the show really takes off; not least because Avarasala gets unchained and able to curse like a trooper. Christian dropping F bombs never gets old

alchemist33 · 19-01-2021 07:16PM

GSPfan wrote: »

I’ve seen it mentioned here a good few times that The Expanse is an excellent show and I’m 6 episodes into the first season and I can already agree. It’s very good. I know more about The Expanses large cast of characters in 6 episodes than i do about the Disco crew over 3 seasons.

Unfortunately I don't have whatever platform its on but I'll get to it some day. In a similar vein my stay-at-home 12 year old wanted something new on Netflix so I thought we'd try some other Star Trek. He gave up on TOS after about 8 episodes - tbf it probably looks pretty dated to him so I next tried something more modern, Enterprise. So far he's liking it, but having only ever watched a handful of episodes I'm also liking it. I know people tend to s**t on it but compared to Discovery it's a like a safety blanket of trek. There's no gushing emotion flooding the episodes, and there's more characterisation in 3 episodes then in 3 seasons of Discovery.

19-01-2021 07:29PM

alchemist33 wrote: »

Unfortunately I don't have whatever platform its on but I'll get to it some day. In a similar vein my stay-at-home 12 year old wanted something new on Netflix so I thought we'd try some other Star Trek. He gave up on TOS after about 8 episodes - tbf it probably looks pretty dated to him so I next tried something more modern, Enterprise. So far he's liking it, but having only ever watched a handful of episodes I'm also liking it. I know people tend to s**t on it but compared to Discovery it's a like a safety blanket of trek. There's no gushing emotion flooding the episodes, and there's more characterisation in 3 episodes then in 3 seasons of Discovery.

I’m currently just into series 3 in a full rewatch of it. It’s excellent, even like the second the more times I watch it. Deserved more than 4 years and a crap ending.

GSPfan · 19-01-2021 07:39PM

alchemist33 wrote: »

Unfortunately I don't have whatever platform its on but I'll get to it some day. In a similar vein my stay-at-home 12 year old wanted something new on Netflix so I thought we'd try some other Star Trek. He gave up on TOS after about 8 episodes - tbf it probably looks pretty dated to him so I next tried something more modern, Enterprise. So far he's liking it, but having only ever watched a handful of episodes I'm also liking it. I know people tend to s**t on it but compared to Discovery it's a like a safety blanket of trek. There's no gushing emotion flooding the episodes, and there's more characterisation in 3 episodes then in 3 seasons of Discovery.

Deep Space Nine is the one to beat and the one to get the kid watching. Seasons 1 & 2 have some funny teething issues (allamaraine), season 3 is strong, but from 4 onward it’s generally excellent. Gul Dukat is the best Star Trek villain of all time for me.

TNG in a close 2nd.
Voyager in a distant 3rd.
Enterprise not far behind Voyager in 4th.
TOS after this lot because I just never loved it - Maybe it’s because i was born early 80’s and found TNG before TOS.
Discovery is dead last. I’d rather not even associate it with the others to be honest.

Edit: Can I put The Orville on this list ahead of Voyager?

breezy1985 · 19-01-2021 08:38PM

GSPfan wrote: »

. Seasons 1 & 2 have some funny teething issues (allamaraine),

How dare you. Move along home

pixelburp · 19-01-2021 08:46PM

Season 1 DS9 gets an overall pass for its awful episodes - and they're certainly up there with Trek's worst - purely for having Sisko punch Q square in the face. Cathartic.

GreeBo · 26-01-2021 02:02PM

GSPfan wrote: »

Deep Space Nine is the one to beat and the one to get the kid watching. Seasons 1 & 2 have some funny teething issues (allamaraine), season 3 is strong, but from 4 onward it’s generally excellent. Gul Dukat is the best Star Trek villain of all time for me.

TNG in a close 2nd.
Voyager in a distant 3rd.
Enterprise not far behind Voyager in 4th.
TOS after this lot because I just never loved it - Maybe it’s because i was born early 80’s and found TNG before TOS.
Discovery is dead last. I’d rather not even associate it with the others to be honest.

Edit: Can I put The Orville on this list ahead of Voyager?

+1 on The Orville, I really liked it and can imagine a 12 year old would too.

(hmm that sounds bad!)

Rawr · 27-01-2021 10:49AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

How dare you. Move along home

Alight ....

