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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #4502
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    normanoffside wrote: »
    This is incredible if true (and I believe it is).
    Is there possibly a link to something specific to Ireland? I have seen young covid deaths in other countries.

    https://twitter.com/indepdubnrth/status/1349127741329825799

    There's been a lot more than 20,402 cases in that age group and unfortunately 2 deaths. So does sound so incredible that it's not true.


  • #4503
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    There's been a lot more than 20,402 cases in that age group and unfortunately 2 deaths. So does sound so incredible that it's not true.

    Looks like case numbers are accurate until 11th December but could be much higher in the month since. The deaths seem inaccurate alright as it's listed as <5 and not 0: https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries18/


  • #4504
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    There's been a lot more than 20,402 cases in that age group and unfortunately 2 deaths. So does sound so incredible that it's not true.

    Yes wasn't there a teenager in the West with an underlying condition who died?


  • #4505
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Eod100 wrote: »
    If he's going off these figures he may have misinterpreted the data. The section 15-24 doesn't have 0 but < 5 deaths. I suspect it is the data he's using because the case number total tallies with it.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries18/

    He doesn't know how to read a table.
    A quick glance through his Twitter feed says it all!


  • #4506
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    what is?

    Not vaccinating everyone who has tested positive.


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  • #4507
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Renjit wrote: »
    So it looks like majority clinic workers are refusing to take vaccine where my spouse works. The owner was furious about that. Some vaccine = toxin crap and immunity is strong enough for any virus mumbo jumbo justification.

    History repeats.

    It should be a condition of employment


  • #4508
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    He doesn't know how to read a table.
    A quick glance through his Twitter feed says it all!

    Before they started using <5
    21/12/2020
    2 deaths between 15-24


  • #4509
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Eod100 wrote: »
    If he's going off these figures he may have misinterpreted the data. The section 15-24 doesn't have 0 but < 5 deaths. I suspect it is the data he's using because the case number total tallies with it.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries18/

    I believe the previous only death in the age group was the poor girl in Mayo with the terminal heart problems who was admitted to hospital without Covid. Her death was initially recorded as a suspected ( not confirmed) covid related death much to the chagrin of her family. and may even have been de-notified.


  • #4510
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    He doesn't know how to read a table.
    A quick glance through his Twitter feed says it all!

    Yup. He closed his practice in October because Medical Council were considering suspending him. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/gp-to-close-practice-after-threat-of-suspension-over-anti-mask-views-1.4375726


  • #4511
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    He doesn't know how to read a table.
    A quick glance through his Twitter feed says it all!

    He’s the guy who whistleblew the sending of hospitals patients from hospitals to nursing homes without Covid test causing a tsunami of deaths.
    He is not a Covid denier, frankly the opposite.


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  • #4512
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    normanoffside wrote: »
    I believe the previous only death in the age group was the poor girl in Mayo with the terminal heart problems who was admitted to hospital without Covid. Her death was initially recorded as a suspected ( not confirmed) covid related death much to the chagrin of her family. and may even have been de-notified.

    I'm not going to comment on a specific death out of respect for the deceased and their family. I don't know is there data specifying the exact number but as the data he's relying on is up to 11th December, it seems premature to state what he's asserting especially when deaths can be registered up to 3 months from date of death.

    I'm also wary of his agenda tbh.


  • #4513
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    normanoffside wrote: »
    He’s the guy who whistleblew the sending of hospitals patients from hospitals to nursing homes without Covid test causing a tsunami of deaths.
    He is not a Covid denier, frankly the opposite.

    He's an anti-vaxer, I don't have time for people like that.
    Thank God he's not a practicing doctor anymore


  • #4514
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Not vaccinating everyone who has tested positive.

    It's not that they won't get vaccinated but that they won't get vaccinated whilst having immunity

    In theory you get a greater percentage of the population done that way

    Still I think you'll be right in that they won't change the rule and just continue with groups 1 & 2 as it is


  • #4515
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    He's an anti-vaxer, I don't have time for people like that.
    Thank God he's not a practicing doctor anymore

    He was removed from his role because he publicly complained that they sent infected hospital cases back to nursing homes without testing them for Covid 19. This directly caused 10s of deaths in the nursing homes over which he was a GP. Yeah it’s great that he lost his job for that :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #4516
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    normanoffside wrote: »
    He was removed from his role because he publicly complained that they sent infected hospital cases back to nursing homes without testing them for Covid 19. This directly caused 10s of deaths in the nursing homes over which he was a GP. Yeah it’s great that he lost his job for that :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    What role was that?
    He was a GP and closed his practice, he was not removed from his role.


  • #4517
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    resigned from the medical council over the homes but

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/gp-to-close-practice-after-threat-of-suspension-over-anti-mask-views-1.4375726

    A Dublin GP says he has decided to close his practice after being threatened with suspension by the Medical Council over his anti-lockdown and anti-mask views on Covid-19.

    Dr Marcus de Brun said he decided to end his HSE contract and to step back from public speaking “under duress”, in order to avoid being struck off.

    Dr de Brun was a member of the Medical Council until last April, when he resigned over what he felt were failures to protect nursing home residents earlier in the pandemic.


