Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Overheal · 08-01-2021 06:06PM

Cruz Stocky Steak wrote: »

Watching her for the past few years, I'd put money on AOC being the first female President. She is closer to the Trump supporters in societal status than Trump himself.

Older Republican are obviously very threatened by her as they keep reverting back to her being a barwoman from NY.

Very capable and one to watch.

Flip flopping between "work hard, pick yourself up by the bootstraps, honest job honest pay" and "bartender lmao"

And yes, still lots of right wing stories lionizing bartenders and bar owners who are 'distraught' about the Covid lockdowns. Duplicitous sons of bastards.

is_that_so · 08-01-2021 06:07PM

Mike Murdock wrote: »

She has as many enemies in the DNC as in the GOP.

Pelosi and older Democrats hate her.

She's young and a bit foolish, well politically naive. She's as divisive as she is popular and she really needs to learn the value of compromise.

Carfacemandog · 08-01-2021 06:07PM

rosser44 wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see what role the placing of trump loyalists into positions within the pentagon had to play with the delaying of the roll out of the National Guard

The pentagon seem to have offered on advance actually, while the secretary of defense (Christopher Miller, a hardcore trump loyalist who has been actively getting in the way of the transition process).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_C._Miller

The army secretary had to bipass Miller and call the Maryland Governor directly, breaching protocol in the process, to get the NG sent out.

Makes you wonder if all the lost cause claims in the courts the last two months have been an effort to legitimize a planned coup. Because it's hard to find an explanation for the police state that the US has become preparing for and responding to an event like this in the way they did.

Overheal · 08-01-2021 06:08PM

is_that_so wrote: »

She's young and a bit foolish, well politically naive. She's as divisive as she is popular and she really needs to learn the value of compromise.

Like compromising with a colleague who calls you a "****ing bitch" and then doesn't apologize for 'standing up for what he believes in?'

flazio · 08-01-2021 06:08PM

It's a good job he never finished his wall. He could still make a run for the border

I did moot the idea of Biden pardoning Trump as a way of extinguishing the flames of nutjobbery, but to the credit of the boards members they have convinced me that it's a bad move.
But make no mistake, the race for reelection in 2024 is already 2 months in and the votes gained this time cannot be relied upon automatically. They must be won again.

Tippex · 08-01-2021 06:10PM

I've a question about what happened with the poor officer the got beaten and I think I know the answer.

It is pretty clear that there are going to be some charges coming down on Trump for incitement (or at least they will try) but could the family of the officer take a civil suit against Trump for his wrongful death or does the fact he was president at the time make him immune to those sort of cases?

Donald Trump · 08-01-2021 06:11PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Anyone paying attention saw it coming, I pretty sure it was mentioned multiple times in this thread even.

....

Thoughts?

As I said, I would have expected protests. Clashes between anti-protestors and protestors. Perhaps even attacks on stores or vehicles etc.

Feel free to give me one concrete example from any commentator who predicted that the Trumpers would possibly attack and overrun the Capitol?

Another agency asking them in advance whether they needed any assistance is likely a routine process

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 08-01-2021 06:12PM

Anyone remember back to the press conference held in Georgia in November/December time, the guy was telling the POTUS that his words mattered and if he keeps going someone was going to get hurt, someone was going to get shot, someone was going to get killed?

In the words of Malcolm X.. The chickens have come home to roost.

Overheal · 08-01-2021 06:14PM

Tippex wrote: »

I've a question about what happened with the poor officer the got beaten and I think I know the answer.

It is pretty clear that there are going to be some charges coming down on Trump for incitement (or at least they will try) but could the family of the officer take a civil suit against Trump for his wrongful death or does the fact he was president at the time make him immune to those sort of cases?

The OLC opinion is non binding, just nobody challenges it. It's only for indicting them while in office, and frankly this wasn't an official action of office, it was a political action by a political candidate who was upset they lost an election. This wasn't some criminal infraction as the result of an executive order or something. IANAL but I think they'd be dead to rights to sue him in a civil court.

