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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #5492
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    That is not what was being discussed . The discussion was about anecdotal posts that management were getting it first before the frontline staff

    It could be very easily put to bed by Paul Reid. If he can.


  • #5493
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    seamus wrote: »
    Is there a link to what he actually said? I expect he merely remarked that the HSE would give clearer guidance to teams on what to do with spare doses rather than having them distribute them in a haphazard fashion.

    There is as yet no evidence that any management team anywhere snapped up a batch for themselves and excluded frontline workers.

    "We have looked into this and found no evidence to suggest that it happened." That quote would only be difficult if it weren't true.


  • #5494
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    seamus wrote: »
    Is there a link to what he actually said?

    There is as yet no evidence that any management team anywhere snapped up a batch for themselves and excluded frontline workers.
    It came up in the briefing yesterday, as part of the Q&A, so wherever that is. No, it sounds to me more like ad hoc decisions in places.


  • #5495
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Under what law?

    If it happened and we don't know that it did, that would be a shameful attitude to take.


  • #5496
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    HSE going to a 28 day gap between doses.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-hse-extends-interval-between-first-and-second-jabs-in-move-that-will-speed-up-rollout-to-more-people-1.4459258


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  • #5497
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I have a question here (which will probably get lost in the fast moving thread).

    My understanding is that if one person in a household tests positive, then they have to isolate for 10 days since they say symptoms began. Others in the house have to restrict their movements for 14 days.

    What happens on day 10? Infected person can go back to their day-to-day while the others have to still stay at home?

    I understood that a close contact would have to restrict even if they had had tested positive previously. Because they can still carry and spread it. So how can the infected person in my scenario above be going out while others in the house can't?


  • #5498
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Probably a little soon for "mission accomplished" on this current wave.

    We want to pull a Belgium this time around, but there's alternative paths to follow.
    We did it twice before, I don't see any reason why we wouldn't pull a Belgium on this round too, especially given our restrictions.

    That is a helpful graph though, it suggests that we may see the decline slow down drastically when the 7-day gets to 8/9%. That's something to watch out for; it means we'll end up with 1,000-2,000 cases on a daily basis for weeks.

    That said, Belgium's slow-down coincides with the run-up to Xmas and the huge spikes across Europe.

    We're into a new seasonal phase now, which will affect viral spread differently.


  • #5499
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    HSE going to a 28 day gap between doses.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-hse-extends-interval-between-first-and-second-jabs-in-move-that-will-speed-up-rollout-to-more-people-1.4459258

    You'd think if there was no issue with speed of delivery or supplies they wouldn't need to do it.


  • #5500
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Numbers in icu upto 184 today.

    After 173 yesterday a lot of people were thinking a corner has been reached.

    23 admissions and 5 discharges which would suggest 7 deaths.

    Does anyone know what the number of suspected covid in the hospitals are? Back in October it was released regularly in the operations report but I haven't seen any mention of it recently.


  • #5501
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    You'd think if there was no issue with speed of delivery or supplies they wouldn't need to do it.
    There's a link to an article about possible Pfizer supply delays on the vaccines thread.


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  • #5502
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Numbers in icu upto 184 today.

    After 173 yesterday a lot of people were thinking a corner has been reached.

    23 admissions and 5 discharges which would suggest 7 deaths.

    Does anyone know what the number of suspected covid in the hospitals are? Back in October it was released regularly in the operations report but I haven't seen any mention of it recently.

    Think it's in the daily operational reports

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/coronavirus-daily-operations-updates.html


  • #5503
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    I was called a liar the other night and accused of fabricating a wife because I had said that her hospital had a majority of covid cases acquired in hospital over people turning up solely with covid symptoms so bad that they required hospitalisation. Despite referencing her profession on boards over 10 years ago. And now there we have reports of over 50% in some hospitals during this wave. Her hospital has always and still does have more people in it with hospital acquired covid than people coming in with symptoms for it. And it's not all people coming in with bumps and bruises or sprains and testing positive. Some are people who are in for more serious conditions and have already been in hospital for weeks. Look at the free beds, the admissions and discharges. You can see it in the figures for some hospitals. And I don't mean all hospitals. I only have input from one hospital.

    The point of my post was to offer another view of the situation from a first hand perspective. No agenda or down playing impact of covid as any of my other minimal posts in this forum would show. The case numbers are still the same regardless and not that it makes a massive difference to how people got it in terms of hospital capacity or the severity of the virus on an individual. But it does show that there is more info behind the stats. And it does have an impact on how people perceive the situation. Of course it's bad in hospitals. Holistically it's bad because of covid. Anyone who says it's grand or A and E is empty and flu seasons are just as bad are talking boll0x. But I do think using the words admissions without additional context adds unnecessary fear. Even my own mother was terrified when reading reports of 100-200 admissions in 24 hours, despite not leaving the house. It's implied that people from the community are so sick from covid that they pouring into hospitals each day during level 5 restrictions. It breeds a lot of fear for people who may be struggling enough already.

    This is a load of spurious crap.

    You were called out for this nonsense
    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

    In her own words, the pressure is just the same as most winters. Not much phases her and of course every medical professional can have a different take. She said it's the effect it is having on treatments and patients overall that gets to her the most. She can't do what herself and colleagues want to do because of covid dominating so much.

