Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

briany · 11-01-2021 02:20PM

everlast75 wrote: »

According to bob woodward, that was his plan in 2015 when he lost

I have to wonder if he'd be happy with merely that, now.

But, more importantly, considering the amount of ammo there to prosecute him with, does he really want to continue being a pain after he's left office, making yet more enemies? I could imagine that Biden's administration would tacitly agree not to go after Trump if Trump were to just f**k off and live a quiet life somewhere, because prosecuting Trump is politically volatile as well. It would be a bitter pill to swallow for all sides to do that, of course, but it might allow for the closest thing to normality. Trump, as crazy as he is, will still, I believe, give pause if he's warned that the ability to attend golf tournaments would be revoked, due to his being in prison.

So that could be the choice. But if it is the choice, and Trump continues bleating on for even one day after he's no longer in office, then I say throw the book at the man.

Melanchthon · 11-01-2021 02:20PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Ooft

https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348484125825658887?s=19

I am nearly certain over a month ago they were saying the same thing?

Gregor Samsa · 11-01-2021 02:23PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Ooft

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https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348484125825658887?s=19[/url]

I like the misphrase "Things will get better before they get worse"

I think they meant to say "Things will get worse before they get even worse"

seamus · 11-01-2021 02:25PM

nolivesmatter wrote: »

I get the hate for Trump but seems unfair to target these companies. They're just renting office space and may have been doing long before the whole Trump ****show began.

They're specifically targetting large corporates, because their decision to rent office space in a specific location is largely determined by prestige and not by need.

For example, there's no good reason for Salesforce to build a huge fancy office building on the Dublin quays. A big square building in an industrial estate in Ballyfermot would be just as good and a fraction of the price.
But you couldn't bring visiting executives to Ballyfermot and wow them.

This is the same reason they rent office space in a Trump building. So they can show off their location, show off how wealthy and blue-chip they really are. Ditching it and moving to another building two blocks away is no skin off their nose.

briany · 11-01-2021 02:27PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

I like the misphrase "Things will get better before they get worse"

I think they meant to say "Things will get worse before they get even worse"

Ah, they have nothing to worry about. I'm sure all they were talking about on Parler was how beautiful the democratic process is like the fine upstanding, law-abiding Americans they are.

:pac:

everlast75 · 11-01-2021 02:27PM

nolivesmatter wrote: »

I get the hate for Trump but seems unfair to target these companies. They're just renting office space and may have been doing long before the whole Trump ****show began.

That old proverb "lay down with dogs and you get fleas" springs to mind...

11-01-2021 02:28PM

There is a danger of making Trump a victim if it goes too far, in a way it's a good thing that it was the culture of the almighty dollar i.e the fear of losing profit that did it for him in the end.

It will be interesting to see if another Trump-like character emerges.

yagan · 11-01-2021 02:30PM

walshb wrote: »

I am not at all a conspiracy theory type person

BUT, one that was mentiuoned here....

Trump deliberately installed as President to show people just how mad our world could get....shocking them into trusting in more stable human beings to "look after" us all......

Or it could be that democracy it the least worst way allowing societies to change their mind. Trump couldn't even accept people changed their minds about him.

yagan · 11-01-2021 02:34PM

seamus wrote: »

This is the same reason they rent office space in a Trump building. So they can show off their location, show off how wealthy and blue-chip they really are. Ditching it and moving to another building two blocks away is no skin off their nose.

I bet there's a few corporations looking at Trumps insurrection as a way to release themselves from leases at a time when rents are falling because of the WFH revolution. Bottom line is money saved via blended working so if they can site reputational protection for breaking a lease they'll do it.

walshb · 11-01-2021 02:38PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Or the more likely reading being that he is an incompetent narcissist snake oil salesman grifter who benefited from a multitude of freak factors which made him president for four destructive years?

Yes...this is likely it

And the sad thing is that it is worse than the conspiracy theory

briany · 11-01-2021 02:43PM

mariaalice wrote: »

It will be interesting to see if another Trump-like character emerges.

I really don't see someone emerging who combines all of Trump's attributes. I mean, Josh Hawley wants to harness that angry contingent, but he can't wash the clean-cut politician off himself and so he appears as a cabaret cover band in comparison to Trump's punk rock original. This is true of Ted Cruz as well. They all lack qualities (to use that term loosely) that Trump holds. None of them can get up on a stage and play the rubes with stream of consciousness pubtalk the way Trump can. You have to hand it to Trump in that regard - the man, born into wealth - can relate to the Republican base better than other men who've spent their entire political lives studying those same people.