Until or unless they impeach him this is just going to fester. He could pardon his family and walk right the hell away from this. Though, I suspect many State AGs might file state charges against Trump, if they can find any that relate to this assault. States have already pledged that residents of their states that partook in this will be facing prosecution.

ILoveYourVibes · 08-01-2021 06:14PM

Pelosi was trying to hide the nuclear codes from trump

This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/pelosi-trump-riot-war-nuclear-weapons-b1784580.html

Smart lady.

Overheal · 08-01-2021 06:15PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Anyone remember back to the press conference held in Georgia in November/December time, the guy was telling the POTUS that his words mattered and if he keeps going someone was going to get hurt, someone was going to get shot, someone was going to get killed?

In the words of Malcolm X.. The chickens have come home to roost.

Brad Raffensberger or his Lt. I believe. In relation to a no-name poll worker receiving death threats over her presence in a conspiracy video.

08-01-2021 06:15PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Anyone remember back to the press conference held in Georgia in November/December time, the guy was telling the POTUS that his words mattered and if he keeps going someone was going to get hurt, someone was going to get shot, someone was going to get killed?

In the words of Malcolm X.. The chickens have come home to roost.

I believe that was Gabriel Sterling from recollection.

murpho999 · 08-01-2021 06:15PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

On a stage outside socially distanced in front of the Capitol is much safer than doing it indoors - especially if he asks that no non-invitees attend.

The stage has been in the process of being built for weeks. At this point changing track is giving in to terrorism.

I'm talking about the event being held indoors with very few numbers.

Judge, candidates and family.

There was no sign of a stage being built when the trouble happend on Wednesday.

I'm not talking about terrorism at all but covid.

Overheal · 08-01-2021 06:17PM

https://twitter.com/CaptMarkKelly/status/1347559205679468544?s=20

we learn nothing

Overheal · 08-01-2021 06:17PM

Cruz Stocky Steak wrote: »

I believe that was Gabriel Sterling from recollection.

Bingo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0H3fKdzhxg

murpho999 · 08-01-2021 06:18PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I mean storming the Capitol Building and appearing to be prepared to take hostages was more prescient in my mind than COVID on the day TBH.

I'm talking about the inauguration not what happened on Wednesday.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 08-01-2021 06:19PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Anyone remember back to the press conference held in Georgia in November/December time, the guy was telling the POTUS that his words mattered and if he keeps going someone was going to get hurt, someone was going to get shot, someone was going to get killed?

In the words of Malcolm X.. The chickens have come home to roost.

Got it..

https://twitter.com/karshaner/status/1334308726723981312?s=09

BorneTobyWilde · 08-01-2021 06:21PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Why? Just because he's beloved by American deplorables is no reason to pardon him. Biden can have the relevant law enforcement body investigate him while he governs the country.

What about the 300,000 Americans killed by covid? Do they not deserve justice?

UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain together have a lower population than the USA, But their covid deaths are 400,000 plus combined.
This virus has done the exact same everywhere.

Foxtrol · 08-01-2021 06:22PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Again, as shocking as those scenes are, it is not the same scenario and your argument amounts to a tautology. It will always be easier to clear an actual genuine and peaceful protest

One of my best friends was arrested during a sit-down protest outside the Whitehouse. It was organised and she had received training and instruction on what to do after being arrested.

The cops gave them whatever warning to disperse and they did not and then the cops came in and lifted them one by one. Actually, she was about 30 at the time but she looked very young and the cops weren't going to arrest her as they though she was underage. So she had to correct them in order to be arrested.
They made their protest, got arrested, the group made their point and got their publicity over the issue (they were all photographed being arrested).

Had they tried to attack the cops in a mob, some would have gotten away. The fact that they were a genuine peaceful protest means that it is easy for the cops to deal with it.

The cops should have dealt with the recent storming far quicker and more harshly IMO. Comparing that to their ability to wheel out disabled people in wheelchairs and trying to use that as a proof of something is a load of bollix.

I was at completely peaceful BLM protests over the summer yet the police lined the streets in riot gear and had busses ready for arrests - at one protest there was more cops than protesters. Cops regularly chased protesters down public streets when in this case they were taking selfies with protesters that broke into the Capitol and assaulted and killed police.

