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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #5552
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    What's the theory behind curfews? How do they reduce spread? I've heard them being introduced elsewhere, but don't really get it. It reduces the open window to shop/exercise/etc.. Is it an extra layer to try to stop gatherings/parties?

    It reduces the amount of house parties, groups hanging around and puts a stop to take away pints. I know it is not likely to occur but it would be another step to punish the majority rather than enforce the rules on the minority who breach them


  • #5553
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    fits wrote: »
    Positive swabs look to be levelling out a bit. I was hoping the steep fall off would keep going.

    https://twitter.com/covid19dataie/status/1350085584845418497?s=21

    Yeah, bit disappointing alright. Last couple of days GP referral data has been good, so was hoping for below 3000 today. Need to see more progress over the next week.


  • #5554
    riffmongous
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    What's the theory behind curfews? How do they reduce spread? I've heard them being introduced elsewhere, but don't really get it. It reduces the open window to shop/exercise/etc.. Is it an extra layer to try to stop gatherings/parties?

    Yeah exactly, if you make it at least 10pm then it's not really going to stop anyone from shopping or exercising in wintertime


  • #5555
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    fits wrote: »
    Positive swabs look to be levelling out a bit. I was hoping the steep fall off would keep going.

    https://twitter.com/covid19dataie/status/1350085584845418497?s=21

    The aim of cases below 1,000 for end of January seems fairly optimistic with just over 2 weeks to go. Say if we're between 2,500-1,500 by then we will be doing well but maybe there could be big decreases with movement and contacts limited hopefully over next week or 2.


  • #5556
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Herb Powell wrote: »
    I already do that ffs, lol.

    And actually no, delivery services are really not sufficient here (overwhelmed, often low on stock). I don't own a car either, nor could I get one if I wanted in the morning. So as it is, it's how much I can carry once a week. We're not all in the same situation.




    But I am sure that you will agree that any "loophole" is always disingenuously exploited?


    C'mon. They closed the pubs. Then they opened the restaurants so that people could get food. Then some pubs said "we're gastro-pubs" so we should be allowed open as well. Then you had previously "dry" pubs opening in a village by getting a chip van to park down the road. That actually happened in a village near enough to me - a pub that never previously sold more food than a packet of crisps reopened after getting a chipper van to park down the road. Suddenly this pub was "providing an essential food service" to the extent that it couldn't be closed. Once you make a small exception then you greatly reduce the potential impact of any restriction.



    You manage. You get into a good routine. You book your delivery slots in advance. Once the shops see that delivery slots are booked up, they temporarily take on more vans/drivers. The deliveries are coming from the same shops as most people are going to anyway. If they don't have something in stock for a home delivery, they won't have it when you walk in off the street.


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  • #5557
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    That's an unexpected bump, but the trend is still down.

    22k seems low; I wonder is there any data missing. ~27k tests and 3,600 positives would be more in line with expectations.


  • #5558
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,866 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    My Quebec mate sent this article from a Norwegian newspaper called See.News. Norway; 23 dead after receiving Pfizer BioNTech vaccine.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #5559
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    My Quebec mate sent this article from a Norwegian newspaper called See.News. Norway; 23 dead after receiving Pfizer BioNTech vaccine.

    Agency spokesman Steinar Madsen said: “It is necessary to know whether there is a link between these deaths and vaccination, or whether the death was due to chance.”


  • #5560
    PixelTrawler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭PixelTrawler


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    My Quebec mate sent this article from a Norwegian newspaper called See.News. Norway; 23 dead after receiving Pfizer BioNTech vaccine.

    Lets hope its just correlation.


  • #5561
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Agency spokesman Steinar Madsen said: “It is necessary to know whether there is a link between these deaths and vaccination, or whether the death was due to chance.”

    I'm not sure if most people realise just how frail and unwell certain people in nursing homes are. Most aren't like you imagine your granny, they are often quite sick or undergoing palliative care. Minor treatments and procedures can and do have fatal outcomes; so this has to be balanced against the benefits offered by the treatments.

    A risk evaluation should be done by a medical professional before applying any treatment or procedure.


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  • #5562
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    My Quebec mate sent this article from a Norwegian newspaper called See.News. Norway; 23 dead after receiving Pfizer BioNTech vaccine.
    Sensationalist headlines, there's going to be people in nursing homes in Ireland dead this week after eating their jelly and ice-cream. People in nursing homes die naturally every day.