The main two candidates to succeed Trump would be his son, the one he appears to love, and maybe also Alex Jones. There's someone who could get up on a stage and fire up a crowd of reds, but he looks like such a heartcase these days that I don't think he'd live through the primary.

BorneTobyWilde · 11-01-2021 02:44PM

Cruz Stocky Steak wrote: »

Strange trip. Why is he bothering going to the border wall at this point?

What's he looking to get from it.

Escape to Mexico ?

astrofool · 11-01-2021 02:48PM

I saw this quote from ms trump and laughed, I mean, what else has the last 4 years been about then?

melania wrote:

"This time is solely about healing our country and its citizens.
"It should not be used for personal gain."

The Raging Bile Duct · 11-01-2021 02:50PM

briany wrote: »

The main two candidates to succeed Trump would be his son, the one he appears to love, and maybe also Alex Jones. There's someone who could get up on a stage and fire up a crowd of reds, but he looks like such a heartcase these days that I don't think he'd live through the primary.

Alex Jones becoming president would be like David Icke becoming prime minister. Never going to happen. At least Trump could hide behind the veneer of 'successful businessman' even though that seems to be completely untrue.

ohnonotgmail · 11-01-2021 02:52PM

briany wrote: »

I really don't see someone emerging who combines all of Trump's attributes. I mean, Josh Hawley wants to harness that angry contingent, but he can't wash the clean-cut politician off himself and so he appears as a cabaret cover band in comparison to Trump's punk rock original. This is true of Ted Cruz as well. They all lack qualities (to use that term loosely) that Trump holds. None of them can get up on a stage and play the rubes with stream of consciousness pubtalk the way Trump can. You have to hand it to Trump in that regard - the man, born into wealth - can relate to the Republican base better than other men who've spent their entire political lives studying those same people.

The main two candidates to succeed Trump would be his son, the one he appears to love, and maybe also Alex Jones. There's someone who could get up on a stage and fire up a crowd of reds, but he looks like such a heartcase these days that I don't think he'd live through the primary.

Barron?

Overheal · 11-01-2021 02:52PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

You'd wonder why the Republicans, self confessed party of the Constitution and party of Law and Order, are so keen to move on from an insurrection at the heart of government. Makes me think some members of the GOP were knee-deep in Wednesday's events.

Of course! Socialism! The end of the country as we know it! Etc. - all that lovely empty rhetoric that gets their hackles up. Trump added $8T of debt but at least he’s no socialist right?

seamus · 11-01-2021 02:55PM

Melania is complicit in so many things merely by her silence, that she's no doubt very worried about the impact of any witchhunt.

She's likely protected by spousal privilege, but that doesn't extend to any children or associates of Trump.

I wonder how long it'll be before she's on a one-way flight to Slovenia.

BorneTobyWilde · 11-01-2021 02:57PM

mariaalice wrote: »

isn't he going to start a TV station? :P

He'll have a book for sure

The Art Of An Insurrection

briany · 11-01-2021 02:57PM

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Alex Jones becoming president would be like David Icke becoming prime minister. Never going to happen. At least Trump could hide behind the veneer of 'successful businessman' even though that seems to be completely untrue.

I would give David Icke a chance of becoming PM if a worryingly large proportion of the UK Conservative base believed in the dangers of the lizard people. Given the worrying propensity for the current US Republican base to believe in unfounded conspiracy theories such as QAnon and Pizzagate, I don't really see why they wouldn't be enthusiastic about voting for one of those theories' biggest proponents. The next logical step in extremity on from Trump is someone who goes from failing to denounce QAnon to someone who flat says all that stuff is real.

And I didn't say that Jones could become president - I was saying that he could succeed Trump as the new darling of the Republican base. Well, they all laughed when Trump tried it, and look how that turned out. I don't think anyone is too crazy to be considered a possibility, the way that whole portion of the US voting population has gone.

basillarkin · 11-01-2021 02:58PM

mariaalice wrote: »

There is a danger of making Trump a victim if it goes too far, in a way it's a good thing that it was the culture of the almighty dollar i.e the fear of losing profit that did it for him in the end.

