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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3752
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Datacore wrote: »
    I don’t understand why a science focused corespondent isn’t a scientist.
    RTE has access to people with strong science backgrounds who they roll out on what are effectively children’s tv shows for science education. They should have recruited one of them for news. It’s essential right now.
    The spend five years in a job and then anyone can apply for them. If nobody does they carry on.


  • #3753
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    seamus wrote: »
    That's the equivalent of roughly about 150,000 here. Which puts us a few weeks behind, at most.

    These small differences will be of little consequence in 3 months' time.

    The bigger issues would be if we had gone ahead without EMA testing process and there was a screw up with something that is being delivered on a population wide basis. There’s speed and there’s reckless speed.

    If they didn’t have any issues, brilliant but you can’t just take something like that for granted.

    When you’ve Johnsonian “umph” behind it, you’ve risks.


  • #3754
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Israel expects to have their population vaccinated by April.


  • #3755
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    quokula wrote: »
    By every conceivable metric up to this point in the pandemic, our government has done a far better job, on testing rates, on contact tracing, on keeping infections and deaths down, while simultaneously doing less harm to our economy.

    what metrics? the HSE/Irish government don't publish any


  • #3756
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    zuutroy wrote: »
    Here's a quick graph that compares the current recovery to that in October, normalised to the maximum with swabs taken as a 3 day average. Even if this lockdown only works as well as October it shows that we should be at 0.2 of the maximum swab rate or about 1200 per day by the time the schools are due to go back. Optimistically we should be ahead of that curve and hopefully down at the 500-700 cases a day mark. I think that would be enough for them to go back.

    Have you made any adjustment for the UK strain?


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  • #3757
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    Datacore wrote: »
    The bigger issues would be if we had gone ahead without EMA testing process and there was a screw up with something that is being delivered on a population wide basis. There’s speed and there’s reckless speed.

    If they didn’t have any issues, brilliant but you can’t just take something like that for granted.

    When you’ve Johnsonian “umph” behind it, you’ve risks.

    Plus only a small fraction of those vaccinated so far have had the second dose which is the only way it's been tested / proven effective, while they have changed official advice to allow the second dose to be delayed because they don't know if they have enough to follow up. They even have provisions for mixing and matching the different vaccines with the second dose, which is an absolutely crazy decision for something that hasn't been tested.

    One of the things Ireland has been doing is holding enough in reserve so that if there are any supply chain issues, they will still be able to ensure people get their second dose when they should.


  • #3758
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    Aegir wrote: »
    what metrics? the HSE/Irish government don't publish any

    You've made it the whole year without seeing any metrics on testing, contract tracing, number of infections, or number of deaths? That's an impressive display of utter ignorance.


  • #3759
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Miike wrote: »
    Anyone else remember the posts on here when Nobel Laureate, Michael Levitt predicted in March the Pandemic would be over in a matter of weeks and the arm chair experts on boards lost their marbles when people said he was mad? Good times.

    Thinking back on some of the earlier iterations of this thread.... Jesus actually wept. Albeit not much has changed for some people; they're still banging the same drum!

    These threads are echo chambers and can be very frustrating.

    Yet I can't keep away from them :D


  • #3760
    zuutroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Have you made any adjustment for the UK strain?

    Nope, just raw numbers. Good point.


  • #3761
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    quokula wrote: »
    You've made it the whole year without seeing any metrics on testing, contract tracing, number of infections, or number of deaths? That's an impressive display of utter ignorance.

    so how many daily tests are being done? what is the turn around time for getting results back? Who is doing those tests?

    how quick are contact tracers contacting people? How many deaths have been recorded over and above the usual average?


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  • #3762
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Swab data good. Deaths data bad.

    539126.png

    Obviously we'll have a further spike in the weeks ahead but how does the current death rate compare to wave 1?


  • #3763
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    These threads are echo chambers and can be very frustrating.

    Yet I can't keep away from them :D

    I take 2-4 week breaks after a binge on the madness in these threads. Some of the best laughs I've had since March last year was some at some of the absolute lunacy on here. Which says more about me than anything else!


  • #3764
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Morries Wigs wrote: »
    Rte have finally got the headline they wanted

    Yes it's all RTE's fault.


  • #3765
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Miike wrote: »
    Anyone else remember the posts on here when Nobel Laureate, Michael Levitt predicted in March the Pandemic would be over in a matter of weeks and the arm chair experts on boards lost their marbles when people said he was mad? Good times.

    Thinking back on some of the earlier iterations of this thread.... Jesus actually wept. Albeit not much has changed for some people; they're still banging the same drum!

    Indeed, the forum has really improved in quality of discussion since those days though. Most of those hysterical/desperate people have departed from posting so we don't hear much about those kind of alternative 'experts' any longer, only a few stragglers still holding them in esteem. That mad Canadian fella Hodgkinson or whatever was referenced in the relaxation thread again just yesterday. Twitter is a different story though , really appreciate how much more balanced views on these threads from all different angles are compared to most social media discussions about COVID.


  • #3766
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I'm seeing they've set up 7 mass vaccinations centres in England now. Light years ahead of us, meaning our restrictions will go on longer and longer.


    That can only help us considering the amount of visitors and travel between Ireland and england.


  • #3767
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    Aegir wrote: »
    so how many daily tests are being done? what is the turn around time for getting results back? Who is doing those tests?

    how quick are contact tracers contacting people? How many deaths have been recorded over and above the usual average?

    Here you go

    160k tests last week, 2.9 day turnaround, 95k contacts traced, all contact tracing calls made within 1 day. I'm not sure what you mean by "who is doing these tests", do you want the names and addresses of everyone working at the labs?

