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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #5432
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    The zero covid is unrealistic, but the continuing restrictions for the rest of the year and beyond are probably real. Sure even with fully vaccinated population they will still be very cautious come next winter, due to possible variants there will likely be a few generations of vaccine and a lot more research before confidence fully returns.

    Once hospital admissions and deaths are low which will happen in the second half of the year there is no justification for continued restrictions


  • #5433
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    khalessi wrote: »
    Actually Norma quotes a letter fromNPHET date 5th Jan saying schools are safe, as her reason for bringing Students with additoinal needs and SET back into school next week.

    The same letter has in bold print on the last page, the schools should stay closed due to high community transmission.


    She seems to have ignored that bit again, that was the part she got flack on last week for. So I would wonder is this another solo run

    I do know that there are very good reasons for bring some children with additional need back to school. For their parents and carers wellbeing as much as for the children. To be in lockdown 24/7 with children with certain types of special needs is gruelling to say the least. Maybe she is, yet again, trying to balance to very different agendas and needs.


  • #5434
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    I was called a liar the other night and accused of fabricating a wife because I had said that her hospital had a majority of covid cases acquired in hospital over people turning up solely with covid symptoms so bad that they required hospitalisation. Despite referencing her profession on boards over 10 years ago. And now there we have reports of over 50% in some hospitals during this wave. Her hospital has always and still does have more people in it with hospital acquired covid than people coming in with symptoms for it. And it's not all people coming in with bumps and bruises or sprains and testing positive. Some are people who are in for more serious conditions and have already been in hospital for weeks. Look at the free beds, the admissions and discharges. You can see it in the figures for some hospitals. And I don't mean all hospitals. I only have input from one hospital.

    The point of my post was to offer another view of the situation from a first hand perspective. No agenda or down playing impact of covid as any of my other minimal posts in this forum would show. The case numbers are still the same regardless and not that it makes a massive difference to how people got it in terms of hospital capacity or the severity of the virus on an individual. But it does show that there is more info behind the stats. And it does have an impact on how people perceive the situation. Of course it's bad in hospitals. Holistically it's bad because of covid. Anyone who says it's grand or A and E is empty and flu seasons are just as bad are talking boll0x. But I do think using the words admissions without additional context adds unnecessary fear. Even my own mother was terrified when reading reports of 100-200 admissions in 24 hours, despite not leaving the house. It's implied that people from the community are so sick from covid that they pouring into hospitals each day during level 5 restrictions. It breeds a lot of fear for people who may be struggling enough already.


  • #5435
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    I was called a liar the other night and accused of fabricating a wife because I had said that her hospital had a majority of covid cases acquired in hospital over people turning up solely with covid symptoms so bad that they required hospitalisation. Despite referencing her profession on boards over 10 years ago. And now there we have reports of over 50% in some hospitals during this wave. Her hospital has always and still does have more people in it with hospital acquired covid than people coming in with symptoms for it. And it's not all people coming in with bumps and bruises or sprains and testing positive. Some are people who are in for more serious conditions and have already been in hospital for weeks. Look at the free beds, the admissions and discharges. You can see it in the figures for some hospitals. And I don't mean all hospitals. I only have input from one hospital.

    The point of my post was to offer another view of the situation from a first hand perspective. No agenda or down playing impact of covid as any of my other minimal posts in this forum would show. The case numbers are still the same regardless and not that it makes a massive difference to how people got it in terms of hospital capacity or the severity of the virus on an individual. But it does show that there is more info behind the stats. And it does have an impact on how people perceive the situation. Of course it's bad in hospitals. Holistically it's bad because of covid. Anyone who says it's grand or A and E is empty and flu seasons are just as bad are talking boll0x. But I do think using the words admissions without additional context adds unnecessary fear. Even my own mother was terrified when reading reports of 100-200 admissions in 24 hours, despite not leaving the house. It's implied that people from the community are so sick from covid that they pouring into hospitals each day during level 5 restrictions. It breeds a lot of fear for people who may be struggling enough already.

    Yes, have to say I did doubt that post a couple of days ago but deserves a few apologies now!


  • #5436
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Today has seen the first daily fall in ICU numbers since 26/12. The Hospital curve is also starting to flatten


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  • #5437
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Entirely anecdotal and not remotely verified so take with a pinch of salt but I've heard rumours of upper management in one particular Dublin private hospital seeing fit to inoculate themselves before front line staff..

    Type of thing that could just as easily be a malicious rumour as to be true.


  • #5438
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    I've seen loads of people request this grim data.
    Well, here it is

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1350037510211166208?s=20


  • #5439
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Entirely anecdotal and not remotely verified so take with a pinch of salt but I've heard rumours of upper management in one particular Dublin private hospital seeing fit to inoculate themselves before front line staff..