Inviere · 29-01-2021 03:26PM

I've watched the first three eps of Season 3 (finally gathered the motivation to do it). It's surprisingly actually ok so far. I've been here before with Discovery though....so we'll see.

RandomViewer · 29-01-2021 03:39PM

Inviere wrote: »

I've watched the first three eps of Season 3 (finally gathered the motivation to do it). It's surprisingly actually ok so far. I've been here before with Discovery though....so we'll see.

31st century was a blank canvas, so many missed opportunities

Inviere · 29-01-2021 03:43PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

31st century was a blank canvas, so many missed opportunities

No doubt....the show has mishandled everything it touched since it began...but I'm eye rolling a lot less at this season (so far!)

pixelburp · 29-01-2021 04:02PM

Star Trek Discovery feels like a show forever playing catch-up with itself. Like, I genuinely thought right; the production chaos has stopped, they have a settled producer now, the future setting was a deliberate jettison of the "prequel" constraints. Cool. Here we go. Star Trek does "Andromeda", easy-peasy.

And yet if I didn't know better, I'd have presumed the rotating door in the writers' room was still going on, Season 3 being that messy and half-assed. I know there is tonnes written here as to the flaws of the show, and it's not like Kurtzman isn't a known flawed quantity, but it's reached a point where I genuinely can't understand how a show with this kind of financial/logistical support results in such a jumbled mess. Writing isn't THAT hard.

Who is really calling the shots on this show, and how is it a team of writers can't come up with a straightforward, A-to-B arc across a measly 13 episodes? The pilot put an obvious, easy-to-implement arc in front of the show and it missed its own open goal. I'd kinda understand if this was a 22 episode season - even the best shows struggle to keep the quality going that long - but a mere half dozen episodes? This may be hubris talking, but I absolutely could have knocked out a simple 13-episode treatment for a season - and my procrastination when it comes to writing is EPIC.

It's like how parents say; I'm not even angry at the show anymore, just very disappointed (but also unsurprised Discovery has yet again stumbled home drunk all the same)

Banana Republic 1 · 29-01-2021 05:47PM

Inviere wrote: »

I've watched the first three eps of Season 3 (finally gathered the motivation to do it). It's surprisingly actually ok so far. I've been here before with Discovery though....so we'll see.

It helps to be half cut on the couch.

Inviere · 29-01-2021 06:32PM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

It helps to be half cut on the couch.

That Romulan Ale....I'm tellin' ya :pac:

Goodshape · 30-01-2021 08:34PM

(some spoilers from the last episode)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLaQiTjHHSA

silverharp · 31-01-2021 11:36AM

A random clip YT threw at me, If you have had to endure a diet of Spam for 3 seasons, one bite of a fillet steak tastes all the better :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv1MZMMdAfU

pixelburp · 31-01-2021 12:01PM

Did a quick Google but couldn't see an obvious answer, but are those Emerald Chain soldiers all masked up supposed to be Been? They kinda look it, kinda sound it (albeit speaking English) and been curious.

Spear · 01-02-2021 10:51AM

pixelburp wrote: »

Did a quick Google but couldn't see an obvious answer, but are those Emerald Chain soldiers all masked up supposed to be Been? They kinda look it, kinda sound it (albeit speaking English) and been curious.

Helmets are just ust cheaper to do en-masse than makeup and prosthetics I suspect.

pixelburp · 01-02-2021 11:22AM

Spear wrote: »

Helmets are just ust cheaper to do en-masse than makeup and prosthetics I suspect.

Oh no, I figured as much at first - Dr. Who does that all the time with one alien in prosthetics, the rest all helmeted up - but then twigged they sorta looked like Breen, so was curious if it was confirmed.

Inviere · 01-02-2021 05:31PM

Finished Episode 4 there of Season 3. I hate to say it, but I really enjoyed it. Season 3 for me, so far, has been largely quite engaging

Inviere · 03-02-2021 09:39AM

Finished Unification III yesterday, I'm still enjoying S3 :eek: Some things to note though:

Putting 900+ year old advanced tech into Discovery, & the crew just knowing how to use it....to call that a stretch is an understatement. The time gap is so big, there's no frame of comparison...the closest being, is bolting a nuclear reactor into a Viking Longship....& letting the warriors go about their business with it

No doubt the tech is so advanced, you don't have to know how....it uses itself!

