Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The first vaccine to market got no funding from Warp Speed. The remaining vaccines in the programme were well under development when any funding was made available. Warp speed was quite similar to the EMA's advance purchase agreements with the addition of grants. The FDA approval was also expedited through use of the pre-existing EUA programme. What work was actually completed by Warp Speed is questionable

But it had a cool name. Give Trump some credit for a cool sounding name. As usual with Trump it's all fur coat and no knickers.

Would the people who are being arrested for the more minor offences have a plausible defence that they were acting (or reasonably believed so) under the instruction of the lawful President? Would be interesting to see a lawyer run with it, but no idea if it would be a valid defence under USA laws.

By 'minor' I mean the people who are wanted for 'violence at Capitol Hill' as per Overheal's post #4157. Obviously the people with pipe-bombs or who have killed a police officer are different.

Polar101 wrote: »

Yes. But it wasn't much of an attempt, or much of a coup.

Did they have a plan of what they were going to do? March in, kill a few democrats and wait for Trump to make a declaration, or what?

The plan was riot,?????, profit. It had a higher likelihood of success than Trump trying to pressure Pence into doing something he can't do.

They seemed to think as soon as they did this the country would rise up with them and the 100 million entirely fanatical Trump voters (in their minds) would rise up with them. Republicans would see the strength and all follow in while they killed all the CCP agents that make up the democratic party.

Was a good coup, no. They have no grounding in reality, actually making a strategic plan is impossible for them because of this.

Smee_Again wrote: »

Just heard Pat Kenny say that the Police Officer who was killed was attacked and hit over the head with a fire extinguisher.

Nothing peaceful about that.

That will be a major turning point here. A police man was murdered by a mob which Trump and his supporters invited.
Any words now are pointless. As this was unfolding Trump could have come out and called for calm.
He could have said please sit on the lawn have a peaceful protest, instead he gleefully watched the violence unfold.
Any words of regret now should be dismissed.

He still hasn't pulled back on his serious allegations of voter fraud. That in itself should be grounds for impeachment. A president that refuses to accept the legal will of the people, as determined by election and numerous court cases since.

joe40 wrote: »

That will be a major turning point here. A police man was murdered by a mob which Trump and his supporters invited.
Any words now are pointless. As this was unfolding Trump could have come out and called for calm.
He could have said please sit on the lawn have a peaceful protest, instead he gleefully watched the violence unfold.
Any words of regret now should be dismissed.

He still hasn't pulled back on his serious allegations of voter fraud. That in itself should be grounds for impeachment. A president that refuses to accept the legal will of the people, as determined by election and numerous court cases since.

Won't happen. Trump's supporters are showing a lot of cognitive dissonance. Right now they're out there claiming it was all an Antifa/BLM false flag thing. Weirdly they'll go on about how sad it is an innocent US Vet was killed in the building, but it was still an Antifa thing.

Sonics2k wrote: »

Won't happen. Trump's supporters are showing a lot of cognitive dissonance. Right now they're out there claiming it was all an Antifa/BLM false flag thing. Weirdly they'll go on about how sad it is an innocent US Vet was killed in the building, but it was still an Antifa thing.

But, according to that logic, wouldn't that Vet be a member of Antifa? And so, shouldn't they be happy with that?

Tony EH wrote: »

I don't think anybody had thought things through.

That’s sort of their trademark

Christy42 wrote: »

There is never any logic. Logic is flat out banned. She was a patriot but the people charging the capitol including her were Antifa but she was a Trump supporting patriot.

I'd love to see a bit of research on the mental health status and the IQ of Trumpists.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

But, according to that logic, wouldn't that Vet be a member of Antifa? And so, shouldn't they be happy with that?

Like I said, cognitive dissonance. They'll accept what they like and dismiss the rest.

I literally know yanks that truly believe 9/11 was an inside job by the Deep State, but still entirely support the idea of evil Muslims and invading Afghanistan/Iraq was the best idea for revenge.

It's weird looking at America from the outside in, but they probably have some of the best propaganda in the world. Even questioning certain actions makes you "Un-American" and a communist. They're largely raised to truly believe their military are all heroes and only do the right thing, and if they do a bad thing it's only because the bad thing was really a good thing.

Like or dislike her politics, AOC is a fine example of the American Dream. Coming from a lower class background, put herself through university while working an awful job at a diner but has worked her ass off to become a US Rep. Despite this, Trump supporters will refuse to acknowledge this because of her political views.

Tony EH wrote: »

Well, I wouldn't go that far Overheal.

In fairness, if they had acted in a more heavy handed fashion, it could have been a bloodbath. I don't think anyone would want to see that.

Besides once they were in the building, they really hadn't a clue what to do with themselves. I don't think anybody had thought things through.

they opened the barriers. an officer can be seen waving them in. I think collusion is quite apt.

Sonics2k wrote: »

Won't happen. Trump's supporters are showing a lot of cognitive dissonance. Right now they're out there claiming it was all an Antifa/BLM false flag thing. Weirdly they'll go on about how sad it is an innocent US Vet was killed in the building, but it was still an Antifa thing.

I don't think impeachment will happen either, I just think it definitely should. His behaviour has been criminal, and has directly led to the death of a police officer defending the seat of govt.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Everything needs to be investigated. However, not taking a phone call is a far cry from what the article is implying. Their 'sources' are an unnamed Parisian security official and two unspecified agents from NATO countries. It's laced with supposition and innuendo based.

I appreciate that, however it's already been reported by more than one source. Rachel Maddow was discussing it yesterday evening

duploelabs wrote: »

I appreciate that, however it's already been reported by more than one source. Rachel Maddow was discussing it yesterday evening

I can't see how it possibly could happen. Most of the security agencies such as the CIA and FBI would not be pro Trump. Any hint of Trump organising this attack as a bona fide coup would have been picked up immediately and exposed. These people are too diverse anyway: Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, QAnon etc. It was stoked by Trump but the idea that he organised it is farfetched. It was a loose band of extremists who wandered around the building like schoolchildren on a day trip once they got in.

Tony EH wrote: »

"Collusion" is a strong word though. Colluding in what? A coup? The murder of elected representatives? Or breaking into a public building?

I don't really see evidence for any of the the above to be honest. I figure it was more to do with a safety valve response more than anything else. Let the fools have their 15 minutes of fame and then tell them to bugger off home. A dangerous game, no doubt. But a lot less dangerous than opening up on a crowd of nutters.

there was no dangerous crush at the barriers. they opened them anyway and yelled "go, go" to the protestors. certainly sounds collusive to me.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I can't see how it possibly could happen. Most of the security agencies such as the CIA and FBI would not be pro Trump. Any hint of Trump organising this attack as a bona fide coup would have been picked up immediately and exposed. These people are too diverse anyway: Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, QAnon etc. It was stoked by Trump but the idea that he organised it is farfetched. It was a loose band of extremists who wandered around the building like schoolchildren on a day trip once they got in.

The vast majority of the mob may be that - useful idiots - but that doesn't mean that there aren't people inside the government and agencies willing to facilitate it in whatever way they can. I've worked with otherwise sane Americans who genuinely are afraid of the Dems and who would be tempted to go along with a Trump coup if it meant "Republican for ever" government.