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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #2042
    SpacialNeeds
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    Simone Hollow Tumor wrote: »
    Are people really that thick.

    People are as thick as they need to be to do exactly what they want.


  • #2043
    titan18
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    Simone Hollow Tumor wrote: »
    From watching the news in the UK it seems people took the 3 households as meaning 3 different households each day. Are people really that thick.

    Tbf I've heard of people here going 3 different households at once.


  • #2044
    leahyl
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    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    People are as thick as they need to be to do exactly what they want.

    Exactly, they interpret the guidelines to fit the lives they want to live.


  • #2045
    [Deleted User]
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    What do you think Israel did?

    they paid a higher price to get access.

    money talks.

    very simple.

    do you really think that they threatened to Nuke Pfizer or sent Mossad in to kill their CEO or some other stupid suggestion along those lines.

    but as has been pointed out if more countries engaged in bidding then all it would achieve is to increase the price for currently limited resources

    also not all is going swimmingly well there - covid numbers surge and they are running out of vaccine stocks so will have to stop vaccination for a while

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/world/middleeast/israel-coronavirus-vaccine-palestinians.html


  • #2046
    jojofizzio
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    gipi wrote: »
    HSE already use PPSNs for medical cards and drug payment scheme cards.

    AFAIK they are using peoples PPSNs for vaccine rollout-mine was requested ahead of my appointment next week


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  • #2047
    Littleredcar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Littleredcar


    optogirl wrote: »
    I'm getting spots around the mask area. someone needs to invent an anti-wrinkle spot cream for the pubescent 41 year old :pac:
    Put some retinol on it - I’m using la roche possay retin serum I had a large island on my chin and it’s almost gone . Only use it at night - 2 nights Was all it took


  • #2048
    seamus
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    Simone Hollow Tumor wrote: »
    From watching the news in the UK it seems people took the 3 households as meaning 3 different households each day. Are people really that thick.
    People are not experts in disease control. I'd say in fact that it's a topic where a lot of people fall down, because it's not instantly intuitive or "common sense". And much of it goes against our basic social tendencies.

    Very many people took "No more than 3 households" to literally mean that - no more than 3 households at the same time. They may entertain 15 households that day; 3 at a time. Because that's what the guidelines said.

    Exactly the same reason why some people went out for dinner five nights a week and had family over for dinner on the sixth day.

    This is one of the big mistakes that was made by not being more prescriptive and leaving more room for "common sense".

    If the advice had been, "You should mix with no more than 3 different households in any week" and "you should go out to restaurants no more than once a week", then it may have been more effective. I'm sure many would have ignored the guidelines, but it might have driven home the message better about reducing socialising.


  • #2049
    JazzyJ
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    Simone Hollow Tumor wrote: »
    From watching the news in the UK it seems people took the 3 households as meaning 3 different households each day. Are people really that thick.

    Plenty of people doing that in Ireland too.

    I think there was a post a couple of weeks ago, where someone (in maybe a contact tracing role) was asked would it be alright if a different single household visited their mother each day, and between the children and grandchildren there would have been 30 people visiting her over the course of a few days. The penny dropped then!


  • #2050
    [Deleted User]
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    glasso wrote: »
    they paid a higher price to get access.

    money talks.

    very simple.

    do you really think that they threatened to Nuke Pfizer or sent Mossad in to kill their CEO or some other stupid suggestion along those lines.

    but as has been pointed out if more countries engaged in bidding then all it would achieve is to increase the price for currently limited resources

    also not all is going swimmingly well there - covid numbers surge and they are running out of vaccine stocks so will have to stop vaccination for a while

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/world/middleeast/israel-coronavirus-vaccine-palestinians.html

    Were expecting to have to slow vaccinations from next week but Netanyahu is a man on a mission to survive politically on the back of how this is handled and millions more vaccines expected to arrive, starting Sunday. https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel-to-lock-down-as-millions-more-vaccines-arrive-654672 And they are indeed entering fourth lockdown. Vaccinations no deterrent to lockdowns everywhere for a long time, especially here, at the rate the vaccinations are going.


  • #2051
    [Deleted User]
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    JazzyJ wrote: »
    Plenty of people doing that in Ireland too.

    I think there was a post a couple of weeks ago, where someone (in maybe a contact tracing role) was asked would it be alright if a different single household visited their mother each day, and between the children and grandchildren there would have been 30 people visiting her over the course of a few days. The penny dropped then!

    yes and that's exactly what plenty of morons did - leading to cases going from 300 a day in December to 6000 a day month later

    report from last week just before new years - and they are the ones actually telling the truth!

    https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-warning-covid-19-january-2021-5313110-Dec2020/
    HSE reporting 'around 100 cases a day' of people with between 20 and 30 close contacts


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  • #2052
    [Deleted User]
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    Balagan1 wrote: »
    Were expecting to have to slow vaccinations from next week but Netanyahu is a man on a mission to survive politically on the back of how this is handled and millions more vaccines expected to arrive, starting Sunday. https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel-to-lock-down-as-millions-more-vaccines-arrive-654672 And they are indeed entering fourth lockdown. Vaccinations no deterrent to lockdowns everywhere for a long time, especially here, at the rate the vaccinations are going.

    yes certainly assuming the vaccines give lasting immunity should see the country emerge out of the current situation

    Ireland like the other EU states are in the EU procurement system - some good news today with more Pfizer vaccines (another 300m procured)

    If AstraZenecca is approved soon that will improve the picture further

    Moderna unlikely to have much of an impact in the EU


  • #2053
    screamer
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    Genuinely interested to know why vaccine is being given to people who already had and survived COVID? Doesn’t give me much faith in the reported long term immunity.


