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Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

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  • #4862
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,079 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    As T. S. Elliot wrote:
    "Not with a bang but with a whimper."
    Trump has conceded and will leave office on Jan 20th.
    Impeaching him will not just relight a smouldering candle but ignite an inferno.
    There wouldn't be a return of violence to disrupt the inpeachment hearings and final vote?
    If they can't get through the ring of steel then Congressmen and Senators when they return to their home states will need double or triple their current protection.
    The MAGA crowd are mad as hell and they will make the next 4 years impossible for Biden et al.
    Biden is going to be foolhardy during the next 4 years if he visits red states and isn't prepared for serious civil disturbances. Impeaching Trump is a huge mistake. He has conceded and Biden is taking over. He's talking about getting special powers and the Democrats are baying for blood. He's talking about reparations for black slavery which white conservatives will refuse to pay. He's talking about taking away firearms.
    He never heard of "Come And Take It" then?
    If Trump is banned for life he will just switch from Twitter to Parler and take his followers with him. And if Biden goes too far red states like Texas may simply secede and take other red states with them and elect Trump as their President.
    Be careful what you wish for.
    If Trump were to go on trial it would lead to a firestorm.

    Parler will probably be gone by Monday, at least from the Apple and Google stores.

    As for the second point in bold. Trump/the Republicans claimed to be the party of Law and Order. Are you saying that that is going to change?


  • #4863
    population
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭population


    everlast75 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1347617222487920645?s=19

    This is not having a go at you but responding to the tweet. Well duh! I mean does this mean that they actually put investigative man hours into this nonsense theory? Like why? Are they going to start investigating if Aliens did it next? Or cats?


  • #4864
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    As T. S. Elliot wrote:
    "Not with a bang but with a whimper."
    Trump has conceded and will leave office on Jan 20th.
    Impeaching him will not just relight a smouldering candle but ignite an inferno.
    There wouldn't be a return of violence to disrupt the inpeachment hearings and final vote?
    If they can't get through the ring of steel then Congressmen and Senators when they return to their home states will need double or triple their current protection.
    The MAGA crowd are mad as hell and they will make the next 4 years impossible for Biden et al.
    Biden is going to be foolhardy during the next 4 years if he visits red states and isn't prepared for serious civil disturbances. Impeaching Trump is a huge mistake. He has conceded and Biden is taking over. He's talking about getting special powers and the Democrats are baying for blood. He's talking about reparations for black slavery which white conservatives will refuse to pay. He's talking about taking away firearms.
    He never heard of "Come And Take It" then?
    If Trump is banned for life he will just switch from Twitter to Parler and take his followers with him. And if Biden goes too far red states like Texas may simply secede and take other red states with them and elect Trump as their President.
    Be careful what you wish for.
    If Trump were to go on trial it would lead to a firestorm.

    Here was me thinking the US stood against terrorism?

    I guess the colour of the skin and the passport they hold decides these things..

    "Defend the Constitution against foreign and domestic" seems these words mean nothing now


  • #4865
    JohnFalstaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭JohnFalstaff


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    As T. S. Elliot wrote:
    "Not with a bang but with a whimper."
    Trump has conceded and will leave office on Jan 20th.
    Impeaching him will not just relight a smouldering candle but ignite an inferno.
    There wouldn't be a return of violence to disrupt the inpeachment hearings and final vote?
    If they can't get through the ring of steel then Congressmen and Senators when they return to their home states will need double or triple their current protection.
    The MAGA crowd are mad as hell and they will make the next 4 years impossible for Biden et al.
    Biden is going to be foolhardy during the next 4 years if he visits red states and isn't prepared for serious civil disturbances. Impeaching Trump is a huge mistake. He has conceded and Biden is taking over. He's talking about getting special powers and the Democrats are baying for blood. He's talking about reparations for black slavery which white conservatives will refuse to pay. He's talking about taking away firearms.
    He never heard of "Come And Take It" then?
    If Trump is banned for life he will just switch from Twitter to Parler and take his followers with him. And if Biden goes too far red states like Texas may simply secede and take other red states with them and elect Trump as their President.
    Be careful what you wish for.
    If Trump were to go on trial it would lead to a firestorm.

    Mistah Trump - he dead
    And Texas will turn blue in two election cycles.


  • #4866
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,274 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    https://twitter.com/TomiLahren/status/1347689582226251778?s=19

    The tears are delicious.


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  • #4867
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,116 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    population wrote: »
    This is not having a go at you but responding to the tweet. Well duh! I mean does this mean that they actually put investigative man hours into this nonsense theory? Like why? Are they going to start investigating if Aliens did it next? Or cats?

