Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Overheal · 08-01-2021 04:46PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Thankfully with the MAGA crowd, they only looted, vandalized and tried to bomb the place as well as both parties HQs around the corner.

The Cannon bldg and the other are tied to the Capitol by tunnel/hall. One of those halls is where that stupid terrorist bitch was shot at.

If they had made it into that hall, if you watch the video, the only thing between them and lawmakers was their office doors.

I cannot stress enough how close we came to watching a massacre and global hostage crisis.

Christy42 · 08-01-2021 04:47PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

No. Not sure how you are getting that from that. As I was clear, I never mentioned who was and wasn't responsible for trouble. Just that there was trouble. The people who caused trouble in Chicago/Detroit/Orlando/etc. could have also caused trouble in DC.

Quite a simple point really. There was a protest in DC that ended up in a disgraceful and shocking over-running of the Capitol building. I did not expect it. I presume that most people did not expect it.

Trying to make some nonsensical point by publishing a photo of National Guard on the steps of a monument after there had been night after night of already violent protests is irrelevant and a false equivalence.

There are frequent protests in DC. Probably every day there is at least one small one. The people in charge of security misjudged this one. That's hindsight now though. There have been plenty of other pro-Trump protests there since Nov. You didn't hear about them because the trouble wasn't enough to make international news for long.

Do you want the National Guard rolled out for every single one?

It's tiring to have people trying to twist things to virtue signal.

People flagged this as an issue a month ago. There has been a load of online conversations of going armed, rebellion and flat out murder.

Many people flagged this as the big day when the last hope the Trumpers had would get shattered. Many of them have said that violence was going to be their last option. This was all flagged well ahead of time that this had a strong odds of getting violent including on here. That their main targets would be the senate and house was also frequently mentioned on pro Trump message boards.

I am sure many did not see this coming. However I can't imagine security services are not heavily monitering those websites.

The main surprise is that security was so badly prepared for it.

Foxtrol · 08-01-2021 04:47PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Don't disagree on that point - There are definitely people with mental health issues involved , but not all and not a majority by any means.

There is also a strong connection between devout religious adherence and the willingness to accept unfounded conspiracy theories etc.

When you've spent your entire life being told that the answer to any challenging or complex question is "Because it's Gods will" of course you are more likely to accept things without evidence.

That's how you've be trained all your life!

What is also missing is the pure racism and hatred of anyone 'different' - it is what has driven supporters of Trump and the GOP for years

Overheal · 08-01-2021 04:48PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

There was, but it was so badly built it gave me a tumour.

Engineer here, as dumb as it may have looked, it was completely functional. Just add a stool and a victim and you're off to the races.

Overheal · 08-01-2021 04:51PM

Christy42 wrote: »

People flagged this as an issue a month ago. There has been a load of online conversations of going armed, rebellion and flat out murder.

Many people flagged this as the big day when the last hope the Trumpers had would get shattered. Many of them have said that violence was going to be their last option. This was all flagged well ahead of time that this had a strong odds of getting violent including on here. That their main targets would be the senate and house was also frequently mentioned on pro Trump message boards.

I am sure many did not see this coming. However I can't imagine security services are not heavily monitering those websites.

The main surprise is that security was so badly prepared for it.

It shocks me, because everything we have learned about the Pentagon in the last 20 years has conditioned us to accept that if you start talking about murdering the vice president online, that on some clerks desk in Langley they get notified about it.

Nobody can say the signals were not there. Who was processing them. How much interference rests on Trump's DOD appointees?

everlast75 · 08-01-2021 04:51PM

Another disgraceful precedent set

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347569870578266115?s=19

Foxtrol · 08-01-2021 04:52PM

Tell me how wrote: »

At least one of the people in that picture has been identified as a long time member of the military who retired from it at an officer level.

They're bringing a unique set of skills to this. I bet they watched Rambo at Christmas in full camo gear and pulled the front off themselves imagining they were the disenfranchised former marine who was fighting back against an errant government.

A DC police officer said that offduty police and military that were part of the mob were flashing their badges to get by check points (they were not undercover).

https://twitter.com/GSarafan/status/1347347678405996544?s=20

bocaman · 08-01-2021 04:53PM

The MAGA crowd feel a bit let down by Trump's denunciation of them.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/08/trump-incites-anger-among-acolytes-let-down-by-lack-of-support

FreudianSlippers · 08-01-2021 04:54PM

Overheal wrote: »

Pete has been offline for 2 months. Wondered what happened to him.

*kidding

Overheal · 08-01-2021 04:54PM

#levity

https://twitter.com/philofherrera/status/1347528314685165574?s=20

murpho999 · 08-01-2021 04:55PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Another disgraceful precedent set

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347569870578266115?s=19

Just typical him. Proabably just as well though, don't think Joe wants him there.

I think the inauguration might be a small indoor event this year as Biden cares about Covid and it will help security too.

walshb · 08-01-2021 04:56PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Another disgraceful precedent set

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347569870578266115?s=19

A despicable human being....

America is a basket case......

Tippex · 08-01-2021 04:57PM

never has the chrome plugin for Trumps tweets been more relevant

FreudianSlippers · 08-01-2021 04:58PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

No. Not sure how you are getting that from that. As I was clear, I never mentioned who was and wasn't responsible for trouble. Just that there was trouble. The people who caused trouble in Chicago/Detroit/Orlando/etc. could have also caused trouble in DC.

You didn't mention it, but it's still relevant because...

Quite a simple point really. There was a protest in DC that ended up in a disgraceful and shocking over-running of the Capitol building. I did not expect it. I presume that most people did not expect it.

Literally everyone expected it other than, apparently, the DoJ. Trump not only expected it, he incited it.

