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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #2852
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,976 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    The clue to the problem is in the word "packed."
    Some of the more popular outdoor areas are packed yes, but in cities people have no option but to get out and walk through busy areas to get to where they want to excercise .

    We go to the beach all the time but walking along the footpaths it would be busy but mostly people keep their distance and a lot of people wearing masks or snoods in the busier areas out doors .

    If an area is too busy for you , turn back , but people have to get out , physically and mentally !


  • #2853
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    I would say providing the same vaccines that Ireland and the rest of the world are hoping to save them work, the majority of Australians (bar children) will be vaccinated by September so a lot of normality should return by then.

    In the meantime returning citizens that have been vaccinated and probably tourists that have been vaccinated will probably have no problem in 2nd half of the year. Qantas are now taking bookings from June.

    I would say there will probably still be quarantine for the vaccinated at the start for a period but if confidence grows as above 2nd half looks good.

    Yeah that's a good point. A lot of the places that surpassed it and secured the borders will vaccinate and then just slowly open the gates to those with proof of vaccination. Any outbreaks that do occur will be much more manageable as population is vaccinated so only 5 in a 100 would get in comparison to non vaccinated population. Main benefit of this approach is that their kids can go to school and hospitals function. Really seems like a no brainer.


  • #2854
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    blade1 wrote: »
    I don't know how packed it was.
    Poster said it was packed.
    No need to get in a strop with the FFS reply if it was a worry for someone else.
    There was a big hullabaloo in summer over crowds on beaches so it's only natural some people are going to be concerned.

    I just think people need to get over complaining about people being outside.
    They need to get outside for their health, both physical and mental, and for Vitamin D, excercise and general well being.
    Places like parks and beaches are where pedestrians will go for a walk and to clear their head.

    Of all the things people can be doing it's got the lowest risk of transmission (by far). It's a lot more risky going to a supermarket

    People throwing in one line comments like 'Parks were packed today' or posting such pictures on twitter/FB are effectively shaming people for going outside and are doing a lot more harm than good.


  • #2855
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    The advice all along has been to avoid busy public scenic/outdoor areas, that hasn't changed as far as I know. To only meet up with one other person from a different household outside to take exercise. How is this situation in a packed park safe then? London Mayor Sadiq Khan just called for mandated masks at all times even for outdoors. A lot of people seem to think it's impossible to catch covid once outside.


  • #2856
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    In the last two weeks, more than 50,000 cases have been reported in Ireland, accounting for nearly 40% of all cases reported in this country to date since the pandemic began.


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  • #2857
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,773 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    normanoffside wrote: »
    I just think people need to get over complaining about people being outside.
    They need to get outside for their health, both physical and mental, and for Vitamin D, excercise and general well being.
    Places like parks and beaches are where pedestrians will go for a walk and to clear their head.

    Of all the things people can be doing it's got the lowest risk of transmission (by far). It's a lot more risky going to a supermarket

    People throwing in one line comments like 'Parks were packed today' or posting such pictures on twitter/FB are effectively shaming people for going outside and are doing a lot more harm than good.

    Thing is, there seems to be two opposing sides and one is as bad as the other a lot of the time :o


  • #2858
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,976 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    What is wrong with suppressing a harmful virus? Look at Australia with 25 million people and 900 deaths. 5 times more population than us and we have twice the mortality. That is 10 times more deaths here proportionally. I'd happily take a bit of ''suppression'' and localised lockdowns over our methods to have hugely less infection rates. Other places like Singapore and Hong Kong go for big suppression. Thailand. China.
    It is also not too late, as people say. Virus needs hosts. It dwindles when there are no hosts, so there is always a chance to break chains of infection and go for protocols that enable the smallest amount possible of Covid.
    It will mean strict travel protocols, but so what.
    And why, to answer someone else, when we will have vaccines? Endemic disease, even with recurring vaccines that help contain it, is no good for a species. We have also created a pool of people compared to say places like Australia that will have ongoing issues due to having been infected. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00039-8/fulltext
    Even if it is 5% it is still people affected. Recurrent vaccines are not particularly a pleasant prospect either as a species, in my opinion.


    You misunderstand me .

    No problem with suppression, you know I am in favour if anything to suppress this ,I hope ,at this stage ;)

    But I don't think this can be eradicated completely, except with 100 % vaccination and that is impossible / unlikely .

