Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

08-01-2021 05:42PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

For one President to go after another is not a good look. If Biden claims to be a President for all of America then he can't go after the 75m people who support him, needs to pardon Trump, the same way Nixon was pardoned . If he doesn't then he'll never heal the nation. One man v the nation. Put country before Trump, and bring peace with a pardon.

It's a matter of abuse of the office imho. To do nothing, sets a precedent the President can do whatever he wants. He's actively attacked The democratic foundations of the state so it's far more than about one man. The damage Trump has done will fester regardless of a pardon. And I'd suspect based on Biden's blistering comments about Trump yesterday that he isn't getting a pardon.

ancapailldorcha · 08-01-2021 05:42PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's amazing that all the Trumpists are suddenly looking for unity and healing at the 11th hour. Pathetic.

Mad how only the left, ie anyone who isn't a white supremacist are supposed to worry about healing the country. The white trash killing people, waving swastikas and attempting a coup are what, exactly? A great bunch of lads?

Faugheen · 08-01-2021 05:43PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

For one President to go after another is not a good look. If Biden claims to be a President for all of America then he can't go after the 75m people who support Trump, needs to pardon Trump, the same way Nixon was pardoned . If he doesn't then he'll never heal the nation. One man v the nation. Put country before Trump, and bring peace with a pardon.

Ahahahaha.

Biden pardon Trump. F*cking hell that’s a laugh I really needed

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 05:45PM

Overheal wrote: »

Meh. There are former presidents who have not, just not in modern memory.

I can't remember any inauguration where the incumbent didn't go.

is_that_so · 08-01-2021 05:45PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

For one President to go after another is not a good look. If Biden claims to be a President for all of America then he can't go after the 75m people who support Trump, needs to pardon Trump, the same way Nixon was pardoned . If he doesn't then he'll never heal the nation. One man v the nation. Put country before Trump, and bring peace with a pardon.

Biden's mood on it seems to be just to ignore him and let him go out to pasture. A pardon would be absolutely absurd especially after the last few days.

listermint · 08-01-2021 05:46PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's amazing that all the Trumpists are suddenly looking for unity and healing at the 11th hour. Pathetic.

Absolutely no different to the brexiteers and Tory supporters in the UK.

Transparent.

BorneTobyWilde · 08-01-2021 05:46PM

Overheal wrote: »

I could say a lot of choice words about that, or at you, but I will condense it:

F%ck no.

So Bidens presidency will be about one thing, taking down Trump , not a good luck. Ford pardoned Nixon to draw a line under it, and to move on.

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 05:47PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Biden's mood on it seems to be just to ignore him and let him go out to pasture. A pardon would be absolutely absurd especially after the last few days.

besides, it wouldn't be biden going after him. It would be the DOJ doing their jobs and indicting a criminal.

ancapailldorcha · 08-01-2021 05:47PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So Bidens presidency will be about one thing, taking down Trump , not a good luck. Ford pardoned Nixon to draw a line under it, and to move on.

Why? Just because he's beloved by American deplorables is no reason to pardon him. Biden can have the relevant law enforcement body investigate him while he governs the country.

What about the 300,000 Americans killed by covid? Do they not deserve justice?

is_that_so · 08-01-2021 05:47PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So Bidens presidency will be about one thing, taking down Trump , not a good luck. Ford pardoned Nixon to draw a line under it, and to move on.

Nixon was so disgraced he could never hold any office again, a pardon would embolden Trump to try again.

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 05:48PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So Bidens presidency will be about one thing, taking down Trump , not a good luck. Ford pardoned Nixon to draw a line under it, and to move on.

nothing to do with Biden. all down to the DOJ.

astrofool · 08-01-2021 05:48PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So Bidens presidency will be about one thing, taking down Trump , not a good luck. Ford pardoned Nixon to draw a line under it, and to move on.

Biden will just ignore the orange fart that lingered in the white house for 4 years.

briany · 08-01-2021 05:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Biden's mood on it seems to be just to ignore him and let him go out to pasture. A pardon would be absolutely absurd especially after the last few days.

Trump's not going out to pasture, though. Unless he's stopped, he's going to continue riling up his supporters. Sure, kick him off Twitter, but he can just develop his own app, or supporters can develop one for him.

namloc1980 · 08-01-2021 05:50PM

astrofool wrote: »

Biden will just ignore the orange fart that lingered in the white house for 4 years.