Trying to make some nonsensical point by publishing a photo of National Guard on the steps of a monument after there had been night after night of already violent protests is irrelevant and a false equivalence.

Sorry your point was that there was violence in other protests that BLM were present at; this violence involved the alt-right on the vast majority if not all occasions; therefore the DoJ was correct to assume that there would be violence at the BLM DC protest... because they knew alt-right would be there?

Therefore, we knew for weeks (because the President incited it) that the alt-right were going to "march down the Mall" or whatever but that the DoJ couldn't possibly have been aware that there would be violence?

There are frequent protests in DC. Probably every day there is at least one small one. The people in charge of security misjudged this one. That's hindsight now though. There have been plenty of other pro-Trump protests there since Nov. You didn't hear about them because the trouble wasn't enough to make international news for long.

Do you want the National Guard rolled out for every single one?

It's tiring to have people trying to twist things to virtue signal.

I'm not going to bother responding to this aspect, it's so disingenuous it doesn't deserve a response.

Tippex · 08-01-2021 04:58PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Just typical him. Proabably just as well though, don't think Joe wants him there.

I think the inauguration might be a small indoor event this year as Biden cares about Covid and it will help security too.

He was probably told due to covid restrictions it was being limited to close family and friends

runawaybishop · 08-01-2021 04:58PM

Overheal wrote: »

Engineer here, as dumb as it may have looked, it was completely functional. Just add a stool and a victim and you're off to the races.

Functional, maybe, but it hurt my eyes to look at it.

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FreudianSlippers · 08-01-2021 05:00PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Seriously, what is the hard on right wingers/Trump apologists have for statues?

They were losing their minds about them and any buildings being damaged over the summer and I've seen several posters here try to play down the incident this week due to how safe the statues were, basically ignoring the destruction to the buildings, attacks and the murder of police officers

The Confederate monuments and base names are all they have left of the glory days the last time they tried to go down this road. It's pathetic really when you think about it.

FreudianSlippers · 08-01-2021 05:01PM

Cody montana wrote: »

He was outlawed.

I bet most won't believe this, but my exile was self-imposed!

seamus · 08-01-2021 05:03PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Another disgraceful precedent set

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347569870578266115?s=19

He is such a pathetic loser.

Foxtrol · 08-01-2021 05:05PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

The Confederate monuments and base names are all they have left of the glory days the last time they tried to go down this road. It's pathetic really when you think about it.

It is, especially as Confederate monuments are the biggest 'participation trophies' in history. They would be so laughable if they weren't built to intimidate black citizens

Mike Murdock · 08-01-2021 05:07PM

FreudianSlippers · 08-01-2021 05:07PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

It is, especially as Confederate monuments are the biggest 'participation trophies' in history. They would be so laughable if they were built to intimidate black citizens

*weren't*

:P

robinph · 08-01-2021 05:09PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Just typical him. Proabably just as well though, don't think Joe wants him there.

I think the inauguration might be a small indoor event this year as Biden cares about Covid and it will help security too.

Was surprised they were going to the bother of setting up the scaffolding for the stands etc for the inugration anyway. Makes zero sense for Biden to hold a regular outdoor mass event even before this week happened.

briany · 08-01-2021 05:09PM

As bad as those MAGA supporters acted on Wednesday, it's even worse that they arrived there under completely false pretences, aggrieved by an injustice which didn't happen.

The reason why that is so bad is because this is a massive group of people potentially willing to partake in serious violence and insurrection based on an entirely invented conspiracy theory, and if a more competent man than Trump can harness that, then you shudder to think what could happen.

flazio · 08-01-2021 05:13PM

I'm relieved Trumps not going.

I also agree that the inauguration should be moved indoors to encourage people to stay safe at home. The events of Tuesday are likely to have caused a super spread.

namloc1980 · 08-01-2021 05:14PM

flazio wrote: »

I'm relieved Trumps not going.

I also agree that the inauguration should be moved indoors to encourage people to stay safe at home. The events of Tuesday are likely to have caused a super spread.

It definitely should be indoors/small event but you just know Trump, being the insecure petulant child that he is, will be going on about the crowd size. :rolleyes:

Overheal · 08-01-2021 05:14PM

flazio wrote: »

I'm relieved Trumps not going.

I also agree that the inauguration should be moved indoors to encourage people to stay safe at home. The events of Tuesday are likely to have caused a super spread.

No. We will not bow to terrorism.

The Raging Bile Duct · 08-01-2021 05:16PM

Overheal wrote: »

No. We will not bow to terrorism.

Who are 'we' in this instance?

Foxtrol · 08-01-2021 05:16PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

I for one was hugely shocked to see the Capitol breached. Did anyone on here expect that?

A bit of trouble, a few scuffles between protestors and counter-protestors. Protestors harassing random innocent civilians. Maybe the next level of some cars being burned or some stores being attacked.

Maybe others did predict the direct attack of the Capitol or other Federal buildings and they can point us to their posts on the thread doing so.

You're right, I predicted on here we'd see the usual two tier policing and soft touch on white mobs but I didn't predict that the level of collusion or utter incompetence of the police to go so soft to literally open gates, give directions, and take selfies with the white terrorists - risking the lives of their fellow officers, the entirety of 2 levels of government and most of the line of the presidential succession.

The mob could have been easily handled with even a fraction of the police response that it was clear in advance that the threat they posed deserved. The Capitol police were more prepared and stronger against disabled protesters than they were on these terrorists.

https://twitter.com/gutsywoman19/status/1346992180435574784?s=20

murpho999 · 08-01-2021 05:16PM

Overheal wrote: »

No. We will not bow to terrorism.

It's not about terrorism , it's about covid safety and sending a different message out. Trump's rallies were dangerous in more ways than one.

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