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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #5402
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What did Americans who lost their job get? Hundreds of thousands here got the 350 per week for months, while those with jobs could still live on their own resources. In america everyone is getting $2k, when in reality the majority of the population dont need it, while a minority need much more

    Are you for real? Do you think everyone who works is on a Google salary?


  • #5403
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Are you for real? Do you think everyone who works is on a Google salary?

    How did people who continued to work have increased spending requirements?


  • #5404
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Every American getting $2,000 regardless of situation. What have workers in Ireland gotten so far (well, absolutely nothing) and what can we expect to get? America caring much more for its citizens - and this was backed even by trump. Does the Irish government believe working households haven't suffered due to covid? Why is no one in the media talking about this?

    If you were unemployed due to Covid would you rather 350 per week for the last 40 weeks (14k) or 2k now?

    Then secondly, of you are working and have not lost any income, why would you need anything from government?


  • #5405
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,056 ✭✭✭✭fits


    marno21 wrote: »
    1843 in hospital this morning (+58 on last night). 171 in ICU (+1 on last night)

    ICU seems to be stabilising somewhat. Hospital growth continues, but it’d be interesting to see a breakdown of admissions vs hospital acquired cases.

    I wonder if some are admitted not having had a test. I noticed some people on twitter say they were too sick to get tested. I just wonder if they count as a covid admission if no positive test before admission.


  • #5406
    PatrickSmithUS
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭PatrickSmithUS


    lucernarian wrote: »
    The posting history suggests they crop up whenever someone takes the HSE to task over mistakes or contradictions.


    Which is all the time. See here.


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  • #5407
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    marno21 wrote: »
    1843 in hospital this morning (+58 on last night). 171 in ICU (+1 on last night)

    ICU seems to be stabilising somewhat. Hospital growth continues, but it’d be interesting to see a breakdown of admissions vs hospital acquired cases.

    Icu is probably last nights figure (with a correction) as they dont publish morning updates for icu till later.


  • #5408
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Sofa King Great wrote: »

    Then secondly, of you are working and have not lost any income, why would you need anything from government?

    Because you are suffering just like everyone else because of the situation, and on top of it you have to deal with a very stressful job that leaves you destroyed most days? Like have you worked a day in your life or are just winding people up?


  • #5409
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ugh, turned on Newstalk this morning for the first time in a good few weeks, and I heard Pat Kenny and guests STILL going on about zero COVID. And the message being that we need to close our borders until the world is vaccinated, given that there is a risk of new variants from anywhere in the world that might be able to evade the vaccine.

    Will he ever live in the real world? I'll check in in another 3 months and see if he is going on about the same thing


  • #5410
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Are you for real? Do you think everyone who works is on a Google salary?

    Do you think the state should spend the equivalent of 10 billion dollars giving everyone, including those that work for Google, a load of cash?

    Personally I think things like PUP, business supports and universal access to health-care are much better ways to spend our money.


  • #5411
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Because you are suffering just like everyone else because of the situation, and on top of it you have to deal with a very stressful job that leaves you destroyed most days? Like have you worked a day in your life or are just winding people up?

    So we are operating at a deficit of approx €28bn a year and you think we should borrow an additional €9bn just to give everyone a present because it has been hard on them? You realise you'd only end up paying that back in tax?


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  • #5412
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Because you are suffering just like everyone else because of the situation, and on top of it you have to deal with a very stressful job that leaves you destroyed most days? Like have you worked a day in your life or are just winding people up?

    Top trolling


  • #5413
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,056 ✭✭✭✭fits


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Ugh, turned on Newstalk this morning for the first time in a good few weeks, and I heard Pat Kenny and guests STILL going on about zero COVID. And the message being that we need to close our borders until the world is vaccinated, given that there is a risk of new variants from anywhere in the world that might be able to evade the vaccine.

    Will he ever live in the real world? I'll check in in another 3 months and see if he is going on about the same thing

    I honestly think it’s our best chance at a semi normal life this year. But it would need to be all island.


  • #5414
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The_Brood wrote: »
    America caring much more for its citizens
    Thanks, I needed a good laugh this morning.


  • #5415
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Thanks , DH ,enjoying the stats over breakfast now :)
    Yes , too much going on .
    It's just the oul " we'll fight them on the beaches " mentality kicks in .. ;)

    Well a woman was fined by Gardai for walking alone by herself on a beach in Midleton, more than 5km from her home, so I guess you are fighting them on the beaches.


  • #5416
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    marno21 wrote: »
    1843 in hospital this morning (+58 on last night). 171 in ICU (+1 on last night)

    ICU seems to be stabilising somewhat. Hospital growth continues, but it’d be interesting to see a breakdown of admissions vs hospital acquired cases.
    Hospital growth has drastically slowed down. The actual daily admissions numbers appears to have peaked, right on schedule. It'll be another week or so before we see the admissions numbers drop in any meaningful way, but the discharges should start overtaking the admissions numbers, meaning that on balance the hospital numbers will drop.

    ICU numbers are fed by admissions, so ICU should in theory keep rising for another week or so. The current stall might just be temporary.

    If we get through this without hitting 2,000 in hospital (and we may not even hit 1,900), then it will have beaten all of the best-case scenario predictions, which is a testament to just how much Irish people knuckle down when they have to. "Work hard and play hard" is often used by foreign employers to describe the Irish, and that seems apt here too.