    Type of thing that could just as easily be a malicious rumour as to be true.

    There was something in the papers last week about this I think, and a poster on here had some experience of it from a family HCW.


  • #5440
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Today has seen the first daily fall in ICU numbers since 26/12. The Hospital curve is also starting to flatten

    I don’t want to be negative but how many of those have died rather than been moved onto a general ward?


  • #5441
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Gael23 wrote: »
    I don’t want to be negative but how many of those have died rather than been moved onto a general ward?

    Latest HSE report (from yesterday) has 5 ICU deaths in the last 24hrs


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  • #5442
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Gael23 wrote: »
    I don’t want to be negative but how many of those have died rather than been moved onto a general ward?
    You can roughly work it out;

    176 in ICU yesterday, 10 discharged and 12 admitted should mean there are 178 in ICU today. But there 173, so most likely 5 patients have died.


  • #5443
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    I was called a liar the other night and accused of fabricating a wife because I had said that her hospital had a majority of covid cases acquired in hospital over people turning up solely with covid symptoms so bad that they required hospitalisation. Despite referencing her profession on boards over 10 years ago. And now there we have reports of over 50% in some hospitals during this wave. Her hospital has always and still does have more people in it with hospital acquired covid than people coming in with symptoms for it. And it's not all people coming in with bumps and bruises or sprains and testing positive. Some are people who are in for more serious conditions and have already been in hospital for weeks. Look at the free beds, the admissions and discharges. You can see it in the figures for some hospitals. And I don't mean all hospitals. I only have input from one hospital.

    The point of my post was to offer another view of the situation from a first hand perspective. No agenda or down playing impact of covid as any of my other minimal posts in this forum would show. The case numbers are still the same regardless and not that it makes a massive difference to how people got it in terms of hospital capacity or the severity of the virus on an individual. But it does show that there is more info behind the stats. And it does have an impact on how people perceive the situation. Of course it's bad in hospitals. Holistically it's bad because of covid. Anyone who says it's grand or A and E is empty and flu seasons are just as bad are talking boll0x. But I do think using the words admissions without additional context adds unnecessary fear. Even my own mother was terrified when reading reports of 100-200 admissions in 24 hours, despite not leaving the house. It's implied that people from the community are so sick from covid that they pouring into hospitals each day during level 5 restrictions. It breeds a lot of fear for people who may be struggling enough already.

    The response was well over the top and should warrant lots of apologies.

    Appreciate the alternative view


  • #5444
    Herb Powell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Entirely anecdotal and not remotely verified so take with a pinch of salt but I've heard rumours of upper management in one particular Dublin private hospital seeing fit to inoculate themselves before front line staff..

    Type of thing that could just as easily be a malicious rumour as to be true.

    But sure may as well post it anyway!


  • #5445
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Herb Powell wrote: »
    But sure may as well post it anyway!

    Isn't that how message boards work no?

    I didn't pass it off as fact or anything other than an unverified rumour. So not sure what your problem is.


  • #5446
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    I was called a liar the other night and accused of fabricating a wife because I had said that her hospital had a majority of covid cases acquired in hospital over people turning up solely with covid symptoms so bad that they required hospitalisation. Despite referencing her profession on boards over 10 years ago. And now there we have reports of over 50% in some hospitals during this wave. Her hospital has always and still does have more people in it with hospital acquired covid than people coming in with symptoms for it. And it's not all people coming in with bumps and bruises or sprains and testing positive. Some are people who are in for more serious conditions and have already been in hospital for weeks. Look at the free beds, the admissions and discharges. You can see it in the figures for some hospitals. And I don't mean all hospitals. I only have input from one hospital.

    The point of my post was to offer another view of the situation from a first hand perspective. No agenda or down playing impact of covid as any of my other minimal posts in this forum would show. The case numbers are still the same regardless and not that it makes a massive difference to how people got it in terms of hospital capacity or the severity of the virus on an individual. But it does show that there is more info behind the stats. And it does have an impact on how people perceive the situation. Of course it's bad in hospitals. Holistically it's bad because of covid. Anyone who says it's grand or A and E is empty and flu seasons are just as bad are talking boll0x. But I do think using the words admissions without additional context adds unnecessary fear. Even my own mother was terrified when reading reports of 100-200 admissions in 24 hours, despite not leaving the house. It's implied that people from the community are so sick from covid that they pouring into hospitals each day during level 5 restrictions. It breeds a lot of fear for people who may be struggling enough already.

    Well thought out reply. Theres one or two posters in particular who owe you an apology(they know who they are) for claiming you were essentially making up that you had a wife despite you having posted infrequently going way back, and having family in the health service when you posted about vaccination etc I had heard the very same from my family.


