Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

sydthebeat · 11-01-2021 06:06PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's all very ''judge, jury and executioner '' . No one knows the story behind the storming of the capitol.
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if you dont, you seems to post a HELL of a lot about it.....

BattleCorp · 11-01-2021 06:07PM

duploelabs wrote: »

You do realise that stripe is irish right?????

Dual headquartered in SF and in Dublin.

duploelabs · 11-01-2021 06:07PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Dual headquartered in SF and in Dublin.

And owned by two irishmen

yagan · 11-01-2021 06:08PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Fair enough, Trump is an asswipe, but if they can do it with Trump, they can do it with anybody. And that's too much power for Corporate America.

Trump is corporate America personified, willing to lie and cheat, to promote falsehoods to push his own interests.

He preferred Twitter because it gave him the instant adoration and fawning from followers that his narcissism thrived on. He has a presse room he avoided because he gets asked questions he didn't like.

Everyone could see he was the danger when he banned journalists he didn't like.

11-01-2021 06:08PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's all very ''judge, jury and executioner '' . No one knows the story behind the storming of the capitol.

To me it was all very spur of the moment, by the front liner nutjobs, with a lot of simple country folk flowing into building, and flowing out again.
The arrests were few, and it targeted those nutjobs.

Ah, the country bumpkins claim. Elected members of the GOP joined it, the son of a Brooklyn judge was involved. And the proud boys who have been praised by plenty on this very site. In terms of organisation, we have proof of it via parler, people were actively planning it and had every intention of storming the building if they could.

And Trump in all of this, declares how much he loves them. That includes the Neo Nazis and white supremacists. He spends months declaring they have to overturn the election. He inflames them by claiming fraud. He pushes conspiracies. All this endless rhetoric, he only backed down after it was long over. He was still shouting about fraud while the Capitol was being taken. Even his own staff view him as responsible.

You must think Manson was innocent too if you think Trump is.

Sparko · 11-01-2021 06:08PM

Overheal wrote: »

Kellyanne Conway trying to whitewash her participation in the radicalization of MAGA

https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/status/1347322581607714816?s=20

She can go curl up in a hole and rot.

"Had the President, whose re-election campaign reportedly spent over $1.2 billion and spanned 31 months, won overwhelmingly and outright, the past two months of churn could have been avoided."

What does that even mean? If he won there wouldn't have been a giant sulk?

Gregor Samsa · 11-01-2021 06:09PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Fair enough, Trump is an asswipe, but if they can do it with Trump, they can do it with anybody. And that's too much power for Corporate America.

Ah, come on. This isn’t him getting banned for posting something inappropriate. He’s been posting outrageous stuff for over 4 years, and apart from a few “fact check” labels, they took no action against him.

He’s been banned for encouraging violent insurrection against his own government while President. That’s not something that could be done to anyone.

namloc1980 · 11-01-2021 06:11PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's all very ''judge, jury and executioner '' . No one knows the story behind the storming of the capitol.

To me it was all very spur of the moment, by the front liner nutjobs, with a lot of simple country folk flowing into building, and flowing out again.
The arrests were few, and it targeted those nutjobs.

Yeah the guys who had detailed maps of the Capitol were just on a guided tour and the guys dressed in military fatigues and carrying hand restraints must have got lost on their way to a fancy dress party.

I wonder do you actually believe the stuff you post.

BattleCorp · 11-01-2021 06:12PM

I get it. The vast majority of people on here think Trump is an asswipe. I think the same.

But my point remains, it's a very dangerous precedent to set when you allow private corporations to dictate which political parties (or politicians) get to have their voice heard and or get the ability to raise funding on their sites.

You might all be delighted with it at the moment, because you don't like Trump, but it can easily backfire down the road.

I was accused of sounding rather communist. Guess who else does this kind of thing, deplatforming opponents and denying them funding etc........yep, Communist China.

Overheal · 11-01-2021 06:13PM

Sure yeah I can just pull IEDs out of my ass on the spur of the moment.

Overheal · 11-01-2021 06:14PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I get it. The vast majority of people on here think Trump is an asswipe. I think the same.

But my point remains, it's a very dangerous precedent to set when you allow private corporations to dictate which political parties (or politicians) get to have their voice heard and or get the ability to raise funding on their sites.

You might all be delighted with it at the moment, because you don't like Trump, but it can easily backfire down the road.