    I'd recommend looking up information for yourself in future, you might learn something.


  • #3768
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    seamus wrote: »
    That's the equivalent of roughly about 150,000 here. Which puts us a few weeks behind, at most.

    These small differences will be of little consequence in 3 months' time.

    Little consequence ? Just people dying sure ..


  • #3769
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Have you made any adjustment for the UK strain?

    We have schools, childcare and construction closed or partially closed for this lockdown (compared to October), so hard to know how much impact those will have versus the UK strain impact.


  • #3770
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    It is extremely irresponsible of people on here even suggesting oxygen shortages.

    If oxygen supplies are under pressure more will be delivered, plain and simple. Stop it.

    A somebody who is directly involved in ordering oxygen for a large tertiary hospital. Your post is incorrect.


  • #3771
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    quokula wrote: »
    Here you go

    160k tests last week, 2.9 day turnaround, 95k contacts traced, all contact tracing calls made within 1 day. I'm not sure what you mean by "who is doing these tests", do you want the names and addresses of everyone working at the labs?

    I'd recommend looking up information for yourself in future, you might learn something.

    ignoring the fact that if the HSE told me it was going to get dark tonight, I would still check for myself, there is a stunning lack of clarity in those figures, Why all the talk of median? why not just publish the actual stats? Where are the other metrics I mentioned, such as the actual number of deaths this year versus average?

    It is a very poor fudge at providing figures because they do not want to be measured on them. But from what we can see, the HSE are doing less tests, in a longer space of time, reaching fewer contacts and taking longer to reach those that they do reach, but by your metric, they are doing better than the UK?

    This is why we are where we are.

    Every government in europe spent the summer strengthening it testing, tracing and planning how to roll out a vaccine, the Irish government spent the summer patting itself on the back and shouting "Look over there" any time there was some criticism.

    Test and trace has collapsed. Spectacularly. We don't really know what the current infection rate is, other than it is very high, because there are a lot of people not being tested that should be.

    We don't know what the actual figures are here


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  • #3772
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    This come from a story of our having the highest 14 day rate in the world - a pretty incredible claim, one that doesn't match reality.
    One estimates suggests the number of Covid-linked deaths could exceed 100 per day, far higher than at the peak of the first wave last spring.


  • #3773
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,194 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1348631336383340544
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #3774
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    Aegir wrote: »
    ignoring the fact that if the HSE told me it was going to get dark tonight, I would still check for myself, there is a stunning lack of clarity in those figures, Why all the talk of median? why not just publish the actual stats? Where are the other metrics I mentioned, such as the actual number of deaths this year versus average?

    It is a very poor fudge at providing figures because they do not want to be measured on them. But from what we can see, the HSE are doing less tests, in a longer space of time, reaching fewer contacts and taking longer to reach those that they do reach, but by your metric, they are doing better than the UK?

    This is why we are where we are.

    Every government in europe spent the summer strengthening it testing, tracing and planning how to roll out a vaccine, the Irish government spent the summer patting itself on the back and shouting "Look over there" any time there was some criticism.

    Test and trace has collapsed. Spectacularly. We don't really know what the current infection rate is, other than it is very high, because there are a lot of people not being tested that should be.

    We don't know what the actual figures are here

    You are coming out with an awful lot of statements there considering you say there are no numbers.

    So either you are just making stuff up based on your personal perceptions or there are actual numbers being made available for you to base your statements on...which is it?


  • #3775
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    I see construction work is still going on at Intel. So much for essential only construction, money ultimately talks.


  • #3776
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    A somebody who is directly involved in ordering oxygen for a large tertiary hospital. Your post is incorrect.

    Personally I don’t think its a good idea or very professional to be causing anxiety by posting such things
    There are people reading these threads with loved ones who are ill and are terrified . There are ill people reading maybe who will be so scared to read about this
    I dont think that scaring people is worth it just to point score


  • #3777
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,376 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1348631336383340544

    Our cases from the last seven days include lots of cases from the previous seven days (or longer ago) so not a true reflection. Apparentlyswab figures were taking longer getting pushed between civil servants desks and not making it into the case numbers.


  • #3778
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Personally I don’t think its a good idea or very professional to be causing anxiety by posting such things
    There are people reading these threads with loved ones who are ill and are terrified . There are ill people reading maybe who will be so scared to read about this m

    Well said


  • #3779
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    So much denial all in one place.

    Oxygen shortages have been reported by the media.

    Our cases per million are currently the highest in the world.

    Test and trace is sub par here, and always has been.

    Deaths are indeed likely to increase over the coming days as the lag in reporting means that we haven't reached the peak of those yet.

    The percentage positivity rate dropping is some solace, but even that needs to be scrutinised. Are we still not testing asymptomatic close contacts?


  • #3780
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Akabusi wrote: »
    I see construction work is still going on at Intel. So much for essential only construction, money ultimately talks.

    They make chips, most takeaways are still open too.


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  • #3781
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    I ha e every real sympathy for people nursing loved ones ill with covid who might be frightened, it must be truly horrible. But if we were to only permit posts that were not unpleasant in the thread it would be both forced and scant. Ireland being literally the worst country in the world right now re covid surely says it all. I read of red letter cancer surgeries being cancelled in the north now. Imagine how that feels for people who need malignancies cut out of them now - its desperate. It is all fecking bad just right now so if oxygen is harder to source that is part of the story.
    The good thing is the case numbers have stopped climbing. They will come down. The amount of circulating virus will decrease. But the figures on hospitals and worse still deaths are going to be very sad, and scary even, for 2 weeks or so. Maybe more. People who are scared should not read about it.


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