  • #5563
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    My Quebec mate sent this article from a Norwegian newspaper called See.News. Norway; 23 dead after receiving Pfizer BioNTech vaccine.

    Seems to be an Egyptian site. Have never heard of them. Say it would be a big story so will be interesting to see if it's reported more if it's true.

    Only other report I could find was this and

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/norway-says-covid-19-vaccines-may-be-too-risky-for-elderly-terminally-sick-101610700562188.html

    But if it's 23 out of 33,000 doses it would be very small proportion

    Actually Bloomberg seem to have it and they'd probably be most reputable of those sources: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-15/norway-warns-of-vaccination-risks-for-sick-patients-over-80


  • #5564
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Seems to be an Egyptian site. Have never heard of them. Say it would be a big story so will be interesting to see if it's reported more if it's true.

    Only other report I could find was this and

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/norway-says-covid-19-vaccines-may-be-too-risky-for-elderly-terminally-sick-101610700562188.html

    But if it's 23 out of 33,000 doses it would be very small proportion.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-15/norway-warns-of-vaccination-risks-for-sick-patients-over-80


  • #5565
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-15/norway-warns-of-vaccination-risks-for-sick-patients-over-80

    Cheers, yeah I found that after posting. Interesting that Norway announced the supply issues too. It's probably pure coincidence but am sure will be lot of speculation as a result of the timing.


  • #5566
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Some interesting data from Austria, they had a large almost runaway outbreak towards the end of the year, resulting in 10% higher number of deaths than the previous 5 years and the highest number of deaths since 1983.
    And you can clearly see from the graph it's purely down to the covid outbreaks.

    812669_body_283356_cov_sterblichkeit_a.png?2225d056

    https://orf.at/stories/3197300/

    Dr John did a video where he showed the UK had 15% excess deaths in 2020 down to COVID. And he also thinks there may of been a significant under reporting of COVID deaths (think there was a difference of 5k deaths in the reports he was discussing). I won’t post the link to his video as it seems to trigger some people. :pac:


  • #5567
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Amirani wrote: »
    I'm not sure if most people realise just how frail and unwell certain people in nursing homes are. Most aren't like you imagine your granny, they are often quite sick or undergoing palliative care. Minor treatments and procedures can and do have fatal outcomes; so this has to be balanced against the benefits offered by the treatments.

    A risk evaluation should be done by a medical professional before applying any treatment or procedure.

    Yeah that's exactly what Norwegian health authorities seem to be saying alright:

    “For those with the most severe frailty, even relatively mild vaccine side effects can have serious consequences,” the Norwegian Institute of Public Health said. “For those who have a very short remaining life span anyway, the benefit of the vaccine may be marginal or irrelevant.”

    I guess it also needs to be balanced against the 2m people who have died from covid19 and people dying of natural causes/old age etc too.
    It may lead to updated guidance if it happens a lot.


  • #5568
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    This is a load of spurious crap.

    You were called out for this nonsense



    The funny thing is that your nonsense came moments after this was posted

    What is nonsense about it?

    Nice to highlight the first part. But what about the rest of what was said directly after it?

    " Not much phases her and of course every medical professional can have a different take. She said it's the effect it is having on treatments and patients overall that gets to her the most. She can't do what herself and colleagues want to do because of covid dominating so much."

    I said in her own words, the pressure is the same as every winter. The pressure on her. Not only anyone else. And not a comment on the hospital situation in general. How can either myself or herself speak about the pressure any other medical professional feels themselves under? I said not much phases her and other medical professionals may have a different opinion because they handle pressure differently. You really think every single nurse or doctor working in a hospital in this country handles what is thrown at them the same way? Cop the fúck on.

    And it wasn't the above point which I was called out on. I believe your first reply was along the lines of hospital acquired cases not reflecting what I said. And also the comment about my wife being a fabrication. I rarely posting this thread. Rarely post on the forum actually. I've fúck all posts despite registering almost 15 years ago. I don't get into debates or arguments online because I've more going on in my life for that sh1te. So there'll be no more replies on this topic from me. I'm sure you'll find some other posts to poke holes in though.