I was accused of sounding rather communist. Guess who else does this kind of thing, deplatforming opponents and denying them funding etc........yep, Communist China.

They deplatform Nazis in Germany, too.

Not all deplatforming is unethical. Cop on.

namloc1980 · 11-01-2021 06:15PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

You guys don't see the danger in allowing a private company this power? Dictating who gets funding and who doesn't?

No and I got news for you the Republicans have fought for decades for the rights of businesses to do business with whoever they want. Think of it like this: Trump is like the gay couple looking for a cake for their marriage; Stripe/Twitter are the conservative cake shop who refused due to their beliefs/corporate terms of service.

titan18 · 11-01-2021 06:16PM

Overheal wrote: »

Some of the reasons Parler was boycotted into oblivion - good reasons.

"Violence works make them afraid"

< - During the siege

You can probably do the exact same for any social media platform. Shall we boycott all of them into oblivion too or just Parler?

listermint · 11-01-2021 06:16PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

You guys don't see the danger in allowing a private company this power? Dictating who gets funding and who doesn't?

Corporate America shouldn't have that power. They then get to set policy.

Fair enough, Trump is an asswipe, but if they can do it with Trump, they can do it with anybody. And that's too much power for Corporate America.

I'm not sure you actually know much about American.

Private companies literally give and decide who gets funding and who doesn't. Super PACs

BattleCorp · 11-01-2021 06:17PM

Overheal wrote: »

They deplatform Nazis in Germany, too.

Not all deplatforming is unethical. Cop on.

Funny you should bring Germany into it.

Merkl doesn't agree with Trump being deplatformed either.

https://www.ft.com/content/6146b352-6b40-48ef-b10b-a34ad585b91a

listermint · 11-01-2021 06:18PM

titan18 wrote: »

You can probably do the exact same for any social media platform. Shall we boycott all of them into oblivion too or just Parler?

I don't think you can because they are moderated.

But continue with your false equivalence. I'm listening

listermint · 11-01-2021 06:19PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Funny you should bring Germany into it.

Merkl doesn't agree with Trump being deplatformed either.

https://www.ft.com/content/6146b352-6b40-48ef-b10b-a34ad585b91a

Who cares though Merkel can hold whatever opinion she likes , as can I , as can you

jill_valentine · 11-01-2021 06:19PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's all very ''judge, jury and executioner '' . No one knows the story behind the storming of the capitol.

To me it was all very spur of the moment, by the front liner nutjobs, with a lot of simple country folk flowing into building, and flowing out again.
The arrests were few, and it targeted those nutjobs.

It wasn't, and you don't think it was, because they spent weeks planning it, and then did all the stuff they said they would. They built a full gallows with a set of stairs up to it and brought maps, weapons disguised as flags, home built bombs, molotovs, and in the case of the Oathkeepers, moved in formation to a plan.

I'd bet a lot of monry some of the cops who participated will be identified by the fact they booked the day off two months ago.

11-01-2021 06:19PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I get it. The vast majority of people on here think Trump is an asswipe. I think the same.

But my point remains, it's a very dangerous precedent to set when you allow private corporations to dictate which political parties (or politicians) get to have their voice heard and or get the ability to raise funding on their sites.

You might all be delighted with it at the moment, because you don't like Trump, but it can easily backfire down the road.

I was accused of sounding rather communist. Guess who else does this kind of thing, deplatforming opponents and denying them funding etc........yep, Communist China.

The only politician who has been banned anywhere is the one who incited an Insurrection via their social media platform. They were pretty lax with him until now. How many domestic terror incidents does he have to be responsible for before they ban him?

Also by the above logic, if a modern day Joseph Goebbels started tweeting anti-semitism and inciting Kristallnacht, those banning him would be in the wrong. Cause nobody has pointed to where a line should be drawn on how far a politician or his representatives can go on a private platform...

briany · 11-01-2021 06:19PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

But my point remains, it's a very dangerous precedent to set when you allow private corporations to dictate which political parties (or politicians) get to have their voice heard and or get the ability to raise funding on their sites.

No, it's not a dangerous precedent. Twitter is a private company. Donald Trump still can say whatever he likes. Twitter has simply decided that he cannot say what he likes using their platform. He's still free to put up his soap box in the centre of town, though.

Gregor Samsa · 11-01-2021 06:20PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I get it. The vast majority of people on here think Trump is an asswipe. I think the same.