    They are merely addressing a nonsense theory advanced by Matt Gaetz no less, and others.

    Important to call BS on stuff like this.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #4868
    francois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,600 ✭✭✭francois


    Free speech warriors in global meltdown


  • #4869
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    First amendment always had a clause about inciting violence

    it doesn't.

    Text is

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievance

    It doesn't apply at all in this case, though. Private property.


  • #4870
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    As T. S. Elliot wrote:
    "Not with a bang but with a whimper."
    Trump has conceded and will leave office on Jan 20th.
    Impeaching him will not just relight a smouldering candle but ignite an inferno.
    There wouldn't be a return of violence to disrupt the inpeachment hearings and final vote?
    If they can't get through the ring of steel then Congressmen and Senators when they return to their home states will need double or triple their current protection.
    The MAGA crowd are mad as hell and they will make the next 4 years impossible for Biden et al.
    Biden is going to be foolhardy during the next 4 years if he visits red states and isn't prepared for serious civil disturbances. Impeaching Trump is a huge mistake. He has conceded and Biden is taking over. He's talking about getting special powers and the Democrats are baying for blood. He's talking about reparations for black slavery which white conservatives will refuse to pay. He's talking about taking away firearms.
    He never heard of "Come And Take It" then?
    If Trump is banned for life he will just switch from Twitter to Parler and take his followers with him. And if Biden goes too far red states like Texas may simply secede and take other red states with them and elect Trump as their President.
    Be careful what you wish for.
    If Trump were to go on trial it would lead to a firestorm.

    So they should give in to terrorists, or the threat of terrorism, then?


  • #4871
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,854 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sure everybody was scared of the Trump totalitarian system.

    This is all very black mirror-ish isn't it. A large group of Tech Billionaires deciding what information the rest of us can see, to the extent that they exclude even the President of the US.


    The precedent set now is worrying, twitter will quite possibly get rid of Bernie Sanders, or some other "radical" leftist politician in the future.

    The first amendment is pretty weak, only stopping government censorship and not private censorship.

    https://twitter.com/TiltedEddie/status/1347695261942906880


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  • #4872
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sure everybody was scared of the Trump totalitarian system.

    This is all very black mirror-ish isn't it. A large group of Tech Billionaires deciding what information the rest of us can see, to the extent that they exclude even the President of the US.


    The precedent set now is worrying, twitter will quite possibly get rid of Bernie Sanders, or some other "radical" leftist politician in the future.

    The first amendment is pretty weak, only stopping government censorship and not private censorship.

    Private censorship is a bit of an oxymoron.

    If I want to go make a speech in your house, you don't have to let me. Trump still has plenty of ways to make himself heard, he has not been censored. Tech companies have no obligation to allow their platforms be used for inciting violence (or anything really).


  • #4873
    Samsonsmasher
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Samsonsmasher


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Parler will probably be gone by Monday, at least from the Apple and Google stores.

    As for the second point in bold. Trump/the Republicans claimed to be the party of Law and Order. Are you saying that that is going to change?

    They believe that both law and order have been usurped by the Democrat steal. They do not recognize Biden as the legitimate President they do not recognise the Senate and Congress as representing the will of the people by endorsing Biden's electors. They believe the Supreme Court reneged on its duty to rule in favour of the challenge to the legitimacy of the election.


  • #4874
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    francois wrote: »
    Free speech warriors in global meltdown

    The irony is that they have fúck all to say.


  • #4875
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    francois wrote: »
    Free speech warriors in global meltdown

    WE definitely need less free speech alright, whilst condemning China and other dictatorships for ** checks notes *** prohibiting free speech.

    But but but, that's the government, says you. Doesn't really matter says I.

    Anyway those of you getting a bit horny about this will, some day in the future, see your own politicians disappear from electronic media, and what will be left would be bland centrists. And war mongers, always the war mongers.


  • #4876
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Deleted User wrote: »
    WE definitely need less free speech alright, whilst condemning China and other dictatorships for ** checks notes *** prohibiting free speech.

    But but but, that's the government, says you. Doesn't really matter says I.

    Anyway those of you getting a bit horny about this will, some day in the future, see your own politicians disappear from electronic media, and what will be left would be bland centrists. And war mongers, always the war mongers.

    Yeah, yeah, grand.


  • #4877
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,079 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    They believe that both law and order have been usurped by the Democrat steal. They do not recognize Biden as the legitimate President they do not recognise the Senate and Congress as representing the will of the people by endorsing Biden's electors. They believe the Supreme Court reneged on its duty to rule in favour of the challenge to the legitimacy of the election.