Seriously though they'll need to do a thorough fumigation of the White House before anyone from the Biden admin goes in there.

namloc1980 · 08-01-2021 05:51PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Biden's mood on it seems to be just to ignore him and let him go out to pasture. A pardon would be absolutely absurd especially after the last few days.

Nixon was disgraced and never reared his head again. Trump is emboldened and will continue to rile up his base for years to come.

James Brown · 08-01-2021 05:52PM

I hear the police officer who died had earlier been beaten with a fire extinguisher.
I hope who ever decided to refuse support from the Feds knowing these people were marching, Trump for inciting and of course the participants themselves are all held to account.

briany · 08-01-2021 05:52PM

astrofool wrote: »

Biden will just ignore the orange fart that lingered in the white house for 4 years.

Ignoring problems aren't really a good way to deal with them, though, and problems don't usually fix themselves.

08-01-2021 05:52PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So Bidens presidency will be about one thing, taking down Trump , not a good luck. Ford pardoned Nixon to draw a line under it, and to move on.

Thing is Trump has gone far further than Nixon ever went. To do nothing or to pardon it would ultimately serve to show a sitting President can do anything without negative consequences. I would say it's less so about Biden making his presidency about taking down Trump and rather letting the DOJ to do their job while a functioning government is restored. Nothing to prevent the government from doing multiple things at any given time btw.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 08-01-2021 05:53PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

For one President to go after another is not a good look. If Biden claims to be a President for all of America then he can't go after the 75m people who support Trump, needs to pardon Trump, the same way Nixon was pardoned . If he doesn't then he'll never heal the nation. One man v the nation. Put country before Trump, and bring peace with a pardon.

Here was me thinking the maga boys and girls had the balls of the nation, now it seems when they lose a fight the "pussies" need to rub the bellies and backs of the losers to heal their broken hearts. Give me a break!

I'd advocate moving if trump was quiet since the election, he hasn't.. he took the court route and lost at nearly every turn he took and as final push, got his mob together and riled up the idiots into storming the capitol building with intent to capture politicians who were against them..

Healing the nation is trump standing trial, lay down the laws of the constitution and he should bare full responsibility for his sick actions.

Carfacemandog · 08-01-2021 05:54PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

In other words you don't have an answer or have maybe finally realised the point that I was making and know that you were incorrect to jump on the outrage of a photo of the National Guard on the Lincoln Monument as being relevant to what happened on the Capitol and make it about the discrimination against blacks or whatever

It's not.

Anyone paying attention saw it coming, I pretty sure it was mentioned multiple times in this thread even.

The pentagon were aware and offered assistance... the police said no. Then after having let the terrorists through, police again refused assistance.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/capitol-police-rejected-offers-federal-214932103.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — Three days before supporters of President Donald Trump rioted at the Capitol, the Pentagon asked the U.S Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower. And as the mob descended on the building Wednesday, Justice Department leaders reached out to offer up FBI agents. The police turned them down both times, according to senior defense officials and two people familiar with the matter.

The House has said they will be launching an investigation into this, and the chief of that police force has announced he is resigning as of Jan 16th. Rank and file have also said they are outraged about what happened due to 'leadership'.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1253389

Sund's resignation will go into effect on Jan. 16, just a few days shy of President-Elect Joe Biden's inauguration, a police spokeswoman said Thursday. The announcement comes shortly after the head of the department's union called for a "change at the top."

Officers are "frustrated and demoralized" with how a lack of leadership undermined the response to the mob, according to a statement from Gus Papathanasiou, the union chairman. Papathanasiou laid the blame on a failure and planning while praising officers for their work.

On top of that, Maryland Governor has come out and said they were repeatedly denied assistance from the NG and it appears they only got it in the end because people broke protocol and worked through unofficial channels:

https://twitter.com/RobertMackey/status/1347374738369175553

The more and more comes out on this, the shadier it seems, and calls into question why Trump was so quick to get out thebliebthatnhe "immediately sent the NG" as soon as things got violent, when all sides say he had nothing to do with releasing them at all and if anything appears to have tried to make it so adequate support could not get there in time.

Thoughts?

Tell me how · 08-01-2021 05:54PM

Given the way she has hit back at Cruz, Hawley and now Graham, completely appropriately in all cases, I really hope AOC has access to and is utilising all the appropriate security measures.
She should be one of the leading forces in the Democratic Party for the next 30+ years and will need to be kept safe to do so.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1347585309547110400

astrofool · 08-01-2021 05:55PM

briany wrote: »

Trump's not going out to pasture, though. Unless he's stopped, he's going to continue riling up his supporters. Sure, kick him off Twitter, but he can just develop his own app, or supporters can develop one for him.

