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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Restrictions are simply not working.

    Asking healthy people to give up their jobs, businesses and social lives for a disease that doesn’t impact them just is not sustainable.

    Putting clever steps in place to protect nursing homes is something simple that should have been done 10 months ago and would have cut the deaths in half at least.

    Believing that lockdown is the ONLY solution with thousands of cases a day is bizarre to me.

    A neighbour of mine passed away in the early hours of Tuesday morning from Covid. He was 47 and leaves behind a wife and 3 kids.

    He wasn't in a nursing home obviously and had no health issues previous to catching Covid.

    Yes he's an outlier as most people who catch this and pass on are older but without a lockdown there would be many more like him on a daily basis and probably hundreds of older people.

    Restrictions do work and tbh anyone who fails to realise that almost a year into this pandemic is wilfully ignoring the science.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Mac-Chops wrote: »
    Hope this lad doesn't be at the auld gambling too much.

    He must have lost his right.......


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    MOR316 - you are still threadbanned - 2 week forum ban for second breach of this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Just dipping into the very early threads. How different it all was back then! Posters are almost giddy now in comparison!

    Here's one from thread III - early March. :D


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112715531&postcount=6164


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    The restrictions were working. The spike occurred when we lifted them for Christmas. All the evidence would suggest the restrictions worked extremely well and the dramatic rise in numbers of infections absolutely underlines that.

    Until we get to a high % of vaccinations, enough to ensure herd immunity, we have no other tools available to us other than physically preventing spread. So unfortunately, we are going to have to manage this. Otherwise you’re looking at sustained high levels of deaths.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    I can't find it now, but there was a poster on one of the threads in mid December who said we were on track for over 1000+ cases a day come New Years and they were given dogs abuse and called a doom monger who must love misery and lockdown etc.

    In response others reassured us that we'd probably be down to double figures by New Years since there's actually a conspiracy to hide the truth that schools are the major spreader, and with schools closed transmission will drop to almost nothing.

    Sorry for the late reply, but it’s true. I remember someone must’ve predicted 1000 cases by Christmas actually, and a very prominent poster, who actually always posted very informative information, laughed and said some posters obviously wear NPHET t-shirts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    So please explain thousands of cases a day when we’ve been locked down or heavily restricted for at least 8 of the last 10 months.

    Restrictions were eased in the run-up to Christmas, and a lot of people didn't even adhere to the relaxed restrictions


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Im just making the point about the obsession with christmas people seem to have.

    Ive never understood it.....and the one year where people could have enjoyed a nice, quiet christmas by themselves.....they p1ssed it away...

    Tubridy and his like have overhyped christmas to death....

    That suit he wore during the toy show was revolting. My little fella said "I thought you said there would be toys?" So we both agree to turn it off. Too many jazz hands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭Psychedelic Hedgehog


    So please explain thousands of cases a day when we’ve been locked down or heavily restricted for at least 8 of the last 10 months.

    Exponential growth coupled with social distancing guidelines (which were still in place during the summer, lest anyone forgets) were thrown to the wind.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    It’s true. I remember someone must’ve predicted 1000 cases by Christmas actually, and a very prominent poster, who actually always posted very informative information, laughed and said some posters obviously wear NPHET t-shirts.

    I do think some people on here believe they control the virus! :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    RTE reporting HSPC data for some of the people admitted in last 2 weeks.

    U18; 51 in hospital, 3 in ICU.

    19-34: 196 in hospital, 3 in ICU.

    35-54: 307 in hospital, 18 in ICU.

    55-74: 522 in hospital, 55 in ICU.

    75-85+: 623 in hospital, 16 in ICU.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,861 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Im just making the point about the obsession with christmas people seem to have.

    Ive never understood it.....and the one year where people could have enjoyed a nice, quiet christmas by themselves.....they p1ssed it away...

    Tubridy and his like have overhyped christmas to death....



    If overhyping something helps raise 6.2 million for charities I can go along with some overhyping.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭oceanman


    degsie wrote: »
    What do you have to say for yourself today :rolleyes:
    he is in surgery at the moment!...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    MattS1 wrote: »
    If we've dropped from circa 6k cases to 3.5k cases in a few days. Could we drop from 3.5k to 1-2k soon enough?
    End of the month


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Just dipping into the very early threads. How different it all was back then! Posters are almost giddy now in comparison!

