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namloc1980 · 12-01-2021 07:47PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Lots of people have marched on congress, war protests, civil rights...

I will certainly grant you the "He told the Proud Boys to 'Stand Back and Stand by'" Why didn't that get him impeached, that certainly was a lot more of an incitement than his speech last week

How many of those stormed the Capitol?? This false equivalence is ridiculous.

ohnonotgmail · 12-01-2021 07:49PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

I have said both sides are guilty, i well agree that right can be a big harsher and less polished, but calling me stupid nicely and shouting at me that "i'm stupid" are much the same, its just how we perceive it

Both sides.

c.p.w.g.w · 12-01-2021 07:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Aww, look. He's still trying.

Unfortunately your one of those people, who is now set in your position...and not open to having your views challenged, thank you for proving my point...

I listen to lots of people i disagree with an numerous grounds, its helps me get a better prescriptive of an argument of issue

yagan · 12-01-2021 07:50PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

I have said both sides are guilty, i well agree that right can be a big harsher and less polished, but calling me stupid nicely and shouting at me that "i'm stupid" are much the same, its just how we perceive it

Where's your evidence that both "sides" tried to storm the capital and overthrow the state by force?

ohnonotgmail · 12-01-2021 07:51PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Unfortunately your one of those people, who is now set in your position...and not open to having your views challenged, thank you for proving my point...

I listen to lots of people i disagree with an numerous grounds, its helps me get a better prescriptive of an argument of issue

you haven't challenged anything. All you have done is show that you don't understand what has been going on.

Christy42 · 12-01-2021 07:54PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Presuming you are referring to Trump, when exactly have i given it socks about how great he is?

I suspect if they are anything like me one email looks like another and you have been mixed up with Hotmail.com. In spite of the names being pretty different I have still gotten confused a few times!

c.p.w.g.w · 12-01-2021 07:54PM

yagan wrote: »

Where's your evidence that both "sides" tried to storm the capital and overthrow the state by force?

Never said both sides tried to storm the capital...siad both sides are guilty of driving the divide...

Right Media and some Left Media...More so in regards to the almost constant assault on the intellgents of conservatives and trump supporters which only drives them away from left media...

everlast75 · 12-01-2021 07:58PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Never said both sides tried to storm the capital...siad both sides are guilty of driving the divide...

Right Media and some Left Media...More so in regards to the almost constant assault on the intellgents of conservatives and trump supporters which only drives them away from left media...

Disingenuous or delusional

c.p.w.g.w · 12-01-2021 08:03PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Disingenuous or delusional

Everyone is just proving my point...and i'm left leaning...imagine a right leaning person being calling stupid(sorry implied), delusional...no wonder they don't engage with mainstream media and lie to pollsters

everlast75 · 12-01-2021 08:05PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Everyone is just proving my point...and i'm left leaning...imagine a right leaning person being calling stupid(sorry implied), delusional...no wonder they don't engage with mainstream media and lie to pollsters

If you cannot draw a straight line between what Trump said and what happened, then you are one or the other.

Every single right thinking person can see it.

So either everyone else is wrong and you're right (delusional) or you're trying to be edgy (disingenuous)

mcmoustache · 12-01-2021 08:05PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

I'm just trying to find out what he said that "incited" the violence, as i can't see much...He used energetic language like he has always done...

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

I just think we moving to more divided and divisive world because folks are afraid to have their views challenge, and for many folks its way too late, their view and set in stone and there is no changing them

There's plenty to debate with conservatives and it happens here and in the grownup version of this thread.Trump supporters are a different kettle of fish who like to call themselves conservatives when they are anything but. What are you supposed to do with someone who's starting position is that the election was stolen? How rational a discussion can you have with people who insist on misinforming themselves with conspiracy theories from MAGA social media and disregarding logic and reason?

Discussing immigration policy with an informed conservative arguing in good faith is one thing. Discussing GPS with a flat earther is something else entirely. You can't have a reasonable discussion with someone who has lost all reason.

yagan · 12-01-2021 08:06PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Never said both sides tried to storm the capital...siad both sides are guilty of driving the divide...

Right Media and some Left Media...More so in regards to the almost constant assault on the intellgents of conservatives and trump supporters which only drives them away from left media...

Some people express their objections vocally but one side has resorted to sedition.

Tell me how · 12-01-2021 08:07PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Everyone is just proving my point.

No, they're not.

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

and i'm left leaning

No you're not.

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

imagine a right leaning person being calling stupid(sorry implied), delusional...no wonder they don't engage with mainstream media and lie to pollsters

Anybody who takes the position you have taken in excusing Trumps roll in last weeks disturbance is doing so either from a position of stupidity (maybe as a consequence of ignorance) or in an effort to deflect some of the justice which should be coming his way.

