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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #5372
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    What is the point of seeing Phillip Nolan talk about graphs that we cannot see ?

    Why have they not sorted this out at this point?!
    Could we just have the graph with the signer and just him doing voiceover ?

    Glad to see that many of the good guys and front-liners such as you are still slugging it
    out on this thread for the greater good (I truly don't know how you do it!).

    On the slides (which are well hidden on the DoH website):

    Philip Nolan's are here:
    And the CMO's here:
    Thanks again to you and the other stalwarts - and always pick your battles ;)


  • #5373
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Has he Covid?

    Have you?


  • #5374
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Miike wrote: »
    I saw that - That's what my message is about. That stat shocked the jocks off me :eek:

    If you ow the daily stats that spookwoman publishes its pretty clear tbh


    The net admissions versus discharges is always lower than increased hospital cases


  • #5375
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    Stheno wrote: »
    If you ow the daily stats that spookwoman publishes its pretty clear tbh


    The net admissions versus discharges is always lower than increased hospital cases

    Yeah I hadn't really considered the numbers of it this time around and I knew nosocomial infections were high I just didn't think they were that high! Maybe I was in a state of denial? I think I preferred being in denial.

    I'd give my last rolo to see a hospital by hospital breakdown. That would trigger a serious event though so I doubt we will ever see it!


  • #5376
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    The concern is that even if vaccinated, you may not be immune and could still pass it on. I do understand that if infected post vaccine, the severity of the illness should be much reduced.

    So until everyone gets the jab, I hope caution is advised. I’ll prob get mine in the Autumn by the looks of the charts and info.

    Sorry to sound a bit downbeat, but we all have our good days and not so good.


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  • #5377
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The concern is that even if vaccinated, you may not be immune and could still pass it on. I do understand that if infected post vaccine, the severity of the illness should be much reduced.

    So until everyone gets the jab, I hope caution is advised. I’ll prob get mine in the Autumn by the looks of the charts and info.

    Sorry to sound a bit downbeat, but we all have our good days and not so good    .

    Always thought you were much older and would have been higher up the queue.

    So every cloud and all that!


  • #5378
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The concern is that even if vaccinated, you may not be immune and could still pass it on. I do understand that if infected post vaccine, the severity of the illness should be much reduced.

    So until everyone gets the jab, I hope caution is advised. I’ll prob get mine in the Autumn by the looks of the charts and info.

    Sorry to sound a bit downbeat, but we all have our good days and not so good.

    The wind was whipped out of my sails several times today, so I hear you on the good days and bad days sentiment.

    Look on the positive side of things; demand for vaccination is sky high at the moment. The more people who take it, the more society benefits from the vaccine. Let's hope the vaccine thirst doesn't die off in people. We always knew this first series of vaccines had the caveat that we'd see public health measures continue for a while as we don't have data on if they prevent/reduce transmission but here's a bit of good news: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-data-shows-50-reduction-in-infections-14-days-after-first-vaccine-shot/

    Let's just hope that there is no complacency in terms of social distancing, masks etc and we might see something great yet :)


  • #5379
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Miike wrote: »
    The wind was whipped out of my sails several times today, so I hear you on the good days and bad days sentiment.

    Look on the positive side of things; demand for vaccination is sky high at the moment. The more people who take it, the more society benefits from the vaccine. Let's hope the vaccine thirst doesn't die off in people. We always knew this first series of vaccines had the caveat that we'd see public health measures continue for a while as we don't have data on if they prevent/reduce transmission but here's a bit of good news: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-data-shows-50-reduction-in-infections-14-days-after-first-vaccine-shot/

    Let's just hope that there is no complacency in terms of social distancing, masks etc and we might see something great yet :)

    Thanks for the positivity. Kind of you to say it.


  • #5380
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    Have you?

    I see humour is not your forte.


  • #5381
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,060 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    You were told to stay under your bed, trembling in fear, while all the real men and women should be allowed go about their business, which was mostly drain pints and go shopping.