  • #5417
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    In some hospitals over half of covid patients picked it in the hospital. I know its an easily spread virus but surely more can be done to stop the spread in these hospitals, we should be improved in these things since last March.

    https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/up-to-23-people-died-this-month-after-contracting-virus-in-hospital-outbreak-39971044.html


  • #5418
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Seems a fairly patronising way of framing it

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/schools-to-reopen-in-february-if-public-cooperates-over-covid-19-minister-says-1064925.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


  • #5419
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Seems a fairly patronising way of framing it

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/schools-to-reopen-in-february-if-public-cooperates-over-covid-19-minister-says-1064925.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Woman is a lying clown


  • #5420
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Seems a fairly patronising way of framing it

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/schools-to-reopen-in-february-if-public-cooperates-over-covid-19-minister-says-1064925.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    It seems a tad early when we are still where we are, albeit good signs developing. I'd rather they didn't 'commit' to potential dates like this until there were clearer signs of stabilisation.


  • #5421
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Woman is a lying clown

    She's doing her best in a terrible situation.


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  • #5422
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭alentejo


    I think schools need to get back asap.
    NPHET have continuously stated that schools have a lower rate of transmission that other sectors -School is not risk free, but certainly its lower risk than other activities that happen out there plus there are long term consequences for abandoning schooling which will be evident long after the pandemic has passed. Children run the risk for long term disadvantage which may impact there prospects going forward!

    Yes, numbers are high, however hopefully in early February, schools will return.

    I might be no huge fan of the current minister for education, however she is simply doing her job to ensure schools return safely and as promptly as possible. If she didn't do this, she would not be doing her job!


  • #5423
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    She's doing her best in a terrible situation.

    She doesn't seem to lead though in terms of the schools issue, seems to hide behind the main leaders a lot and repeat what they've said. Maybe that's just my impression.


  • #5424
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,865 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    alentejo wrote: »
    School is not risk free, but certainly its lower risk than other activities that happen out there

    Activities that are currently happening, sanctioned by the government?:confused:


  • #5425
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    She's doing her best in a terrible situation.

    I wouldn't call flat out lying about consulting nphet and unions about reopening as doing her best.


  • #5426
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    She's doing her best in a terrible situation.

    Maybe. But she's potentially giving a lot of people false hope, while simultaneously being condescending to the general public.

    She also seems to be out flying that kite alone.


  • #5427
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    PO!NT wrote: »
    Ireland has second highest vaccine administration rate in EU - RTE

    Every time the Media or the HSE spurt out this Eurovision nonsense, things go belly up.
    Only if the supply chain breaks down. It is proof that there is a plan and that so far they are capable of carrying it out. It's very early days and look to the media, in March, proclaiming the mass vaccination centres are a "disaster" or "not fit for purpose".


  • #5428
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    fits wrote: »
    I honestly think it’s our best chance at a semi normal life this year. But it would need to be all island.

    I disagree, I think that the only way it would work is at an EU level. I would not be at all supportive of an Ireland only zero COVID approach - even if all island.

    Especially in the kind of timescale that PK's guest was talking about, which was basically until there is no further risk of importing COVID variants from anywhere in the world. Which will not be until COVID s effectively eliminated worldwide - and god knows how many years that will be


  • #5429
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ugh, turned on Newstalk this morning for the first time in a good few weeks, and I heard Pat Kenny and guests STILL going on about zero COVID. And the message being that we need to close our borders until the world is vaccinated, given that there is a risk of new variants from anywhere in the world that might be able to evade the vaccine.

    Will he ever live in the real world? I'll check in in another 3 months and see if he is going on about the same thing

    The zero covid is unrealistic, but the continuing restrictions for the rest of the year and beyond are probably real. Sure even with fully vaccinated population they will still be very cautious come next winter, due to possible variants there will likely be a few generations of vaccine and a lot more research before confidence fully returns.


  • #5430
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    She doesn't seem to lead though in terms of the schools issue, seems to hide behind the main leaders a lot and repeat what they've said. Maybe that's just my impression.

    Well, I would imagine she's under huge pressure from NPHEtT, unions and other ministers who want the schools open for economic reasons. All with diverse opinions and agendas. She may be out of her depth but at least she is a teacher. It's a simple fact that many government ministers in Ireland and across the world are in a similar situation due to this pandemic. I don't know the woman but I doubt is she's a "lying clown" though.


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  • #5431
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Well, I would imagine she's under huge pressure from NPHEtT, unions and other ministers who want the schools open for economic reasons. All with diverse opinions and agendas. She may be out of her depth but at least she is a teacher. It's a simple fact that many government ministers in Ireland and across the world are in a similar situation due to this pandemic. I don't know the woman but I doubt is she's a "lying clown" though.

    Actually Norma quotes a letter fromNPHET date 5th Jan saying schools are safe, as her reason for bringing Students with additoinal needs and SET back into school next week.

    The same letter has in bold print on the last page, the schools should stay closed due to high community transmission.


    She seems to have ignored that bit again, that was the part she got flack on last week for trying to bing LC in 3 days a week. So I would wonder is this another solo run


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