It will be interesting to see if another Trump-like character emerges.

Cruz waiting in the wings, just as dangerous

BorneTobyWilde · 11-01-2021 02:59PM

seamus wrote: »

Melania is complicit in so many things merely by her silence, that she's no doubt very worried about the impact of any witchhunt.

She's likely protected by spousal privilege, but that doesn't extend to any children or associates of Trump.

I wonder how long it'll be before she's on a one-way flight to Slovenia.

Trump is busy working on Pardons, to cover his whole family of any wrongdoing. And will pardon himself.
He'll be untouchable once he leaves office.

ohnonotgmail · 11-01-2021 03:00PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump is busy working on Pardons, to cover his whole family of any wrongdoing. And will pardon himself.
He'll be untouchable once he leaves office.

a pardon is no use against state charges or the IRS.

jill_valentine · 11-01-2021 03:02PM

https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1348616902529015808

11-01-2021 03:03PM

briany wrote: »

I would give David Icke a chance of becoming PM if a worryingly large proportion of the UK Conservative base believed in the dangers of the lizard people. Given the worrying propensity for the current US Republican base to believe in unfounded conspiracy theories such as QAnon and Pizzagate, I don't really see why they wouldn't be enthusiastic about voting for one of those theories' biggest proponents. The next logical step in extremity on from Trump is someone who goes from failing to denounce QAnon to someone who flat says all that stuff is real.

And I didn't say that Jones could become president - I was saying that he could succeed Trump as the new darling of the Republican base. Well, they all laughed when Trump tried it, and look how that turned out. I don't think anyone is too crazy to be considered a possibility, the way that whole portion of the US voting population has gone.

That is the wrong way to look at it, Trump was just a vehicle, he didn't invent it.

listermint · 11-01-2021 03:03PM

seamus wrote: »

Melania is complicit in so many things merely by her silence, that she's no doubt very worried about the impact of any witchhunt.

She's likely protected by spousal privilege, but that doesn't extend to any children or associates of Trump.

I wonder how long it'll be before she's on a one-way flight to Slovenia.

She's solely worried about the money . The brand is destroyed the money thats there goes with it

duploelabs · 11-01-2021 03:07PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump is busy working on Pardons, to cover his whole family of any wrongdoing. And will pardon himself.
He'll be untouchable once he leaves office.

In addition to not being effective against state crimes and the IRS, the pardon power cannot work in relation to crimes committed which an impeachment has been brought against

rossie1977 · 11-01-2021 03:07PM

basillarkin wrote: »

Cruz waiting in the wings, just as dangerous

Cruz will never be voted nationally. He barely beat a Democrat in Texas last time out.

Cruz doesn't have the charm or charisma of Trump and nowhere near as authoritarian in his rhetoric.

fly_agaric · 11-01-2021 03:08PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Isn't that always the way?

For a large swathe of the Corporate world as long as they are legally making money, they are happy.

Now though they are seeing huge risk to their revenues in being associated with Trump and his high profile inner circle.

Cynical yes , but it's the reality of the world they operate in.

Morals are secondary to Profits.

Suppose that is true.
I have a very left (economic) wing view of it all + think the greed of wealthy interests/companies is the ultimate cause of what is happening to the US.
They just couldn't bear to share x % extra with their employees or have the government somewhat constrain their ability to make money for benefit of the society over last few decades. It chafed them.
Now fundamentals of the whole system (like accepting results of an election and a peaceful transition of power) that they have been parasitic on are starting to fray. After all if democracy in the US does devolve into authoritarianism, their golden goose will croak & only selected cronies & friends keeping on the right side of the Leader/party will be able to profit (similar to Russia/China perhaps?).

briany · 11-01-2021 03:09PM

I wonder if all those arrested during the Beer Belly Putsch are sitting in jail waiting in vain for that presidential pardon?

everlast75 · 11-01-2021 03:11PM

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1348625109465116674?s=20

There are no words for how much I despise this contemptable little man.

So, his argument is, that Trump lied to 70m people, got them all fired up with a lie, caused a failed coup/riot, people died, but despite Trump causing this, it is Nancy Pelosi's fault for making him accountable?

Jesus f***ing Christ, the gall of these people.

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