Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

The daily figure is meaningless without looking the swabs!

The swabs were showing definite signs of plateauing and possibly declining yesterday.

Daily figures we are being fed is due to the archaic data systems within the HSPC.

Daily figures are meaningless since the good Dr Tony told everyone to pretend and assume they have the virus
Whilst also stating that the testing criteria regarding close contacts was being changed.

If your testing for a virus disease etc and using those numbers to initiate restrictions and lockdown and moving the criteria if the system becomes overloaded then the whole thing is pretty much a useless shambles.

Numbers high A gets tested
Numbers low A&B &C get tested.
Totally useless tracking case numbers then.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1348321732801810435

Flyer1 wrote: »

We have pissed away the last 9/10 months of these meaningless lockdowns and token phrases from spineless leaders. The reality is we have achieved diddly squat. We failed to protect the vulnerable in the beginning, we failed to control the spread, we failed to control borders, we have now failed several business sectors, and we are making a pigs ear of rolling out the vaccines.

Looking at a friends instagram story that lives in Australia. A view from a packed pub, enjoying his pint overlooking a busy beach.

Some little country to make utter scutter of a situation. Anyone who says we are doing a " good job " needs their head looked at.

History will not be kind on the government's handling of Covid19.
The economic fallout and mental health impacts will be felt for many years.

DebDynamite wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1348321732801810435

Gav is wrong. The backlog was not cleared on Thursday.

chrisbonnie wrote: »

So you're saying there wasn't actually 6800 positives in the past 24 hours, some of those numbers are actually from the previous days?

This is just demoralising now. Really depressing stuff, day in, day out

Todays numbers actual numbers for past 24 hours, they stated yesterday they've caught up on those numbers not reported (forgive me if I miss heard)

SilentGreenX wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. I know people say damned if they do damned if they don't but they really handled this whole thing like **** and we've had to suffer more than we should have because of it. I wont be able to for another lockdown and another half a year of my life that wont be coming back

The next six months should go as follows, in an ideal world, with this current phase easing into February. Meanwhile we'll finish Groups 1 & 2 by the end of February, with Group 3 quickly thereafter aided by Moderna, Oxford and maybe Janssen. By the end of March we could have a large number of the at risk vaccinated which means the pressure on hospitals falling away. That should take us down to Level 3 and maybe lower. From April it'll be down to the speed and robustness of the HSE vaccine plan with most of us vaccinated by the end of summer.

Of course it may not turn out exactly that way at all but I reckon it's the path the government wants to go.

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

That a nice excuse Dr Tony came up with to cover up the shambles that is testing and tracing in this country. Not like they had 4 or 5 months to prep for the winter surge :rolleyes:

If your going to test you’ve got to test all of the cases/suspected cases all of the time otherwise the case numbers are totally meaningless.

It has nothing to do with him at all. The HSE test and HSPC compile the data.

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Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You do know that 'plateau' just refers to the shape of a graph? The actual numbers are secondary to the determination that any set of data has plateaued or not. In itself plateauing case numbers is not a Good sign.

right the new cases plateauing means the active cases are still rising and does not mean the number of people in hospitals are plateauing or that they will

Flyer1 wrote: »

We have pissed away the last 9/10 months of these meaningless lockdowns and token phrases from spineless leaders. The reality is we have achieved diddly squat. We failed to protect the vulnerable in the beginning, we failed to control the spread, we failed to control borders, we have now failed several business sectors, and we are making a pigs ear of rolling out the vaccines.

Looking at a friends instagram story that lives in Australia. A view from a packed pub, enjoying his pint overlooking a busy beach.

Some little country to make utter scutter of a situation. Anyone who says we are doing a " good job " needs their head looked at.

Get used to it

We won't do zero covid like Australia

as of yesterday there was still an backlog of about 5k by my crude estimation.

11k backlog total, only 6k cleared so far.

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

History will not be kind on the government's handling of Covid19.
The economic fallout and mental health impacts will be felt for many years.

Not so sure about that. Deaths per million will be the headline statistic people will look back at in years to come. Compared to other European countries, who like us have fecked things up and struggled to deal with this infernal thing, we are not doing too bad. Yes, yes, I know, we could do better, but history for most people will ignore the finer details.

Vinnie222 wrote: »

You hardly expect parades to be happening

But theyve had 12 months to prepare!

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

If you move the criteria for a test and are using the numbers for another purpose (restrictions) what good are the numbers if your missing thousands of cases

I don’t care about epidemic control. It a simple fact if you don’t test to same criteria all the time then it’s all meaningless.

You can dress it up whatever way u like

We had 6888 cases today but that could be 15000 but we’ll never know the true number because the testing criteria changed recently.

And where will all of this testing capacity come from? Are you going to buy the PCR reagents, PCR machine and start testing everyone? We are a tiny country with finite resources. We have moved mountains to ensure testing is ramped up and remains accurate and most importantly safe. If you don't understand what it takes to get PCR testing up and running, you forfeit your right to remark on it (in my genuine opinion).

When positive cases are this high we can not afford to drain resources on testing all close contacts. This is where the element of personal responsibility plays a role; for you see we're now at around 6+ close contacts per case up from 2 not so long ago but keep banging the Tony Holohan drum, it's all his fault sure isn't it? Anything to absolve ourselves of any level of personal responsibility lest we be forced to introspect.

If you don't care about epidemic control why do you care about daily cases? You seem very irate for someone who "doesn't care".

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

If you move the criteria for a test and are using the numbers for another purpose (restrictions) what good are the numbers if your missing thousands of cases

I don’t care about epidemic control. It a simple fact if you don’t test to same criteria all the time then it’s all meaningless.

You can dress it up whatever way u like

We had 6888 cases today but that could be 15000 but we’ll never know the true number because the testing criteria changed recently.

This is why the testing criteria needs to change back before we relax restrictions.