Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

joe40 · 10-01-2021 04:53PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Margins were small in states. only a few thousand.

That doesn't matter, a country is either capable of having fair elections or not.
Trump has taken numerous cases in several states to court with no success.

You are saying the courts are either incompetent or complicit in fraud.

That is frankly nonsensical at this stage.

joseywhales · 10-01-2021 04:54PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Sorry, but if you believe that at this stage, you're deluded. You've been conned. You're feeding your head with nonsense from dodgy sources. Your ability to separate fact from fiction has been seriously compromised.

And this is the problem in a nutshell. A huge swathe of the American population has been convinced by people like Trump, Giuliani, Cruz, Hawley, Fox, Oann, Newsmax, Limbaugh and thousands more liars that the election was stolen. They've been conned. Their heads have been filled with nonsense and now they live in another reality, unable to tell what's real and what's not.

These people need serious help but I've no idea how one goes about that.

It doesn't seem complicated, all they have to do is open their minds to learning about the law and civics and why things are set up the way they are in the constitution. I moved to the us a couple of years back and I'm still learning this. You can learn to trust the system by learning about it.

Billy Mays · 10-01-2021 04:54PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

This is utter garbage. There was no evidence of fraud..the ballots in Georgia were audited.

You're absolutely incorrect in your conspiracy theories.

A van with Biden/Harris plastered on the side pulled up at a count centre with a load of dodgy ballot slips!!!

How much more evidence do you need????

jill_valentine · 10-01-2021 04:55PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Video of the moment above where he is dragged down the steps and beaten...

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/kucaz0/the_moment_officer_brian_sicknick_is_dragged_into/

Savages. The guy doing the middle finger takes his helmet off and wears it himself.

Even from a distance this is horrific. Savages is right.

Yesterday someone here was pretending they thought he died of essentially natural causes.

walshb · 10-01-2021 04:55PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Evidence was produced in the form of witnesses, the hard evidence was in looking at the ballots, but NONE were looked at.

We only had stories, and this was not enough in a court of law. A girl can be raped, but without hard evidence it's just a story, doesn't mean she's lying.
Counting the same ballots over and over won't show what the witnesses claim was going on. I would have loved for TRUMP to be proved wrong, but NO WAY was he getting access to these ballots to audit them, NO WAY.
That's so strange, they should have been happy to prove him wrong.

In primaries 600,000 ballots were thrown out, in election, none? come on.

This is exactly why it’s a complete and utter waste of time even discussing anything with Trump supporters..

Trump himself pretty much summed this up...he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and he’d still get voted for..

Kind of reminds me of these sick women who become infatuated with evil serial killers in prison and want to wed them.

Sardonicat · 10-01-2021 04:56PM

Billy Mays wrote: »

A van with Biden/Harris plastered on the side pulled up at a count centre with a load of dodgy ballot slips!!!

How much more evidence do you need????

Subtle. No wonder they got away with it. Where is your evidence for that happening?

The Inbetween is mine · 10-01-2021 04:56PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's a fact that those using mail in ballots for the first time make mistakes on the ballots that make them void , the percent is 14%... not sure. But it's out there, not possible for them all to be valid. The counters correcting ballots is not lawful, if it's void it's void.

It's not a fact..it's actually complete lies and not even the republicans could dispute it

BorneTobyWilde · 10-01-2021 04:58PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I'll ask again. Any evidence for this??

''
An extraordinarily high number of ballots — more than 550,000 — have been rejected in this year's presidential primaries, according to a new analysis

That's far more than in the 2016 general election and has raised alarms about what might happen in November when tens of millions of more voters are expected to cast their ballots by mail, many for the first time.''

In Georgia 12k was thrown out in primaries, in Election trump lost Georgia by 11k, but there was far more votes in Presidential Election, so thrown out ballots would be far higher than the 12k in primaries.... in theory .

For Forks Sake · 10-01-2021 04:58PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Even from a distance this is horrific. Savages is right.

Yesterday someone here was pretending they thought he died of essentially natural causes.

Sure they were just trying to arrange a meeting with their elected representatives and he was stopping them. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

mcmoustache · 10-01-2021 04:58PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Video of the moment above where he is dragged down the steps and beaten...