I don’t think you do get it. It’s nothing to do with disliking Trump. It’s the fact that he actively sent a violent mob to stop Congress from certifying his legitimate successor. And the fact that he showed no remorse for doing so and looked likely to try to do it again.

Can you not see that it’s an exceptional situation that isn’t comparable to just posting stuff on Twitter that “the other side” might disagree with?

titan18 · 11-01-2021 06:22PM

listermint wrote: »

I don't think you can because they are moderated.

But continue with your false equivalence. I'm listening

Any check if twitter ATM can see violent threats with one search, some of which would have been up for ages. So if it's moderated, it's doing a damn sh1t job.

I mean 4chan still exists.

salmocab · 11-01-2021 06:22PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yeah the guys who had detailed maps of the Capitol were just on a guided tour and the guys dressed in military fatigues and carrying hand restraints must have got lost on their way to a fancy dress party.

I wonder do you actually believe the stuff you post.

I’ve often turned up to stuff on the spur of the moment with my trusty cable ties ready to bind peoples arms on the off chance I walk into the middle of an attempt to over throw the will of the people.

Foxtrol · 11-01-2021 06:25PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

No and I got news for you the Republicans have fought for decades for the rights of businesses to do business with whoever they want. Think of it like this: Trump is like the gay couple looking for a cake for their marriage; Stripe/Twitter are the conservative cake shop who refused due to their beliefs/corporate terms of service.

This.

Also, Republicans have demanded that businesses have the right to donate unlimited funds on elections.

The tech companies aren't even carrying out unlimited power like Republicans claim businesses should when it comes to topics they support, all teach companies are doing are enforcing the rules that Republicans signed up to when they signed up for their service.

It is like throwing a tantrum when you join a soccer team and they don't allow you to beat the opposition with a steel pipe during a game.

Carfacemandog · 11-01-2021 06:26PM

Overheal wrote: »

Sure yeah I can just pull IEDs out of my ass on the spur of the moment.

Thank goodness for that, I was starting to think the near dozen pack of molotov cocktails I carry around with me might look suspicious to some.

uncleoswald · 11-01-2021 06:28PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

But my point remains, it's a very dangerous precedent to set when you allow private corporations to dictate which political parties (or politicians) get to have their voice heard and or get the ability to raise funding on their sites.

Yeah I have some problem with it. But right now I have a bigger problem with a two party political system where one party doesn't accept the results of an election and allow a megalomaniacal leader to constantly undermine the democratic process and radicalise his base.

None of this would be necessary if the GOP had the backbone to stand up to Trump or had allowed conspiratorial thinking to become the mainstream in the party. This can't go unchecked.

There are no easy answers here and **** the GOP for putting people in this position.

BattleCorp · 11-01-2021 06:28PM

listermint wrote: »

I'm not sure you actually know much about American.

Private companies literally give and decide who gets funding and who doesn't. Super PACs

Not quite the point I am making.

Yes, private companies can decide which political campaigns they want to fund. And that's fine.

But private companies preventing other companies/people from donating through their platform to someone they don't like is setting a dangerous precedent IMHO.

And some people have likened it to the gay cake controversy. I think it's closer to 'I'll bake your gay cake but not the other guy's gay cake'. A bakery either cooks or doesn't cook gay cakes. A platform like Stripe either allows political funding or doesn't allow political funding, it shouldn't decide which political funding they allow.

Gregor Samsa · 11-01-2021 06:29PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Funny you should bring Germany into it.

Merkl doesn't agree with Trump being deplatformed either.

https://www.ft.com/content/6146b352-6b40-48ef-b10b-a34ad585b91a

Did you actually read the article? Merkl’s point is that governments should have a tougher regulatory system in place for online content.

This isn’t the valiant defending of free speech you seem to think it is.

namloc1980 · 11-01-2021 06:31PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Thank goodness for that, I was starting to think the near dozen pack of molotov cocktails I carry around with me might look suspicious to some.

Maybe he thought he was going to a cocktail party and just got a bit confused.

I mean, be honest, who here among us hasn't turned up to a spur of the moment coup attempt looking like this?

Foxtrol · 11-01-2021 06:31PM

titan18 wrote: »

Any check if twitter ATM can see violent threats with one search, some of which would have been up for ages. So if it's moderated, it's doing a damn sh1t job.

I mean 4chan still exists.

Endless childish whataboutery.

It is news to me that no one can be punished for a crime if everyone who ever carried out the same crime has been caught and punished.

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