Star Trek Discovery Season 3 [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Mav11 · 09-01-2021 12:13AM

OK, first time posting here. I'm of an age where I watched TOS when it first aired on RTE. Can't count how many times I have watched TNG, never got into DS9 but loved Voyager (I know, shoot me). Was just about to give up on Discovery, jeeez it's very "woked", but the last 2 episodes, which I have just watched, while a bit smarmy at the end, were top class. Is that the end of this series??

PhiloCypher · 09-01-2021 12:23AM

Mav11 wrote: »

OK, first time posting here. I'm of an age where I watched TOS when it first aired on RTE. Can't count how many times I have watched TNG, never got into DS9 but loved Voyager (I know, shoot me). Was just about to give up on Discovery, jeeez it's very "woked", but the last 2 episodes, which I have just watched, while a bit smarmy at the end, were top class. Is that the end of this series??

No season 4 is already in production in Toronto, its more like a soft reboot. New captain ( for the 3rd season running) , new mission , rebuilding the federation.
As for its wokeness. Trek has been woke since TOS, Discovery flaws are many, its Wokeness is the least of them imo.

Spear · 09-01-2021 01:00AM

Season 3 was just flat out bad.

There were fundamental mistakes in the pacing of the arc, utterly illogical character decisions, and simply unimaginative storytelling.

The first two episodes needlessly dragged out the scene setting, where one would have done. 4 out of the next 5 then follow the same template of Discovery interfering in an unhappy equilibrium while doing a tour of each individual planet. Then two episodes just to boot out Georgiou.

And during all this, the biggest mystery of the entire galaxy, in the form of the Burn, barely gets lip service.

And it's interspersed with bizarre character decisions, Burnham cheerfully butchering security guards doing their jobs at a completely legal trading post, Nhan abandons her crew and post to mind plants after coming a thousand years into the future, and of course Tilly as first officer.

What small glimpses of something interesting quickly disappear. The mysterious lullaby is hand waved away as somehow being a garbled distress beacon, some overdue screentime for the rest of the crew evaporates.

The two big baddies turn out to be a crying toddler, and Osyraa, who ultimately appears to not really evil, just pragmatic and ruthless in her methods, as opposed to malicious.

There's no big twists, nothing keep viewers guessing.

If I didn't know season 4 was already shooting, I'd almost think it was a series finale, given that everything ended with a neatly tied up bow on it.

BlitzKrieg · 09-01-2021 04:41AM

season 3 was a rollercoaster that just went meh for me. I was actually hopeful actually moving forward would allow the series to breath more and become more comfortable in its skin and it briefly felt like that this was the case but it quickly seemed to have receeded back to old problems.

I was really worried after the first two episodes because it felt like in the first episode that they'd fallen back to their mistakes in season 1 over focusing the episodes on burnham, but episode 2 which was the non burnham episode looked hopeful (even if it felt like a subpar next generation episode) I actually thought episode 3 hit the right spot juggling multiple plot threads with multiple characters and I was happy and hopeful.

and I was hoping it would stick to that

but honestly it feels like the new setting has been mostly wasted on the episodes that followed and it just never really wanted to do anything but the bare minimum to pass through each plotline.

All the made worst I think because of how short each season is. I think pushing 13 (roughly) episode seasons and insisting on some arc through it all is a core part of the series problem. It ends up overplaying Burnham underplaying the supporting cast, dangling a carrot with little foundation.

Short seasons make sense for a show like The Expanse or Mandalorian where they are doggedly chasing a single plot thread that is carried over series to series. I rather they shifted back to longer seasons for stark trek and accept that out of 20 or so episodes only say 8 of them will deal with the arc and the rest is used for character building. It's a shame because I honestly like a lot of the supporting cast in Discovery, they just get sidelined a lot. I like a lot of the characters they introduce but they never get the chance to build up as a returning cast member.