His base becomes narrower as time goes on, you'd wonder how long the trump name on hotels will last, they seem to be doing their best to burn as many bridges as possible on the way out.

Tell me how · 08-01-2021 05:57PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

For one President to go after another is not a good look. If Biden claims to be a President for all of America then he can't go after the 75m people who support Trump, needs to pardon Trump, the same way Nixon was pardoned . If he doesn't then he'll never heal the nation. One man v the nation. Put country before Trump, and bring peace with a pardon.

So the people who purported to be the Party of Law and Order have no interest in the concept of responsibility for criminal acts?

Absolute delusional nonsense. Trump made his bed, he should be made lie in it.

astrofool · 08-01-2021 05:58PM

briany wrote: »

Ignoring problems aren't really a good way to deal with them, though, and problems don't usually fix themselves.

trump needs applause to exist, deny him that, and like a fire without oxygen, he'll burn himself out. Nobody uses parler, getting him off mainstream social media is the first part of reducing him to a non entity.

rosser44 · 08-01-2021 05:58PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Anyone paying attention saw it coming, I pretty sure it was mentioned multiple times in this thread even.

The pentagon were aware and offered assistance... the police said no. Then after having let the terrorists through, police again refused assistance.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/capitol-police-rejected-offers-federal-214932103.html

The House has said they will be launching an investigation into this, and the chief of that police force has announced he is resigning as of Jan 16th. Rank and file have also said they are outraged about what happened due to 'leadership'.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1253389

On top of that, Maryland Governor has come out and said they were repeatedly denied assistance from the NG and it appears they only got it in the end because people broke protocol and worked through unofficial channels:

https://twitter.com/RobertMackey/status/1347374738369175553

The more and more comes out on this, the shadier it seems, and calls into question why Trump was so quick to get out thebliebthatnhe "immediately sent the NG" as soon as things got violent, when all sides say he had nothing to do with releasing them at all and if anything appears to have tried to make it so adequate support could not get there in time.

Thoughts?

It'll be interesting to see what role the placing of trump loyalists into positions within the pentagon had to play with the delaying of the roll out of the National Guard

Overheal · 08-01-2021 05:59PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So Bidens presidency will be about one thing, taking down Trump , not a good luck. Ford pardoned Nixon to draw a line under it, and to move on.

IDGAF personally. Hillary has been criminally investigated for 6-8 ****ing years. It will be the DOJ and the AG or their special counsel. The President won't have anything to do with it. Trump left many people with the mistaken acceptance that a POTUS' job is to go after their political enemies personally and 'lock them up.' The DOJ will do it, as they are normally supposed to, without passion or prejudice, and only an even execution of the law. Biden will be recused from the matter, but we must have accountability.

08-01-2021 06:02PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Given the way she has hit back at Cruz, Hawley and now Graham, completely appropriately in all cases, I really hope AOC has access to and is utilising all the appropriate security measures.
She should be one of the leading forces in the Democratic Party for the next 30+ years and will need to be kept safe to do so.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1347585309547110400

Watching her for the past few years, I'd put money on AOC being the first female President. She is closer to the Trump supporters in societal status than Trump himself.

Older Republican are obviously very threatened by her as they keep reverting back to her being a barwoman from NY.

Very capable and one to watch.

Mike Murdock · 08-01-2021 06:03PM

Cruz Stocky Steak wrote: »

Watching her for the past few years, I'd put money on AOC being the first female President. She is closer to the Trump supporters in societal status than Trump himself.

Older Republican are obviously very threatened by her as they keep reverting back to her being a barwoman from NY.

Very capable and one to watch.

She has as many enemies in the DNC as in the GOP.

Pelosi and older Democrats hate her.

ollkiller · 08-01-2021 06:05PM

So he's not attending. What a man child of a person. And once again showing he's a coward.

Billy Mays · 08-01-2021 06:06PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

For one President to go after another is not a good look. If Biden claims to be a President for all of America then he can't go after the 75m people who support Trump, needs to pardon Trump, the same way Nixon was pardoned . If he doesn't then he'll never heal the nation. One man v the nation. Put country before Trump, and bring peace with a pardon.

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