Secondly, promoting Tilly to XO is possibly one of the stupidest things to expect any fan of Star Trek to swallow. The ship is literally filled with higher ranked officers, but Saru overlooks all of them, for a nervous ensign.....yeah, sure.

Other than that, I'm finding myself wanting to keep watching all the time. The difference this time is I'm binge watching them, as opposed to S2 where I was catching them once a week. I wonder if I'd enjoy S2 this way! Anyway!

FGR · 03-02-2021 11:01AM

Agree with you Inviere - The time gap is simply too long. It's like throwing the crew of a 1700's man-o-war warship onto a nuclear powered aircraft carrier and telling them off you go..and multiply that time gap by three!!

I also think it's interesting how Discovery was even able to make contact with other species and the federation - their comms system must have been the equivalent of a cup on a string with very different security codes.

I just don't get the idea of moving so far into the future. It reeks of desperation to start a new even while keeping the same; but ensuring the miss out on the interesting bits like how we ended up with the situation on vulcan.

Banana Republic 1 · 03-02-2021 11:25AM

FGR wrote: »

Agree with you Inviere - The time gap is simply too long. It's like throwing the crew of a 1700's man-o-war warship onto a nuclear powered aircraft carrier and telling them off you go..and multiply that time gap by three!!

I also think it's interesting how Discovery was even able to make contact with other species and the federation - their comms system must have been the equivalent of a cup on a string with very different security codes.

I just don't get the idea of moving so far into the future. It reeks of desperation to start a new even while keeping the same; but ensuring the miss out on the interesting bits like how we ended up with the situation on vulcan.

That whole plot angle was lifted out of Andromeda.

H3llR4iser · 03-02-2021 11:29AM

Inviere wrote: »

Finished Unification III yesterday, I'm still enjoying S3 :eek: Some things to note though:

Unification III is where I finally "cut it". Last episode of Discovery I watched, as I found out that I simply had no will to keep on going after that. I had begun S3 with a positive - the first couple of episodes, although more "generic space Sci-fi" than Star Trek, had set the tone for something relatively interesting. Next couple of episodes were OK, then started becoming...well, boring is what come to mind. I started skipping parts of "dead space" where nothing was happening to advance the plot. Also, the "burn" is as lazy and stupid a plot device as it gets - space travel show without space travel. Yay.

Inviere wrote: »

Putting 900+ year old advanced tech into Discovery, & the crew just knowing how to use it....to call that a stretch is an understatement. The time gap is so big, there's no frame of comparison...the closest being, is bolting a nuclear reactor into a Viking Longship....& letting the warriors go about their business with it No doubt the tech is so advanced, you don't have to know how....it uses itself!

Secondly, promoting Tilly to XO is possibly one of the stupidest things to expect any fan of Star Trek to swallow. The ship is literally filled with higher ranked officers, but Saru overlooks all of them, for a nervous ensign.....yeah, sure.

Yeah I don't even wanna go into the technical details, it's clear they don't care. The Tilly thing, same thing - the showrunners don't care about "Star Trek fans", they basically have tarred us all with the same "-ist" brush. Also, they know most will keep watching, no matter what level the dumpster fire reaches.

Who they're writing for is the "Riverdale" type of audience - for these, Tilly works like a charm. Funny fact - the "Riverdale audience" are now up in arms about the Winx adaptation...because you know, it's something that they grew up with and is now being utterly destroyed in the "dark & gritty" cauldron. Swings and roundabouts, I guess.

breezy1985 · 03-02-2021 12:51PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Unification III is where I finally "cut it". Last episode of Discovery I watched, as I found out that I simply had no will to keep on going after that. I had begun S3 with a positive - the first couple of episodes, although more "generic space Sci-fi" than Star Trek, had set the tone for something relatively interesting. Next couple of episodes were OK, then started becoming...well, boring is what come to mind. I started skipping parts of "dead space" where nothing was happening to advance the plot. Also, the "burn" is as lazy and stupid a plot device as it gets - space travel show without space travel. Yay.

Thats how I watched the control part of season 2 and honestly I only needed to watch about 5mins of each episode to follow the plot.

You are right about the Riverdale thing. I have now accepted that despite all being sci-fi this show is just not aimed at or for TNG, BSG or Expanse fans. Its dark teen drama essentially Buffy or Twilight with lazeers

Star Trek Discovery ***Season 3*** [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Comments

Star Trek Discovery Season 3 [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]