    Here's one from thread III - early March. :D


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112715531&postcount=6164

    Ah there was a good bit of banter in some of the very first threads. Strawberry did a brill list for us Doomsday Preppers :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,773 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    degsie wrote: »
    What do you have to say for yourself today :rolleyes:

    From today on he shall be known as a right bollocks :pac:( seen as he lost his left one)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,192 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Restrictions are simply not working.

    Asking healthy people to give up their jobs, businesses and social lives for a disease that doesn’t impact them just is not sustainable.

    Putting clever steps in place to protect nursing homes is something simple that should have been done 10 months ago and would have cut the deaths in half at least.

    Believing that lockdown is the ONLY solution with thousands of cases a day is bizarre to me.

    You do realise that we have thousands of cases a day now because restrictions were lifted previously? And the only thing that will eventually bring them down again is the current restrictions and people obeying the public health guidelines.

    Restrictions are the only thing that have been shown to bring numbers under control, on more than one occasion, and it's an absolute rock solid fact that when you loosen them numbers go up again - this has played out literally everywhere in the world.

    When you say they aren't working I think that you just fundamentally don't get the purpose of them. You seem to have this mistaken impression that they are designed to totally eradicate the virus and that used once they never have to used again. That's not how it is.

    All restrictions do is arrest the growth of the disease and halt it temporarily, they buy you time, they prevent your hospital systems becoming overwhelmed etc, etc. Unless you make the choice to go for a zero Covid strategy they do kick the can down the road, hopefully to the point where enough vaccination can ocurr so that a different strategy can be employed.

    I'd love to know what these "clever steps" are to protect nursing homes, beyond what is already been done. Covid is rampant in the community. Carers will bring it in to homes. The nature of the work they do involves close physical contact with residents. It's very naive to assume that nursing homes can be protected beyond increased risk if Covid is spreading like wildfire in the community at large, because it is going to get in. You suppress the risk at it's source: the wider community.

    Your obtuseness at ever seeing this is, quite frankly, bizarre.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Restrictions are simply not working.

    Asking healthy people to give up their jobs, businesses and social lives for a disease that doesn’t impact them just is not sustainable.

    Putting clever steps in place to protect nursing homes is something simple that should have been done 10 months ago and would have cut the deaths in half at least.

    Believing that lockdown is the ONLY solution with thousands of cases a day is bizarre to me.

    I get your first point.

    Second point. How can you be clever with a virus that has an incubation period between 2 days and 2 weeks. A negative PCR is fvck all use to you if the people who work there live in the wider community which they do.

    I'm all ears for the clever solution though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭NH2013


    Restrictions are simply not working.

    Asking healthy people to give up their jobs, businesses and social lives for a disease that doesn’t impact them just is not sustainable.

    Putting clever steps in place to protect nursing homes is something simple that should have been done 10 months ago and would have cut the deaths in half at least.

    Believing that lockdown is the ONLY solution with thousands of cases a day is bizarre to me.

    What are these clever steps then? Replacing all the nurses, cleaners, caterers, handy-men etc with robots? Because that's the only way to keep this out of nursing homes if it's rampant in the community.

    Staff in nursing homes are regularly tested so if one has caught the COVID then it should be found early on, they wear full PPE and have access to such for months now, they get temperature checks regularly and they are all aware of the importance of hand hygiene and ventilation.

    So what is your solution, how do you propose that nobody that works in a nursing home is exposed to COVID while they go about their daily lives, in order not to bring it into a nursing home when they go to work? How do you make sure that the husbands, wives, children or housemates of nursing home staff don't get COVID, so as not to give it to them and then bring it with them into the nursing home?

    As far as I can see, the only solutions to protecting nursing homes are to either reduce the transmission in the community, AKA Lockdown, so the staff aren't exposed or to replace the workers in nursing homes with robots, which is frankly a non-runner, outside of that, COVID will get in.

    This idea that nursing homes are to blame if COVID get's in and that there are simple solutions to keeping it out is just looking for an easy scapegoat.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Restrictions are simply not working.

    Asking healthy people to give up their jobs, businesses and social lives for a disease that doesn’t impact them just is not sustainable.

    Putting clever steps in place to protect nursing homes is something simple that should have been done 10 months ago and would have cut the deaths in half at least.

    Believing that lockdown is the ONLY solution with thousands of cases a day is bizarre to me.

    I get your point but as many feasible clever steps are being used as possible. I don't know of any country with widespread community transmission occurring that has managed to keep it out of most nursing homes, likewise with hospitals. A closed/shared communal facillity where many different professionals/carers and other workers must regularly come and go will always bring COVID into the facilities and the nature of their layout means it will always spread widely once anybody inside has been infected


  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Restrictions are simply not working.