Here were the DC arrest number comparison despite which obviously involved more law breaking

https://twitter.com/AriMelber/status/1347363579389992961?s=20

When police reinforcements arrived to the Capitol - the multiple SWAT teams - they could have easily arrested and kept those inside. Instead they literally held the door as they walked away. Now they have to go through the trouble of tracking them down and many will likely get away with their actions.

https://twitter.com/mattmiller757/status/1346944869588230144?s=20

Sarcozies · 08-01-2021 06:26PM

Overheal wrote: »

https://twitter.com/baothai1995/status/1347570577595265025?s=20

Covid wasn't going to prevent the inauguration from happening on the Capitol stage. They are still in the process of building it.

Terrorism won't, either.

Biden discouraged the public from gathering in masses on the mall. The ceremony itself will still take place.

We got em, people. Is tik tok admissable in court? I hope it is. I hope the super imposed face of the young lady doesn't discredit this impeccable evidence of...

*Checks notes*

A man coming up to security and hugging him.

valoren · 08-01-2021 06:27PM

If Johnson can be inaugurated aboard Air Force One then Biden can be inaugurated in a similarly small ceremony considering Covid.

LessOutragePlz · 08-01-2021 06:27PM

Can Trump pardon himself before he leaves the office against potential future criminal charges?

Overheal · 08-01-2021 06:28PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Can Trump pardon himself before he leaves the office against potential future criminal charges?

Not proactively no. Only retroactively.

Gerald Fords pardon covered all crimes Nixon may have committed between the date of his inauguration and the date of his resignation.

08-01-2021 06:28PM

Overheal wrote: »

Bingo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0H3fKdzhxg

I remember discussing this with a work colleague from Texas who is going to work in DC this year. He is absolutely petrified about the whole thing and this movement. Very level headed fella, has some great insights but says he won't stop stressing until the Inauguration is done.

PropJoe10 · 08-01-2021 06:30PM

Trump not attending Biden's inauguration just shows what a petty, pathetic man-child we are dealing with here. The fact that some people STILL seem to see this guy as a strong leader is just laughable.

ancapailldorcha · 08-01-2021 06:31PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain together have a lower population than the USA, But their covid deaths are 400,000 plus combined.
This virus has done the exact same everywhere.

And how many of them were led by babbling f*ckwits who believed that injecting bleach was a solution?

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 06:31PM

valoren wrote: »

If Johnson can be inaugurated aboard Air Force One then Biden can be inaugurated in a similarly small ceremony considering Covid.

completely different situations. the stage is built. it will be taking place outdoors and done so safely.

Foxtrol · 08-01-2021 06:31PM

murpho999 wrote: »

I'm talking about the event being held indoors with very few numbers.

Judge, candidates and family.

There was no sign of a stage being built when the trouble happend on Wednesday.

I'm not talking about terrorism at all but covid.

You clearly didn't know what you were looking at then.

The stage always take several weeks to put up (and take down), along with the media towers. The mob took them all over and you can see them in these photos.

https://twitter.com/KUTV2News/status/1346903499590680577?s=20

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1347020588846604294?s=20

Overheal · 08-01-2021 06:31PM

Cruz Stocky Steak wrote: »

I remember discussing this with a work colleague from Texas who is going to work in DC this year. He is absolutely petrified about the whole thing and this movement. Very level headed fella, has some great insights but says he won't stop stressing until the Inauguration is done.

I won't even stop stressing then. You just know Trump won't go away. Even if he's indicted his orbit will pick up the fight, even if he's arrested. And these militia yahoos will go to bat. These types idolize the Timothy McVeighs. We haven't seen the last act of terrorism inspired by Trump.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 08-01-2021 06:33PM

The reason for bringing that up, I've seen posted elsewhere comparing the response to this rally and what went on in the summer, what went on in the summer was going on for X amount of time.. yet here is an election official being able to predict the future off of the president's words back what 6/7 weeks ago?? How the fcuk was there not a bigger security presence Wednesday beggers belief.

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