    You were told to cop on, stop fear mongering, spreading NPHET propaganda. You were a bed wetting curtain twitcher. You wanted to destroy the economy.

    Funny, most of these nasty posts have disappeared, along with their writers.

    The famous hugger of faces springs to mind, with the nasty, belittling posts. Nowhere to be found now.

    And those saying “ah, let’s move on, we all made mistakes, let’s work together now” it’s a bit late for that chum.

    Comparisons with members of the GOP talking this week about not impeaching Trump because now is a time for unity comes to mind reading this.


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  • #5382
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There are no direct flights anyway to the UK or Ireland. So not exactly hard for anyone from S America to bypass the ban. Like if someone transits through Frankfurt and doesn’t volunteer that they started in Rio, how is anyone supposed to know

    The ban is hardly worth it

    It's not like we could say anyone normally resident in Brazil or anyone who was there in the last month cannot enter.


    We absolutely can. We prefer locking people in their homes here, cancelling school and cancelling non emergency hospital care so I agree that they won't do anything. Idiots.


  • #5383
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Can anyone explain why China would block entry to people who test positive for antibodies? I thought that's a good thing.

    https://twitter.com/Quicktake/status/1349944354266378241?s=20


  • #5384
    leanin2019
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭leanin2019


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Merkel has said that germany's strict lockdown will go on til April

    Germany has one of the highest ICU capacities. According to the table at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

    And according to the OECD https://www.oecd.org/coronavirus/en/data-insights/intensive-care-beds-capacity

    So why do they need to go on as strict a lockdown - there must be other factors at play?

    intensive-care-beds-capacity.JPG


  • #5385
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    leanin2019 wrote: »
    So why do they need to go on as strict a lockdown - there must be other factors at play?

    Consistently over 1,000 deaths per day might do it?


  • #5386
    leanin2019
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭leanin2019


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Consistently over 1,000 deaths per day might do it?

    This is true although bare in mind their population is 83 million, 16 times Ireland's.

    Their case numbers have not been so high per capita as ours..

    Unfortunately we will probably see some high death numbers over next few weeks.

    Just makes me think, with Germany having over 5-6x the intensive care beds as Ireland does, and they aren't coping at all...


  • #5387
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    leanin2019 wrote: »
    Just makes me think, with Germany having over 5-6x the intensive care beds as Ireland does, and they aren't coping at all...

    I have not heard anything in the news to say they are not coping?

    Putting restrictions in place until April is probably to ensure that they do/remain to cope.


  • #5388
    leanin2019
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭leanin2019


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    I have not heard anything in the news to say they are not coping?

    Putting restrictions in place until April is probably to ensure that they do/remain to cope.

    "not coping" was probably the wrong way to put it

    5-6x the ICU according to those tables and still very much struggling.


  • #5389
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    Glad to see that many of the good guys and front-liners such as you are still slugging it
    out on this thread for the greater good (I truly don't know how you do it!).

    On the slides (which are well hidden on the DoH website):

    Philip Nolan's are here:
    And the CMO's here:
    Thanks again to you and the other stalwarts - and always pick your battles ;)

    Thanks , DH ,enjoying the stats over breakfast now :)
    Yes , too much going on .
    It's just the oul " we'll fight them on the beaches " mentality kicks in .. ;)


  • #5390
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭Polar101


    leanin2019 wrote: »

    So why do they need to go on as strict a lockdown - there must be other factors at play?

    The idea is to suppress the disease, not to have as many people hospitalised as possible.


  • #5391
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭prunudo


    leanin2019 wrote: »
    Germany has one of the highest ICU capacities. According to the table at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

    And according to the OECD https://www.oecd.org/coronavirus/en/data-insights/intensive-care-beds-capacity

    So why do they need to go on as strict a lockdown - there must be other factors at play?
    ]

    A poster mentioned the other day that their current restrictions aren't as strict as ours at present. No 5km limit and still allowed have one other household visit.
    I find the word lockdown very misleading as it has meant so many things over the last 10 months and varies from country to country. Its actually definition is far different from how people use it.