  • #5569
    Fakediamond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    Geuze wrote: »
    Yes, my relation has been infected in hospital in the last week.

    He is aged approx 75-78, and is in hosp for other reasons.

    So he was infected by either staff or other patients, is that a fair point?

    But if the staff all wear PPE, how could the staff be causing the transmission?

    A friend also acquired it in hospital just before Christmas, while in for surgery, is thankfully ok but really? Before getting the positive result, could have passed it on to elderly family members.


  • #5570
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0115/1190019-coronavirus-ireland/

    If this wave of cases peaks this month, then why does the more infectious variant of the virus mean more businesses have to stay closed until the end of March, given that the incubation period and the symptoms don't seem to be any worse than they were for the original virus?


  • #5571
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Micheál Martin giving ''an exclusive update on the COVID-19 crisis in Ireland'' at 5:30 whatever that means..

    https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1350102946675998720


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  • #5572
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    political analyst wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0115/1190019-coronavirus-ireland/

    If this wave of cases peaks this month, then why does the more infectious variant of the virus mean more businesses have to stay closed until the end of March, given that the incubation period and the symptoms don't seem to be any worse than they were for the original virus?

    I think it's more the high number of cases in general now and the pace of vaccinations. I'm sure new variant is definitely playing some role but easier for political leaders to point to that only as reason restrictions could be in place for a while longer.


  • #5573
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    political analyst wrote: »
    If this wave of cases peaks this month, then why does the more infectious variant of the virus mean more businesses have to stay closed until the end of March, given that the incubation period and the symptoms don't seem to be any worse than they were for the original virus?
    Well, it's more infectious (apparently), so it will more quickly accelerate if we re-open things.

    Plus the government have clearly (and rightly) been spooked by what happened over Christmas. In a few short weeks our numbers spun out of control. We can't repeat this "Level 5 into open pubs and restaurants" ever again, it will have to be a step down relaxation.

    I think Paddy's day is a problem, as that has the potential to be a superspreader event and is on an awkward date. If I was the government I'd announce that was moved to September or something like that.


  • #5574
    [Deleted User]
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    hmmm wrote: »
    Sensationalist headlines, there's going to be people in nursing homes in Ireland dead this week after eating their jelly and ice-cream. People in nursing homes die naturally every day.

    Bit depressing but here's a piece about death rates in nursing homes for context, 20% within 3 months of admission:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/study-reveals-nursing-home-death-rate-1.747254


  • #5575
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Micheál Martin giving ''an exclusive update on the COVID-19 crisis in Ireland'' at 5:30 whatever that means..

    https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1350102946675998720

    Boris is on at 5pm for the opening act of the clown show

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #5576
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    hmmm wrote: »
    Sensationalist headlines, there's going to be people in nursing homes in Ireland dead this week after eating their jelly and ice-cream. People in nursing homes die naturally every day.

    Although delicious, jelly and ice cream is not contagious!


  • #5577
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    The UK have decided rightly to ban travellers from Brazil due to the Brazilian variant.

    The question is, are Ireland planning to do the same?


  • #5578
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,347 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    The UK have decided rightly to ban travellers from Brazil due to the Brazilian variant.

    The question is, are Ireland planning to do the same?

    Not our nature

    This month has been one of the slowest months ever, Christmas feels like it was an age ago


  • #5579
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    hmmm wrote: »
    Well, it's more infectious (apparently), so it will more quickly accelerate if we re-open things.

    Plus the government have clearly (and rightly) been spooked by what happened over Christmas. In a few short weeks our numbers spun out of control. We can't repeat this "Level 5 into open pubs and restaurants" ever again, it will have to be a step down relaxation.

    I think Paddy's day is a problem, as that has the potential to be a superspreader event and is on an awkward date. If I was the government I'd announce that was moved to September or something like that.

    Can't see how anything will be allowed for Paddy's Day, pubs and restaurants could still well be closed by then so not sure there will be many options anyway. Can't believe it's nearly a year already, seems to have gone very fast and dragged at same time.


  • #5580
    mackD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭mackD


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    The UK have decided rightly to ban travellers from Brazil due to the Brazilian variant.

    The question is, are Ireland planning to do the same?

    We have a very sizeable Brazilian population here so this could prove difficult.


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  • #5581
    seamie78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭seamie78


    and the uk don't ?


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