Though honestly I kinda just want to talk about the new uniforms. The Grey and clasped top with the rank right under the face feels a bit fascie to me but I really like the colour bar running down the chest indicating their post.

fritzelly · 09-01-2021 06:17AM

First two seasons I enjoyed - they at least had a coherent storyline running thru the season but this season was a total shambles from the Burn (oh how I groaned at the big wimpered at the reveal) to the totally pathetic baddie who we didn't even really get to see anything of like the Borg or the Cardassians etc
Season 3 was just a mish mash of ideas not didn't gel together at all

I could watch the first 2 seasons again some time in the future but I would certainly give this season a miss - like someone else said earlier I can easily watch TNG episodes over and over again, even Voyager episodes

One can only hope now they've got all the crap of arriving outta the way we some more world/Federation building with meeting new races and more a story of the week tho that probably wouldn't work with such limited episodes but...

Cookie_Monster · 09-01-2021 07:03AM

Just finished the last 3 episode. God its terrible.

I honestly hate every single character apart from Reno who is brilliant.

Banana Republic 1 · 09-01-2021 09:15AM

PhiloCypher wrote: »

No season 4 is already in production in Toronto, its more like a soft reboot. New captain ( for the 3rd season running) , new mission , rebuilding the federation.
As for its wokeness. Trek has been woke since TOS, Discovery flaws are many, its Wokeness is the least of them imo.

TOS was woke, man o man

Banana Republic 1 · 09-01-2021 09:17AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Just finished the last 3 episode. God its terrible.

I honestly hate every single character apart from Reno who is brilliant.

Is that a sarcastic statement ?

Cookie_Monster · 09-01-2021 09:30AM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Is that a sarcastic statement ?

no, its not

09-01-2021 10:02AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Just finished the last 3 episode. God its terrible.

I honestly hate every single character apart from Reno who is brilliant.

Agree, she stands out a mile. She's the only one not infected by the over emotion. That she can act is another outlier. Actually, I'd add booker too. Other than that, meh.

D13exile · 09-01-2021 10:18AM

Ok, I’m old as in old enough to grow up with Captain Kirk and co and later I had to learn to live with this bald Englishman pretending to be French called Picard. But I grew to prefer him to Kirk as TNG developed into a modern classic. DS9, Voyager and Enterprise had their moments but Discovery? What a load of first class sh1te. Star Trek has been destroyed in a similar manner to what Disney has done to Star Wars. An engaging science fiction roller coaster has been turned into a weepy soap opera with all the “essential” characters for the woke age, ie weepy/tearful characters (aplenty :rolleyes:) gay characters, plucky young teen punching above their weight, overweight lightweight makes first officer despite being a junior rank, a Captain who tolerates gross insubordination from their subordinate on many occasions, killing off what could and should have been great characters (sorry can’t name them as I just can’t get into this show but the android one, Lorca, the Emperor, Pike’s first officer etc). And as for Burnham, she’s the most annoying character ever to wear a Star Fleet uniform. In the “real” Star Trek universe, she’d have been kicked out of Star Fleet a long time ago on pure “breaking into tears at the first sign of stress” alone!

Sorry for the sarcasm but I’ve been a life long Trekkie and Discovery just annoys the fcuk out of me as to what they’ve done to the Star Trek universe.........similar to the travesty of what Disney has done to Star Wars of my youth

breezy1985 · 09-01-2021 11:26AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Agree, she stands out a mile. She's the only one not infected by the over emotion. That she can act is another outlier. Actually, I'd add booker too. Other than that, meh.

Saru was a great character and actor but by the end he was spewing the same muck as the other over emotional children

Banana Republic 1 · 09-01-2021 11:50AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Agree, she stands out a mile. She's the only one not infected by the over emotion. That she can act is another outlier. Actually, I'd add booker too. Other than that, meh.

The guy who played Booker is in another series called nightflyers a sci-fi which was filmed in Limerick, it’s on Netflix but there only 1 series. Netflix dropped that and pumped money into std, baffling,”.

RandomViewer · 09-01-2021 01:44PM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

The guy who played Booker is in another series called nightflyers a sci-fi which was filmed in Limerick, it’s on Netflix but there only 1 series. Netflix dropped that and pumped money into std, baffling,”.