  • #4518
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    Seems Belgium is learning from our error and taking a cautious approach. Their lockdown is now extended until 1 March

    https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/149326/belgium-extends-coronavirus-measures-until-1-march-ministerial-decree/


  • #4519
    Slinky94
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭Slinky94


    So if you want to get a test in New York just talking to people over there now some results are taking between 2 & 5 days to come through. You'd be sweating it to get it back by the 72 hour window but in JFK you can get a PCR test and result within an hour for $400... Wouldn't like to be flying having to fork out that on top of the airline ticket.
    Again it all just seems too late anyway.


  • #4520
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,866 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Stheno wrote: »
    Yes wasn't there a teenager in the West with an underlying condition who died?

    Yes, Sally Maaz at Mayo University Hospital, a 17 year old Syrian teenager who'd settled with her family in Ballyhaunis. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/coroner-s-court/inquest-into-death-of-girl-17-in-mayo-covid-ward-stopped-over-rule-breach-1.4385492

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #4521
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Yes, Sally Maaz at Mayo University Hospital, a 17 year old Syrian teenager who'd settled with her family in Ballyhaunis. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/coroner-s-court/inquest-into-death-of-girl-17-in-mayo-covid-ward-stopped-over-rule-breach-1.4385492

    23 year old was the other https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-23-year-old-among-latest-38-people-to-die-in-ireland-1.4229416


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  • #4522
    Cerveza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭Cerveza


    Slinky94 wrote: »
    So if you want to get a test in New York just talking to people over there now some results are taking between 2 & 5 days to come through. You'd be sweating it to get it back by the 72 hour window but in JFK you can get a PCR test and result within an hour for $400... Wouldn't like to be flying having to fork out that on top of the airline ticket.
    Again it all just seems too late anyway.

    What do you expect with trump?


  • #4523
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Sometimes I wonder is Eric Ding having us on. He is so over the top it almost comes across as insincere.
    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1349163969966202881


  • #4524
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,665 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Cerveza wrote: »
    What do you expect with trump?

    How long testing takes has nothing to do with the federal government though? They arent processing the tests. Its probably because literally everyone is being encouraged to get tested, even without any reason to think they might be infected. There is a huge volume to process especially when cases actually are on the rise and more people are feeling sick.


  • #4525
    Cerveza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭Cerveza


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    How long testing takes has nothing to do with the federal government though? They arent processing the tests. Its probably because literally everyone is being encouraged to get tested, even without any reason to think they might be infected. There is a huge volume to process especially when cases actually are on the rise and more people are feeling sick.

    Who’s fault is it that Covid is out of control in America?


  • #4526
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    I have a 40 year old non-verbal autistic brother, I don't need to be lectured about autism. I know all about it, I've lived my entire life with it. The fact is, that as upsetting as this may be, containing covid within the community while levels are this high, takes priority over missing a few months of education. This is for the health and safety of all, including people with autism and their families.

    Not seeking to argue with you, my daughter has a 6 year old autistic daughter, and the fight she has had to even get her into the system has been massive, and we're more than well aware that it will be ongoing, for a very long time to come, due to the massive underfunding and resourcing of that sector, so I feel your pain in relation to your brother.

    My point is that for questionable reasons, the autism services have been affected much more dramatically than many other areas of the health services, and while I am very much aware of how critical it was and is to contain Covid, some of the decisions made that have affected groups like the Autistic have had a massively more significant effect on that group than on some others.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #4527
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cerveza wrote: »
    Who’s fault is it that Covid is out of control in America?

    It's more of control in Ireland.. Whose fault is it in each country?


  • #4528
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,056 ✭✭✭✭fits


    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    No one knows exactly how effected they will be to this virus until they get it. We know risk factors associated with a poor outcome but they don't hold through for every case. It's not something to be flippant about.

    I can assure you wholeheartedly that I am not being flippant about it. Having an adult brother with autism doesn’t make you spokesperson for every family with children with autism or special needs in the country.

    In our case we have a young child with special needs. We are quite ok with having him at home these weeks but other families are different. Some children are extremely disadvantaged as well as being severely disabled and school is a place of safety and refuge for them. They need to be prioritised.

    Anyway I’m not going to post in this thread about it anymore. It probably deserves its own.


  • #4529
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    Not seeking to argue with you, my daughter has a 6 year old autistic daughter, and the fight she has had to even get her into the system has been massive, and we're more than well aware that it will be ongoing, for a very long time to come, due to the massive underfunding and resourcing of that sector, so I feel your pain in relation to your brother.

    My point is that for questionable reasons, the autism services have been affected much more dramatically than many other areas of the health services, and while I am very much aware of how critical it was and is to contain Covid, some of the decisions made that have affected groups like the Autistic have had a massively more significant effect on that group than on some others.

    I understand that, but by calling for autism services to be opened back up at this particular point in time puts both service providers and families with vulnerable people under pressure.

    Staff can themselves be vulnerable or have vulnerable family members. If disability services were told to open up and a service provider is reluctant because of the high community levels of covid they could lose their government funding. Similarly families who are reluctant to send in their children due to the health risk could potentially lose their place as they are refusing a service, particularly if they are only recently offered such services.

    A blanket call to open services because some families think the risk is worth it could put others under great pressure. Our health service is stretched as it is, containment should be prioritised at this moment.


  • #4530
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Can we expect any of the pub=nightclub trade to survive this? You don’t close for a year and open back up as if nothing ever happened


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  • #4531
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Can we expect any of the pub=nightclub trade to survive this? You don’t close for a year and open back up as if nothing ever happened

    All pubs and nightclubs need is a few solid weeks after they reopen and it'll be like nothing ever happened.


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