    The funny thing is that your nonsense came moments after this was posted
    spookwoman wrote: »
    HSE Operations report

    1499 +146
    127 ICU +7 down to 1 Paed CC
    5 deaths
    69 ventilated -2


    4 Hospitals over 100 patients each

    CUH 135 +9
    UHL 122 +13
    Beaumont 104 -7
    GUH 102 +27

    10 Hospitals with 0 ICU beds available, 38 adult ICU beds available and 11 paed


  • #5504
    landofthetree
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  • #5505
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Numbers in icu upto 184 today.

    After 173 yesterday a lot of people were thinking a corner has been reached.

    23 admissions and 5 discharges which would suggest 7 deaths.

    Does anyone know what the number of suspected covid in the hospitals are? Back in October it was released regularly in the operations report but I haven't seen any mention of it recently.

    Jesus man, don't mention suspected cases.

    Do you know what horrors you've just unleashed?


  • #5506
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Who is the victim here, the bin those about to spoil doses were destined for?

    Why were there extra doses prepared?


  • #5507
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Probably a little soon for "mission accomplished" on this current wave.

    We want to pull a Belgium this time around, but there's alternative paths to follow.

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    I know it could be down to testing differences, but how has slovenia stayed so bad? They had an enormous spike similar to ours, but it has just plateaued in the months since.


  • #5508
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Will be good to get more Moderna vaccines, hopefully Oxford and J and J approved soon so hopefully supply issues won't be as much of an issue. Especially if it's 1 dose J and J.

    As long as they don't do a mix and match of the 2 dose vaccines..


  • #5509
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,868 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    DrSpongeBobz wrote: »
    British strain of covid has completely screwed us.

    http://arethebritsatitagain.com/ :)


  • #5510
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    I know it could be down to testing differences, but how has slovenia stayed so bad? They had an enormous spike similar to ours, but it has just plateaued in the months since.
    Slovenia have been hit quite like Czechia; they practically skipped the first wave and got slammed by the second.

    One would have to wonder if the bad first wave meant that the public was better prepared here, where in Czechia or Slovenia, it wasn't as much on their mind and hence they go hit badly with it.

    As far as I can tell, Slovenia has pretty strong restrictions on business and other such activities, but household/private mixing is fairly wide open.

    This seems to be a common theme in countries that are struggling; a failure to reduce household mixing.


  • #5511
    [Deleted User]
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    DraftDodger wrote: »
    I see France is introducing a nationwide 6pm curfew from today for 14 days. Could do with something similar here to halt the spread.

    So if I work until 6pm I couldn't go for an evening walk. Utterly ****ing mental


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  • #5512
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Probably a little soon for "mission accomplished" on this current wave.

    We want to pull a Belgium this time around, but there's alternative paths to follow.

    539557.png

    What in the name of fook is going on in Slovenia? There has been literally no improvement in their COVID case numbers the entire winter. And excess deaths are already over 4000 in a country of 2 million which is just unbelievable


  • #5513
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    AdamD wrote: »
    So if I work until 6pm I couldn't go for an evening walk. Utterly ****ing mental
    Quite a few of the Europeans have gone for curfews. Our approach has been to shut everything down instead.


  • #5514
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Netherlands government has collapsed. Elections due in March. Interesting to see how they will manage elections with covid. Will be one of first elections to happen in Europe/EU during covid afaik so interesting times!

    Didn't know that, was talking to a colleague from the Netherlands this morning and all, they have had their current restrictions in place since November and are not going to be reviewed until 5th February. They have no curfew or travel limit.


  • #5515
    Herb Powell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Isn't that how message boards work no?

    I didn't pass it off as fact or anything other than an unverified rumour. So not sure what your problem is.

    Sure, there's just a shiitload of rumours flying around as is.
    Donald Trump wrote: »
    The curfew won't really affect those who would have abided by the rules anyway.

    It's easier to enforce, yes, but this bit is nonsense.

    A 6pm curfew would have a massive effect, and I'd question if it's overly positive. When does everyone working go get their groceries? All at the same time? I don't think I've even been in a supermarket before 6pm since this started because I want to wait til there's less people there, which is an actual risk mitigation choice.
    Out for a walk/exercise?? All in a small window?? It's performative, let's be honest, beyond the ease of enforcement


  • #5516
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Varadkar saying in hindsight they probably wouldn't have followed NPHET's advice to go to level 3. He's some neck.


  • #5517
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Leo almost never admits responsibility for mistakes. Great to point at others.


  • #5518
    TonyMaloney
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    Varadkar saying in hindsight they probably wouldn't have followed NPHET's advice to go to level 3. He's some neck.

    are you serious?

    he's a gouger


  • #5519
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    are you serious?

    he's a gouger

    Was on news at one on rte radio 1 there. Have heard him say similar a few times lately too. Must be FG's new talking point.


  • #5520
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Varadkar saying in hindsight they probably wouldn't have followed NPHET's advice to go to level 3. He's some neck.

    This sort of chronic lieing and contracting out of the responsibility he has played in this crisis does make me think of reconsidering my choice years ago not to yet involved in politics. This is exactly the sort of crap that led to USA nearly losing its democratic status. It starts with small lies and ends up where nobody thought it would go. No country that is free and ends up in the sh*t ever thinks it will end up in the sh*t.

    Such a sad state of affairs that this won’t be properly analysed or addressed and will be past off as part of Irish politics. Didn’t take FG long after 2007 to engage in the exact same sneaky sh*te FF arrogantly got used to under the Bertie years. Power corrupts I suppose.

    I’d love to run on a Trump platform of pure unadulterated saying what you think regardless of consequences (not actually looking to win) but by being bluntly honest about the state of our politicians and parties.


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  • #5521
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,382 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Leo has set up a confrontation with NPHET after that interview.


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