  • #2054
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Army being drafted in to help with the vaccination programme, AstraZennica seeking approval next week. Hopes that approval will be granted within a month. Some more good news if approval granted.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/You


  • #2055
    MerlinSouthDub
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    5152 positive swabs
    18.88% + rate

    Making progress


  • #2056
    BringBackMick
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    Swabs today show signs we could have peaked


  • #2057
    Wolf359f
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    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    5152 positive swabs
    18.88% + rate

    Making progress

    Thank ****!


  • #2058
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,203 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Gardaí attended an incident in Blarney last night where a large gathering in excess of 100 people took place in a shed. Gardaí intervened & stopped the event & the gathered crowd was dispersed without any public order incidents.
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #2059
    MerlinSouthDub
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    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Swabs today show signs we could have peaked

    1st day for over a month when the 7 day positivity rate has fallen. It's still horrifically high mind you.


  • #2060
    seamus
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    Today is the first day my projections have tilted back downwards.

    The 7-day positivity rate has dropped (by .28%) for the first time since 12th Dec.

    Two more days like that and we're on the road. Hopefully Monday will be a good day.


  • #2061
    Sweet.Science
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Gardaí attended an incident in Blarney last night where a large gathering in excess of 100 people took place in a shed. Gardaí intervened & stopped the event & the gathered crowd was dispersed without any public order incidents.

    Zara King Virgin Media News


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  • #2062
    Eod100
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Gardaí attended an incident in Blarney last night where a large gathering in excess of 100 people took place in a shed. Gardaí intervened & stopped the event & the gathered crowd was dispersed without any public order incidents.

    Needs to be fixed fine for people breaching rules so obviously at this point tbh.


  • #2063
    Drumpot
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    How much has this positivity ratio been potentially affected by close contacts being told not to seek out a test? I’d also wonder if the strain is spreading more within households how many people aren’t bothering getting tested. Maybe not to much of a degree but it’s important not to get too excited (on positive or negative side) yet.

    Have we heard what happened to the 9k backlog ? Whatever the reason it’s less then inspiring that thus hasn’t been publicly addressed to a satisfying level. I just feel like it’s not clear right now how reliable the swab factors are as an indication of prevalence in society. It’s like how they changed the rules on cases in schools to paint a certain picture. If you tell people who have been in contact with those infected not to get tested your percentage ratio of those testing positive would surely come down by default.


  • #2064
    pauldry
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    The 9k backlog has been cleared I thought.

    Maybe Im wrong


  • #2065
    DOCARCH
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    seamus wrote: »
    Two more days like that and we're on the road. Hopefully Monday will be a good day.

    I think it may take longer to be more positive about the situation?

    With lack of testing of close contacts and lots of asymptomatic carriers out there, I think there could yet be a bit of a post Christmas/'back to work' bump in the numbers in a week or two.


  • #2066
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    Drumpot wrote: »
    How much has this positivity ratio been potentially affected by close contacts being told not to seek out a test? I’d also wonder if the strain is spreading more within households how many people aren’t bothering getting tested. Maybe not to much of a degree but it’s important not to get too excited (on positive or negative side) yet.

    Have we heard what happened to the 9k backlog ? Whatever the reason it’s less then inspiring that thus hasn’t been publicly addressed to a satisfying level. I just feel like it’s not clear right now how reliable the swab factors are as an indication of prevalence in society. It’s like how they changed the rules on cases in schools to paint a certain picture. If you tell people who have been in contact with those infected not to get tested your percentage ratio of those testing positive would surely come down by default.

    I do agree it's important not get carried away. It's worth noting that average positivity amount close contacts was around 12% so a restoration of close contact testing would reduce positivity rate.
    pauldry wrote: »
    The 9k backlog has been cleared I thought.

    Maybe Im wrong

    Looking at the difference between tests and swabs it can't have been.


  • #2067
    DOCARCH
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    pauldry wrote: »
    The 9k backlog has been cleared I thought.

    Maybe Im wrong

    It's under the carpet!


  • #2068
    spookwoman
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    Last nights HSE operations report was updated to include 8pm
    105 were recorded hospitalised in Cork and 93 in Beaumont.
    Beaumont 11, St James's 11 and Galway 13 reported in their Critical Care units.


  • #2069
    JP Liz V1
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Zara King Virgin Media News

    Any questions you'd like me to ask Tony
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #2070
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,203 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Last nights HSE operations report was updated to include 8pm
    105 were recorded hospitalised in Cork and 93 in Beaumont.
    Beaumont 11, St James's 11 and Galway 13 reported in their Critical Care units.

    109 in total in ICU
    https://forumofgames.com/




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  • #2071
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    screamer wrote: »
    Genuinely interested to know why vaccine is being given to people who already had and survived COVID? Doesn’t give me much faith in the reported long term immunity.

    It was indicated a good few weeks ago that the vaccines would generate a stronger and longer lasting immunity than naturally generated antibodies, which might be very weak if the infection was weak.

    I think a more pertinent point is why does everyone need to be vaccinated? Given that this is not permanent protection, and periodic vaccination cycles with be required (maybe annually like the flu vaccine) then why vaccinate everyone now? We are hardly going to vaccinate everyone every year.


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