    Asking healthy people to give up their jobs, businesses and social lives for a disease that doesn’t impact them just is not sustainable.

    Putting clever steps in place to protect nursing homes is something simple that should have been done 10 months ago and would have cut the deaths in half at least.

    Believing that lockdown is the ONLY solution with thousands of cases a day is bizarre to me.

    You simply don't get it. The more hospitalisations, the more elective procedures that are cancelled, the more breast cancer checks are postponed. You have your head in the sand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    So please explain thousands of cases a day when we’ve been locked down or heavily restricted for at least 8 of the last 10 months.
    Jesus H Christ... :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Restrictions are simply not working.

    Asking healthy people to give up their jobs, businesses and social lives for a disease that doesn’t impact them just is not sustainable.

    Putting clever steps in place to protect nursing homes is something simple that should have been done 10 months ago and would have cut the deaths in half at least.

    Believing that lockdown is the ONLY solution with thousands of cases a day is bizarre to me.

    How many cases do you think there would be now if there hadn't been restrictions? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    NH2013 wrote: »
    What are these clever steps then? Replacing all the nurses, cleaners, caterers, handy-men etc with robots? Because that's the only way to keep this out of nursing homes if it's rampant in the community.

    Staff in nursing homes are regularly tested so if one has caught the COVID then it should be found early on, they wear full PPE and have access to such for months now, they get temperature checks regularly and they are all aware of the importance of hand hygiene and ventilation.

    So what is your solution, how do you propose that nobody that works in a nursing home is exposed to COVID while they go about their daily lives, in order not to bring it into a nursing home when they go to work? How do you make sure that the husbands, wives, children or housemates of nursing home staff don't get COVID, so as not to give it to them and then bring it with them into the nursing home?

    As far as I can see, the only solutions to protecting nursing homes are to either reduce the transmission in the community, AKA Lockdown, so the staff aren't exposed or to replace the workers in nursing homes with robots, which is frankly a non-runner, outside of that, COVID will get in.

    This idea that nursing homes are to blame if COVID get's in and that there are simple solutions to keeping it out is just looking for an easy scapegoat.

    I suppose the nuclear option would have been to completely isolate each home's residents and staff (and staff's families, if they were up for it), have supplies dropped at the gate etc. Guess it wouldn't be realistic to expect staff to do that though...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    I bet Richard Hillmans last remaining right bollock that the vaccine rollout will not go according to Stephen Donnellys "plan"...

    Q1...700,000 Q2...1.5m
    Q3 Everyone!

    P*iss off you liar Donnelly....

    What kind of clowns speak in terms of "Quarters" anyway....americans and property porn w@nkers....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Maybe it’s time to put ‘ I TOLD YOU SO ‘ as a sticky here and then move on. Pages and pages or repeating the same anecdotes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    A neighbour of mine passed away in the early hours of Tuesday morning from Covid. He was 47 and leaves behind a wife and 3 kids.

    He wasn't in a nursing home obviously and had no health issues previous to catching Covid.

    Yes he's an outlier as most people who catch this and pass on are older but without a lockdown there would be many more like him on a daily basis and probably hundreds of older people.

    Restrictions do work and tbh anyone who fails to realise that almost a year into this pandemic is wilfully ignoring the science.

    I'm so sorry about your neighbor. A healthy friend of a friend at the same age died of "pneumonia" I think it was around last February, they'll never know if it was covid. This thing is so awful.

    Also I hate everyone who feels if you are elderly or if you have diabetes or are receiving cancer treatment etc. it doesn't actually matter when you die. I don't want to hate anyone but I feel so angry. Saying "oh yeah well they had underlying conditions" is incredibly heartless. Everyone has a right to live and age or a disability or a health condition doesn't mean that the rest of us aren't responsible for keeping you safe and shouldn't feel bad if we accidentally kill you because the restrictions were inconvenient


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    1,616 are men / 1,924 are women
    •54% are under 45 years of age
    •The median age is 42 years old
    •1,119 are in Dublin, 416 in Cork, 200 in Galway, 182 in Louth, 169 in Waterford, and remaining 1,483 are spread across all other counties

    Is there a breakdown of deaths by age? I see cases by age, and ICU by ages...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,192 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Maybe it’s time to put ‘ I TOLD YOU SO ‘ as a sticky here and then move on. Pages and pages or repeating the same anecdotes.

    Not half as boring as those who've never been right still posting the same nonsense.


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