    That is all I was saying .


  • #2859
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


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  • #2860
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,455 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I travel across Galway county one evening a week and last night I was stopped at 3 Garda checkpoints during the 2 hour trip.
    I made the same journey around 40 times last year and only got stopped twice. Impressive increase of profile by the Gardaí.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #2861
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    This might be a dumb question but while I was out walking earlier I walked passed a guy who just blew a huge cloud of vape vapour (can't stand these vapers). As I passed I could smell it pretty clearly so I obviously breathed some of it in. Is there a tiny chance the virus could be transmitted this way?


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  • #2862
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,976 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    normanoffside wrote: »
    I just think people need to get over complaining about people being outside.
    They need to get outside for their health, both physical and mental, and for Vitamin D, excercise and general well being.
    Places like parks and beaches are where pedestrians will go for a walk and to clear their head.

    Of all the things people can be doing it's got the lowest risk of transmission (by far). It's a lot more risky going to a supermarket

    People throwing in one line comments like 'Parks were packed today' or posting such pictures on twitter/FB are effectively shaming people for going outside and are doing a lot more harm than good.
    I agree with all except the last bit !

    Nobody going to stop me going for my walk.

    One thing that pissed me off in May was local people to parks and beaches objecting to non locals being " allowed " go back to walk on same once 2k restrictions lifted, as if they owned the public parks and beaches !

    Once people keeping distance, and not littering or gathering in groups ,there is no problem .


  • #2863
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Are we at a peak?
    Early days but a possibility that positive swab count peaked a few days ago. Fingers crossed it has and then that will allow hospital figures to decrease but we likely won't see that happening for about 10 days in hospitals.

    As I said before the main hope is that we don't reach the death count of spring.


  • #2864
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Are we at a peak?

    Nobody knows yet unfortunately. 5000 cases is still incredibly high.


  • #2865
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah that's a good point. A lot of the places that surpassed it and secured the borders will vaccinate and then just slowly open the gates to those with proof of vaccination. Any outbreaks that do occur will be much more manageable as population is vaccinated so only 5 in a 100 would get in comparison to non vaccinated population. Main benefit of this approach is that their kids can go to school and hospitals function. Really seems like a no brainer.

    Well I suppose you can call it a plan, any plan is better than no plan. Correct?

    A lot of that plan relies on vaccines working, but everyone is in the same boat in that respect.


  • #2866
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Looks like swab and case numbers fairly similar now. Any word on any backlog?

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1347927617668833280


  • #2867
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    In the last two weeks, more than 50,000 cases have been reported in Ireland, accounting for nearly 40% of all cases reported in this country to date since the pandemic began.

    And that's with not testing close contacts either for some of that time.


  • #2868
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    Can we stop looking to Australia, different completely, apart from their zero COVID policy, which was never and will never be pursued here, their climate is not comparable , and there were studies published back in the autumn that showed that mortality with COVID increased with every degree lower. Also, the best thing to kill COVID- sunshine, now compare us to Australia there.....
    We’re battling COVID similarly to other European countries and seem to be following a similar plan to them, so let’s at least compare apples with apples.


  • #2869
    Happy4all
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    screamer wrote: »
    Can we stop looking to Australia, different completely, apart from their zero COVID policy, which was never and will never be pursued here, their climate is not comparable , and there were studies published back in the autumn that showed that mortality with COVID increased with every degree lower. Also, the best thing to kill COVID- sunshine, now compare us to Australia there.....
    We’re battling COVID similarly to other European countries and seem to be following a similar plan to them, so let’s at least compare apples with apples.

    Where are you getting the evidence, sunshine kills Covid?


  • #2870
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Don't know if already posted
    Limerick hospital group triggers emergency plan as Covid surge sidelines 427 staff

    "“There are currently 427 staff across the group unavailable for work due to Covid-19. This includes staff who have tested positive for Covid-19 either through workplace or community transmission; those who are close contacts of positive cases, and staff who are showing symptoms and who are staying off work in line with the public health guidance in respect of Covid-19."