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/kucaz0/the_moment_officer_brian_sicknick_is_dragged_into/

Savages. The guy doing the middle finger takes his helmet off and wears it himself.

This is the mob that posters have been making excuses for?

They'll claim not to support this but you'll notice that they made sure to downplay, deflect and lie about it. How is that not supporting it?

joseywhales · 10-01-2021 04:59PM

walshb wrote: »

This is exactly why it’s a complete and utter waste of time even discussing anything with Trump supporters..

Trump himself pretty much summed this up...he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and he’d still get voted for..

The whole method of asking questions, providing no evidence that can stand up to counter questioning and then asking to be proved wrong, is what I would describe as a cluster fallacy

mcmoustache · 10-01-2021 05:03PM

joseywhales wrote: »

It doesn't seem complicated, all they have to do is open their minds to learning about the law and civics and why things are set up the way they are in the constitution. I moved to the us a couple of years back and I'm still learning this. You can learn to trust the system by learning about it.

That requires a desire to learn but as we have seen in the last few years, these people don't what to know, they want to believe.

namloc1980 · 10-01-2021 05:04PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

''
An extraordinarily high number of ballots — more than 550,000 — have been rejected in this year's presidential primaries, according to a new analysis

That's far more than in the 2016 general election and has raised alarms about what might happen in November when tens of millions of more voters are expected to cast their ballots by mail, many for the first time.''

In Georgia 12k was thrown out in primaries, in Election trump lost Georgia by 11k, but there was far more votes in Presidential Election, so thrown out ballots would be far higher than the 12k in primaries.... in theory .

No link or citation for that quote. Seems legit :pac:

Billy Mays · 10-01-2021 05:04PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Subtle. No wonder they got away with it. Where is your evidence for that happening?

Some Trump lickspittle called Matt Shlong, sorry, Schlapp, said it so I'm taking it as fact

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/matt-schlapp-claims-man-told-him-a-biden-van-showed-up-to-polls-to-replace-ballots-gives-no-evidence/

BorneTobyWilde · 10-01-2021 05:07PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

No link or citation for that quote. Seems legit :pac:

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/22/904693468/more-than-550-000-primary-absentee-ballots-rejected-in-2020-far-outpacing-2016?t=1610294797864

Paper ink, one can write anything, doesn't make it true.

But here is a link .

10-01-2021 05:08PM

Wantedbymany wrote: »

This kid of says it all even tho they are making trump look like a bad person

Digitally edited imagine originally taken directly from Facebook for cousin fu*kers or Parler as it's more commonly known.

weisses · 10-01-2021 05:08PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Trump won by very slim margins in 2016 in a number of states. Was that fraud too???

You know the spiel ... There was only fraud in states Trump didn't win ... In 2016 he claimed 3 million votes were fraudulent ... There were Trumpists who were going to investigate this thoroughly ... And surprise surprise .. Never heard of these eejits again...

Hillary explained it perfectly in one of the debates

Overheal · 10-01-2021 05:09PM

biko wrote: »

A protestor was shot dead. That's not kid gloves.

Oh stop it.

They pushed and fought through multiple barricade lines, smashed through doors, got up to the second floor of the DNC wing and were meters away from the Speakers chamber where lawmakers were huddling and then, there, lethal force was deployed, finally.

Kaybaykwah · 10-01-2021 05:13PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

That requires a desire to learn but as we have seen in the last few years, these people don't what to know, they want to believe.

Yes, and of course, compound that with all the hero-worship of the rebel, and it is the perfect recipe for a disastrous course. One guy wore a jacket with the mention: "God, Trump and Guns". Multiply that by hundreds of thousands, millions fed the yahoo "Shoot and ask questions later" that Hollywood foists on them, draped in the stars and stripes. Even at close range, viewed from Canada, they are like animals in a zoo.

namloc1980 · 10-01-2021 05:21PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/22/904693468/more-than-550-000-primary-absentee-ballots-rejected-in-2020-far-outpacing-2016?t=1610294797864

Paper ink, one can write anything, doesn't make it true.

But here is a link .

And do you have the comparable stats for this election?? Or are you just making stuff up that they were all fine?

Overheal · 10-01-2021 05:21PM

Sand wrote: »

Unarmed protesters trying to gain access to their representatives is hardly domestic terror. People trying to spin this up into the beerhall putsch need to change the media they consume.