    They had their opportunities to challenge election results at every court level in the land. They failed.

    They are willfully ignoring the evidence in order to undermine the democratic process.

    They're only belief is that they should get what they want. That isn't good enough.


  • #4878
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    https://twitter.com/punishedDJT/status/1347693365937147904?s=19


  • #4879
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    Here was me thinking the US stood against terrorism?

    That would be pretty naive. The US promotes terrorism all over the world.


  • #4880
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,854 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    https://twitter.com/Tucker5law/status/1347691760567386112


  • #4881
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    WE definitely need less free speech alright, whilst condemning China and other dictatorships for ** checks notes *** prohibiting free speech.

    But but but, that's the government, says you. Doesn't really matter says I.

    Anyway those of you getting a bit horny about this will, some day in the future, see your own politicians disappear from electronic media, and what will be left would be bland centrists. And war mongers, always the war mongers.

    The guy just got permabanned for being.... A war monger?


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  • #4882
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,681 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Too little, too late with the Twitter ban at this stage. Just reinforces the conspiracy theory amongst his supporters. Trump has been moving his campaign to the likes of Parlour for months now.

    His supporters get their news and content from the likes of Parlour now, which no responsible persons have any control over. Twitter and Facebook are just used for trolling.

    Expect a massive upsurge in the use of Parlour. I'm considering getting it myself as someone who likes to keep abreast of what is being discussed amongst Trump supporters and right wing extremists in general.

    It's important that we know what their narrative is. Driving discussion underground and pretending it isn't happening is just asking for a catastrophe to happen.


  • #4883
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    He is the sitting President of the United States. He has a wider communicative reach than any other human being on Earth, he's just too stupid to use it.


  • #4884
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Amirani wrote: »
    Private censorship is a bit of an oxymoron.

    No it isn't. There is no definition of censorship which says it is only public.

    From wiki ( and pretty much everywhere else).

    Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient."[2][3][4] Censorship can be conducted by governments,[5] private institutions, and other controlling bodies.

    Also here is what oxymoron means.

    a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g. faith unfaithful kept him falsely true ).

    So who knows what you are going for there. Unless you think that private is contradictory to censorship.


  • #4885
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    The guy just got permabanned for being.... A war monger?

    Did he? What wars recently did Trump engage in? Is that what Twitter claimed? No.

    Here's Johnny Bolton. Warmonger. On Twitter.

    https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor


  • #4886
    Sparko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Sparko


    He's probably desperately looking for Melania to get her to let him use her phone.


  • #4887
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I wonder what tweet got him banned. We'll never see it.


  • #4888
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Amirani wrote: »
    Private censorship is a bit of an oxymoron.

    If I want to go make a speech in your house, you don't have to let me. Trump still has plenty of ways to make himself heard, he has not been censored. Tech companies have no obligation to allow their platforms be used for inciting violence (or anything really).

    I mostly agree. But there is an argument to be made that Twitter has become much more than just a platform for speech, and that the possibility of silencing people on it is a concern. Trumps case however isn't that argument.


  • #4889
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,854 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No it isn't. There is no definition of censorship which says it is only public.

    From wiki ( and pretty much everywhere else).

    Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient."[2][3][4] Censorship can be conducted by governments,[5] private institutions, and other controlling bodies.

    Trump agreed, like every other user, to Twitters Terms of Service when he set up his account.

    The fact that he's violated pretty much every one of them puts him in breach of that agreement with Twitter, and they are 100% within their rights to remove his service.

    Fact that they should have done it years ago (back when he started pushing the Obama Birther nonsense would have been ideal) is a conversation for another day, but there is NO CENSORSHIP at play.

    Trump is well within his rights to set up his own platform if he wants his nonsense heard, other platforms are not obliged to host him.


  • #4890
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I called it! I ****ing CALLED IT.

    Axios’ Jonathan Swan (“it is what it is” interview) reports White House is operating under ‘DEFACTO 25TH AMMENDMENT.’

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/jonathan-swan-reports-white-house-under-de-facto-25th-amendment-with-cabinet-ignoring-trump-operating-as-if-he-is-not-the-president/

    Have (and many) suspected since the delay of the national guard. When we learned Pence and the Joint Chiefs acted on that without mentioning Trump.

    F*CK YES, if this means they will not give him the paperwork to issue pardons.

    God damn sex is good but - damn.


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  • #4891
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    A private company can censor who they like for breaking THEIR RULES. No amount of whinging will change that.


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