And that it is somehow the fault of the media, or liberally minded people or others that conservatives would double down on their position is laughably absurd. And right on point.

namloc1980 · 12-01-2021 08:13PM

Trump is at the wall saying it's all a witch hunt. Change the record man!

mcmoustache · 12-01-2021 08:25PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Everyone is just proving my point...and i'm left leaning...imagine a right leaning person being calling stupid(sorry implied), delusional...no wonder they don't engage with mainstream media and lie to pollsters

The issue is that he whipped up the crowd who he has convinced that the election was stolen from him and encouraged them to march on the Capitol. When people believe in stupid things like the election being stolen or that Trump is honest, what else is it if not stupid?

Also, is there any evidence that Trump supporters lie to pollsters more than non-Trump supporters? I heard it said a lot before the election when the polling was in Biden's favour and it was used to justify their faith that Trump would win but it died down when Trump lost. It was stated repeatedly without evidence and I don't recall any being produced. Where did you hear of this idea?

joe40 · 12-01-2021 08:26PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Never said both sides tried to storm the capital...siad both sides are guilty of driving the divide...

Right Media and some Left Media...More so in regards to the almost constant assault on the intellgents of conservatives and trump supporters which only drives them away from left media...

You're not the first to talk about both sides in terms of media.
Well I don't buy it. There is nothing in American mainstream media that is remotely like Fox or such like.

I'm not an expert but I would love to see an example of so called left wing mainstream media been unfair, telling lies etc.

extra gravy · 12-01-2021 08:42PM

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1349087306788048900?s=19

Arrogant ****

Billy Mays · 12-01-2021 08:59PM

Some mentallist abusing Jewish senator Chuck Schumer on the street earlier calling him an anti semite

But we shouldn't call these people stupid or delusional apparently

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-01-2021 09:00PM

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1349087306788048900?s=19

Arrogant ****

Yup, he really can't help himself.

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1349096654587260929?s=09

listermint · 12-01-2021 09:04PM

Thought that account was banned off twitter

namloc1980 · 12-01-2021 09:10PM

Here's one of the guys looking to go to the Capitol for a chat last week.

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Kaybaykwah · 12-01-2021 09:31PM

maebee wrote: »

Tony Schwartz - talk about getting something spot on !

https://twitter.com/FirenzeMike/status/1340351783474892800?s=20

Here is an author who wrote a book The End of History and The Last Man in 1992 who claims at 2min in a talk about his latest book that he mentioned the arrival of Donald Trump as a possible usurper back in the day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMlG_0DC8E&ab_channel=PoliticsandProse

Incidentally, the Washington DC bookstore Prose and Politics has a ****eload of video talks by authors promoting their books over time; Hilary, Barack, tons of political theorists and journalists on their youtube channel...

A lot of books written about Trump in the last four years are the subject of these talks.

Kaybaykwah · 12-01-2021 09:36PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Here's one of the guys looking to go to the Capitol for a chat last week.

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First thing that came to mind is this is the guy who battered that cop with a flagpole...

Overheal · 12-01-2021 09:37PM

I almost fell out of my seat

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1349107765440966656?s=20

namloc1980 · 12-01-2021 09:38PM

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

First thing that came to mind is this is the guy who battered that cop with a flagpole...

He's the guy who beat the policeman with the flagpole.

Quin_Dub · 12-01-2021 09:39PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

So we are blaming him for the sin's of his supporters...Agreed that a sizable minority of his supporters are dangerous, there are some of his supports that wanted to execute a governor in Michigan...With all movements there are fringe groups who act without regard for society such as the group that stormed the capital

Yes - We absolutely are.

The only reason they are riled up about "Stolen Elections" etc. is because he and his GOP lackeys has lied to their faces endlessly for years about the "Radical Left" and how they steal everything and how they were "Coming for your guns" and how they were going to "murder all the babies" and now they were stealing the White House away from them so that they could complete their dastardly takeover.

Had they told the truth and acted in good faith none of those people would have been there , certainly not amped up for battle as they were.

So yes, he and all the others are absolutely categorically complicit in each and every action taken by those people.

For Forks Sake · 12-01-2021 09:42PM

Overheal wrote: »

I almost fell out of my seat

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1349107765440966656?s=20

Talk is very cheap with Mitch, lets see if he follows through before assuming he's had an epiphany

ohnonotgmail · 12-01-2021 09:42PM

Overheal wrote: »

I almost fell out of my seat

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1349107765440966656?s=20

Huge if true

Quin_Dub · 12-01-2021 09:43PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Talk is very cheap with Mitch, lets see if he follows through before assuming he's had an epiphany

Indeed , will believe it when I see it , but as already said - Huge deal if true.

rosser44 · 12-01-2021 09:44PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Talk is very cheap with Mitch, lets see if he follows through before assuming he's had an epiphany

More like a large group of GOP donors may have had an epiphany...

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