  • #5447
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Entirely anecdotal and not remotely verified so take with a pinch of salt but I've heard rumours of upper management in one particular Dublin private hospital seeing fit to inoculate themselves before front line staff..

    Type of thing that could just as easily be a malicious rumour as to be true.
    Colm Henry is also aware of the reports and they will be issuing further guidance to hospitals on who should be vaccinated. TBH as most have already been vaccinated it's not much of an issue, even if true.


  • #5448
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    I see France is introducing a nationwide 6pm curfew from today for 14 days. Could do with something similar here to halt the spread.


  • #5449
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Colm Henry is also aware of the reports and they will be issuing further guidance to hospitals on who should be vaccinated. TBH as most have already been vaccinated it's not much of an issue, even if true.

    so there may be some veracity to it..

    ridiculous that explicit guidance would even be necessary in the first instance but there we are...

    all in it together


  • #5450
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Is it true that most medical staff have been inoculated already? Great achievement if so but that's the first I've heard of it.


  • #5451
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Colm Henry is also aware of the reports and they will be issuing further guidance to hospitals on who should be vaccinated. TBH as most have already been vaccinated it's not much of an issue, even if true.

    It may not be a huge issue but it would be seen to be so by the public . People would be furious if it was known that top management were getting it before some frontline workers .Then where would that end , managements family or friends ? I Personally see it as a big issue as it shows gross unfairness


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  • #5452
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Klonker wrote: »
    In some hospitals over half of covid patients picked it in the hospital. I know its an easily spread virus but surely more can be done to stop the spread in these hospitals, we should be improved in these things since last March.

    https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/up-to-23-people-died-this-month-after-contracting-virus-in-hospital-outbreak-39971044.html

    Yes, my relation has been infected in hospital in the last week.

    He is aged approx 75-78, and is in hosp for other reasons.

    So he was infected by either staff or other patients, is that a fair point?

    But if the staff all wear PPE, how could the staff be causing the transmission?


  • #5453
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Geuze wrote: »
    Yes, my relation has been infected in hospital in the last week.

    He is aged approx 75-78, and is in hosp for other reasons.

    So he was infected by either staff or other patients, is that a fair point?

    But if the staff all wear PPE, how could the staff be causing the transmission?

    sorry to hear about your relation

    it's airborne so I suppose staff don't have to transmit anything

    would that therefore be classed as an admission?


  • #5454
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    lawred2 wrote: »
    so there may be some veracity to it..

    ridiculous that explicit guidance would even be necessary in the first instance but there we are...

    all in it together
    Suggestions that people were using up allocated remaining doses to avoid them being wasted are just as credible. People will believe what they want on this and outrage is such a great currency.


  • #5455
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Is it true that most medical staff have been inoculated already? Great achievement if so but that's the first I've heard of it.

    77,303 vaccine doses administered up to midnight on January 13.

    69,378 of them are frontline healthcare workers.

    7,925 in long term care facilities.


  • #5456
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Geuze wrote: »
    Yes, my relation has been infected in hospital in the last week.


    But if the staff all wear PPE, how could the staff be causing the transmission?

    PEE could never be watertight I'm afraid


  • #5457
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    It may not be a huge issue but it would be seen to be so by the public . People would be furious if it was known that top management were getting it before some frontline workers .Then where would that end , managements family or friends ? I Personally see it as a big issue as it shows gross unfairness
    Some people are perpetually furious throughout this anyway and it takes little to set them off. As has been explained here and by the HSE some people may not be frontline HCWs but are patient facing. I also see it as a smart call to use up remaining doses even if some "less deserving" people get them.


  • #5458
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Virus only needs one opportunity to spread in an indoor environment. Controlling spread in a hospital is bloody difficult. So many potential ways for transmission to occur. Also cannot discount an admitted patient who tests negative may not have incubated the virus long enough yet and gets incorrectly attributed to hospital acquired infection.


  • #5459
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Colm Henry is also aware of the reports and they will be issuing further guidance to hospitals on who should be vaccinated. TBH as most have already been vaccinated it's not much of an issue, even if true.

    That's like saying that if you aren't caught for a crime then it doesn't matter. There should be an investigation and if management broke the rules then there should be consequences. There are no excuses.


  • #5460
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    I see France is introducing a nationwide 6pm curfew from today for 14 days. Could do with something similar here to halt the spread.
    I don't understand how a curfew in January would make any difference whatsoever

    We'll never have a curfew here


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  • #5461
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    polesheep wrote: »
    That's like saying that if you aren't caught for a crime then it doesn't matter. There should be an investigation and if management broke the rules then there should be consequences. There are no excuses.
    What rules?


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