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40203932.html?type=amp


  • #2871
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    6 days of this week

    Positive swabs 32969
    Confirmed cases 38882


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  • #2872
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    screamer wrote: »
    Can we stop looking to Australia, different completely, apart from their zero COVID policy, which was never and will never be pursued here, their climate is not comparable , and there were studies published back in the autumn that showed that mortality with COVID increased with every degree lower. Also, the best thing to kill COVID- sunshine, now compare us to Australia there.....
    We’re battling COVID similarly to other European countries and seem to be following a similar plan to them, so let’s at least compare apples with apples.

    Ok so you prefer that our kids can't go to school. We've already closed the border to UK and SA. Do you remember when people said we'd starve if they closed the border to passengers? They were bull****ting I guess.


  • #2873
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Australia is not doing well because of the sun. They controlled entry into the country and enforce quarantine. I would imagine that has something to do with it.

    If it was due to the sun the southern US would have faired much better.


  • #2874
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    screamer wrote: »
    Can we stop looking to Australia, different completely, apart from their zero COVID policy, which was never and will never be pursued here, their climate is not comparable , and there were studies published back in the autumn that showed that mortality with COVID increased with every degree lower. Also, the best thing to kill COVID- sunshine, now compare us to Australia there.....
    We’re battling COVID similarly to other European countries and seem to be following a similar plan to them, so let’s at least compare apples with apples.

    Japan has 126 million people (25 times our population) and 3700 covid deaths (less than twice our deaths). It has a climate that is seasonal like ours. Hotter than Ireland in summer but not hotter than places like Spain or Italy that have very high covid mortality.

    South Korea has a seasonal climate - about the same as Japan. 50 million people (10 times more than us) and 1100 covid death (half ours).

    Iceland is cold. It has 350000 people (14 times less than us) and 29 covid deaths (79 times less than us).

    Norway with the same size population and less sunshine by far than us has had 472 covid deaths (almost 5 times less than us).

    Climate is not as big a factor as policy.


  • #2875
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    screamer wrote: »
    Can we stop looking to Australia, different completely, apart from their zero COVID policy, which was never and will never be pursued here, their climate is not comparable , and there were studies published back in the autumn that showed that mortality with COVID increased with every degree lower. Also, the best thing to kill COVID- sunshine, now compare us to Australia there.....
    We’re battling COVID similarly to other European countries and seem to be following a similar plan to them, so let’s at least compare apples with apples.
    Where is there any proof that sunshine kills covid? Was it not sunny enough in Brazil all year?


  • #2876
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Australia is not doing well because of the sun. They controlled entry into the country and enforce quarantine. I would imagine that has something to do with it.

    If it was due to the sun the southern US would have faired much better.

    Florida is super sunny alright, didn't do so well with covid though.

    https://twitter.com/jm_links/status/1313432760049192962?s=20


  • #2877
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    While we need to hear it it must be incredibly difficult on sick people at home listening to the constant talk of ICU filling up
    There are people sick with Covid who must be panicking when they hear of hospitals being in crisis


  • #2878
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Australia is not doing well because of the sun. They controlled entry into the country and enforce quarantine. I would imagine that has something to do with it.

    If it was due to the sun the southern US would have faired much better.

    I can't believe the seasonal myth persists. Like literally just look at Brazil, South Africa, Colombia, all facing much larger outbreaks in mid summer than they did during winter time. It may spread even faster in cold weather, but the only reason Europe didn't have COVID outbreaks in summer is because continent wide restrictions reduced levels of transmission to such minimal levels that it took a long time to build again, maybe hot weather and people being outdoors hammered that home, but it didn't cause it by itself.


  • #2879
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Suppose the numbers going down is a good thing


  • #2880
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Japan has 126 million people (25 times our population) and 3700 covid deaths (less than twice our deaths). It has a climate that is seasonal like ours. Hotter than Ireland in summer but not hotter than places like Spain or Italy that have very high covid mortality.

    South Korea has a seasonal climate - about the same as Japan. 50 million people (10 times more than us) and 1100 covid death (half ours).

    Iceland is cold. It has 350000 people (14 times less than us) and 29 covid deaths (79 times less than us).

    Norway with the same size population and less sunshine by far than us has had 472 covid deaths (almost 5 times less than us).

    Climate is not as big a factor as policy.
    Exactly. The seasonal excuse for why most of Europe is seeing large outbreaks that coincide with Autumn/winter is just such a lazy copout and incurious superficial argument


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  • #2881
    StevenToast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Suppose the numbers going down is a good thing

    Its saturday

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



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