“The bad faith arguments will continue until morale improves”

Professor Moriarty · 10-01-2021 05:24PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/22/904693468/more-than-550-000-primary-absentee-ballots-rejected-in-2020-far-outpacing-2016?t=1610294797864

Paper ink, one can write anything, doesn't make it true.

But here is a link .

Hmmm. Did you read the article? Which party does it say will benefit most?

storker · 10-01-2021 05:26PM

Billy Mays wrote: »

A van with Biden/Harris plastered on the side pulled up at a count centre with a load of dodgy ballot slips!!!

How much more evidence do you need????

You'd need the following:

That such a van even existed
That it did contain ballot slips
That the ballots slips were indeed fraudulent
The those ballot slips were counted
That there were sufficient ballot slips to swing the result

So what's the evidence for all of the above?

Overheal · 10-01-2021 05:27PM

Sand wrote: »

I never said they wanted "a chat", cosy or otherwise. That's just a strawman.

Yea. You did. In dozens of posts. This is easily verified by reading back to last night.

Professor Moriarty · 10-01-2021 05:31PM

storker wrote: »

You'd need the following:
That such a van even existed

That it did contain ballot slips

That the ballots slips were indeed fraudulent

The those ballot slips were counted

That there were sufficient ballot slips to swing the result

So what's the evidence for all of the above?

It's QAnon/Oath Keeper/Proud Boy bollox. The vast majority of people in the US have accepted that the voting was legit, that Biden is rightfully president and that the Democrats won Georgia. Time for people who support Trump's filthy lies to get on with their lives instead of remaining mired in horsesh1t.

Overheal · 10-01-2021 05:33PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

''
An extraordinarily high number of ballots — more than 550,000 — have been rejected in this year's presidential primaries, according to a new analysis

That's far more than in the 2016 general election and has raised alarms about what might happen in November when tens of millions of more voters are expected to cast their ballots by mail, many for the first time.''

In Georgia 12k was thrown out in primaries, in Election trump lost Georgia by 11k, but there was far more votes in Presidential Election, so thrown out ballots would be far higher than the 12k in primaries.... in theory .

So ie. Not the 2020 General Election.

bad2dabone · 10-01-2021 05:38PM

Billy Mays wrote: »

A van with Biden/Harris plastered on the side pulled up at a count centre with a load of dodgy ballot slips!!!

How much more evidence do you need????

You've convinced me.

namloc1980 · 10-01-2021 05:39PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

''
An extraordinarily high number of ballots — more than 550,000 — have been rejected in this year's presidential primaries, according to a new analysis

That's far more than in the 2016 general election and has raised alarms about what might happen in November when tens of millions of more voters are expected to cast their ballots by mail, many for the first time.''

In Georgia 12k was thrown out in primaries, in Election trump lost Georgia by 11k, but there was far more votes in Presidential Election, so thrown out ballots would be far higher than the 12k in primaries.... in theory .

2,011 absentee ballots were rejected in the November 2020 election for missing or non-matching signatures out of 1,322,529 absentee ballots cast. In November 2018, 454 absentee ballots were rejected for missing or non-matching signatures out of 284,393 absentee ballots cast. The 0.15% rejection rate for signature issues was the same in both the 2018 and 2020 General Elections.

https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/number_of_absentee_ballots_rejected_for_signature_issues_in_the_2020_election_increased_350_from_2018

You were saying??

mcmoustache · 10-01-2021 05:40PM

Billy Mays wrote: »

A van with Biden/Harris plastered on the side pulled up at a count centre with a load of dodgy ballot slips!!!

How much more evidence do you need????

storker wrote: »

You'd need the following:
That such a van even existed

That it did contain ballot slips

That the ballots slips were indeed fraudulent

The those ballot slips were counted

That there were sufficient ballot slips to swing the result

So what's the evidence for all of the above?

bad2dabone wrote: »

You've convinced me.

Billy was being sarcastic here. Unfortunately, we live in an age where people post precisely such stupid nonsense and aren't being sarcastic at all. They really believe this stuff.

Overheal · 10-01-2021 05:43PM

https://twitter.com/schwarzenegger/status/1348249481284874240?s=21

Powerful message from Fmr Governor Schwarzenegger

Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

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