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  • #5392
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    The figure for 2 million covid deaths was passed yesterday, the 100 million cases figure will be reached soon. The US is clocking 4k covid deaths per day nearly every day now, it'll reach 400k covid deaths total today. In positive news they vaccinated 750k in the US yesterday, they'll hit a million a day soon but still need to be vastly increasing that number.


  • #5393
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    leanin2019 wrote: »
    Germany has one of the highest ICU capacities. According to the table at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

    And according to the OECD https://www.oecd.org/coronavirus/en/data-insights/intensive-care-beds-capacity

    So why do they need to go on as strict a lockdown - there must be other factors at play?

    intensive-care-beds-capacity.JPG

    Having great ICU capacity doesn't matter when a virus transmits at a very high R0 . Eventually will need restrictions especially now with more transmissible variants


  • #5394
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    prunudo wrote: »
    A poster mentioned the other day that their current restrictions aren't as strict as ours at present. No 5km limit and still allowed have one other household visit.
    I find the word lockdown very misleading as it has meant so many things over the last 10 months and varies from country to country. Its actually definition is far different from how people use it.

    France now with a 6pm curfew. That's a strict lockdown.


  • #5395
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Every American getting $2,000 regardless of situation. What have workers in Ireland gotten so far (well, absolutely nothing) and what can we expect to get? America caring much more for its citizens - and this was backed even by trump. Does the Irish government believe working households haven't suffered due to covid? Why is no one in the media talking about this?


  • #5396
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    leanin2019 wrote: »
    Germany has one of the highest ICU capacities. According to the table at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

    And according to the OECD https://www.oecd.org/coronavirus/en/data-insights/intensive-care-beds-capacity

    So why do they need to go on as strict a lockdown - there must be other factors at play?

    intensive-care-beds-capacity.JPG

    I wonder is what is defined as an ICU bed the same in different countries?

    While Germany is undoubtedly far better resourced in this regards than we are, and far better run also, the have been having problems achieving enough ICU capacity in some regions, not due to bed shortage, but due to staffing levels. I know we only define an ICU bed as being both the equipment and the resourcing. Do other countries do similar?


  • #5397
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Yup, they were not driving for burgers. People are so innocent :)

    They must have been pretty dim to come up with such a stupid excuse. Did they really think the Guards would say "that's grand. Have a nice day".


  • #5398
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    1843 in hospital this morning (+58 on last night). 171 in ICU (+1 on last night)

    ICU seems to be stabilising somewhat. Hospital growth continues, but it’d be interesting to see a breakdown of admissions vs hospital acquired cases.


  • #5399
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Every American getting $2,000 regardless of situation. What have workers in Ireland gotten so far (well, absolutely nothing) and what can we expect to get? America caring much more for its citizens - and this was backed even by trump. Does the Irish government believe working households haven't suffered due to covid? Why is no one in the media talking about this?

    Revenue is sending out bills today to those that availed of the TWSS or PUP. Does a bill count?


  • #5400
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Every American getting $2,000 regardless of situation. What have workers in Ireland gotten so far (well, absolutely nothing) and what can we expect to get? America caring much more for its citizens - and this was backed even by trump. Does the Irish government believe working households haven't suffered due to covid? Why is no one in the media talking about this?

    What did Americans who lost their job get? Hundreds of thousands here got the 350 per week for months, while those with jobs could still live on their own resources. In america everyone is getting $2k, when in reality the majority of the population dont need it, while a minority need much more


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  • #5401
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Every American getting $2,000 regardless of situation. What have workers in Ireland gotten so far (well, absolutely nothing) and what can we expect to get? America caring much more for its citizens - and this was backed even by trump. Does the Irish government believe working households haven't suffered due to covid? Why is no one in the media talking about this?


    Are you serious ?


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