Nightflyers wasnt up to much,

pixelburp · 09-01-2021 01:52PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Nightflyers wasnt up to much,

It also wasn't a Netflix production, it was a SyFy show (hence cancellation lol), and yeah. Was a bit rubbish anyway, trading on bring an old George RR Martin story IIRC. The Expanse is the gold standard of TV sci-fi ATM, others? I dunno. I liked Lost in Space as a good "people solve problems" show, while Apple+ has "For All Mankind", which would be my pick for "best show nobody's watching", a show set in NASA in a world where the Russians landed on the moon first

09-01-2021 01:54PM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

The guy who played Booker is in another series called nightflyers a sci-fi which was filmed in Limerick, it’s on Netflix but there only 1 series. Netflix dropped that and pumped money into std, baffling,”.

Filmed in a building I worked in no less.

But, never watched it. The reviews were poor and when cancelled I never bothered.

breezy1985 · 09-01-2021 02:23PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Nightflyers wasnt up to much,

Can't have been worse than Another Life. I watched about half the season because I was so curious to see how much more ridiculous it could get

RandomViewer · 09-01-2021 03:09PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Can't have been worse than Another Life. I watched about half the season because I was so curious to see how much more ridiculous it could get

10minutes episode 1, not my thing, "Raised by Wolves" is another steaming turd,
Why cant they just make big loud action shows with no other meaning, this current every niche must get airtime will not age well

pixelburp · 09-01-2021 04:27PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Can't have been worse than Another Life. I watched about half the season because I was so curious to see how much more ridiculous it could get

Brave man. Rare for me I don't give a show a few episodes to find its feet but Another Life's first episode was just so appalling I couldn't go on. One of those instances where yeah, I reckon I COULD have written something better myself.

breezy1985 · 09-01-2021 04:35PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Brave man. Rare for me I don't give a show a few episodes to find its feet but Another Life's first episode was just so appalling I couldn't go on. One of those instances where yeah, I reckon I COULD have written something better myself.

5 mins in it gets stupid but seeing as it was on Netflix I was too curious not to see how bad it could get.

Some lad as a review of everything wrong with it on twitter and I think its like an hour long

fritzelly · 09-01-2021 04:41PM

And yet somehow got renewed for season 2!

pixelburp · 09-01-2021 05:32PM

fritzelly wrote: »

And yet somehow got renewed for season 2!

Good god. And yet something like Dark Crystal got cancelled (though I can imagine which show was the cheaper one). I did get the impression Another Life had a small bump of notoriety on social media, presumably helping viewing numbers ...

Baggly · 09-01-2021 05:55PM

Netflix have the rights to STD here but they don't produce it. I take the point they spend money on the rights, but they are buying the show as it is. They don't have input on its production afaik.

Banana Republic 1 · 09-01-2021 06:01PM

Baggly wrote: »

Netflix have the rights to STD here but they don't produce it. I take the point they spend money on the rights, but they are buying the show as it is. They don't have input on its production afaik.

Netflix ploughed large amount of money into it though.

fritzelly · 09-01-2021 06:20PM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Netflix ploughed large amount of money into it though.

Did they not pretty much cover the cost of the first season

pixelburp · 09-01-2021 06:26PM

Netflix plough a lot of money into a lot of things. It's its modus operandi and notorious for throwing the cash around. The Irishman cost 200 million them IIRC, and I doubt international steaming rights for Discovery set them back that much in the grand scheme of things.

Baggly · 09-01-2021 06:32PM

They paid enough to pay for the season, for the rights.... But they didn't produce it.

Anymore than if I paid for thr rights for it.... Wouldn't mean I produced it or had input into how it's made.

pixelburp · 09-01-2021 06:44PM

Baggly wrote: »

They paid enough to pay for the season, for the rights.... But they didn't produce it.

Anymore than if I paid for thr rights for it.... Wouldn't mean I produced it or had input into how it's made.

I heard the first season, but not the second onwards? I dunno, they're so secretive and thanks to YouTube channels like Midnight's Edge there's a lot of bullshít out there. Only thing I'd be sure is Netflix paid a lot cos Netflix pays a lot. But as you say they have zero production input so they're utterly passive in this situation

GreeBo · 10-01-2021 02:12AM

To think that a show like firefly got canned after 1 season and yet this turd just keeps on floating!

TheValeyard · 10-01-2021 10:05AM

It had potential to be a great season and I felt it started off pretty okay. But it's just fallen so badly towards the end. And it made little or no sense in parts.

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Star Trek Discovery Season 3 [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]