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Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Stopped as soon as he started speaking.

    This is what happens when you take too many drugs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    There are photos of him meeting Giuliani.

    Is Rudy's trousers up or down?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,348 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Weepsie wrote: »
    They were not all votes for trump though. Not all 74 million just as not all 81 million were for biden.

    A lot of trump's were just staunch Republicans who would have voted for whatever patsy was running and will continue to do so.

    And over the next few years they'll be gravitated toward that and increasingly away from Trump, who'll become more and more irrelevant. In fact, I'd wager that a large % of those Republican only clowns will have already abandoned any support they had for him after last nights antics. It's just a pity they didn't have any kind of political integrity beforehand.
    Weepsie wrote: »
    Same for the democrats, however biden probably got a.lot of anti-trump voters too, not because they're democrats or care about biden bit they're just so completely sick of Trump.

    There's a hair's breadth of difference between both parties. They have more in common than anything else and are saddled to the same corporate interests. The idea that they are polar opposites is just laughable. It's especially so when one side tries to label the Democrats as a Left wing or (even more funny) Socialist entity. Biden, though, like Clinton is the conservative option within the Democratic Party, so it made it easy for some dyed in the wool Republican voters to opt out of Trump and opt in to Biden. I'd also say that there were a fair number of Republican party voters who just abstained, like Democrat voters who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hilary in 2016.
    Weepsie wrote: »
    Why there are still only 2 realistic parties is bizarre too, because even within these parties there are many factions that would have different ideas of republicanism and what it is democrats do.

    The entire structure needs to be gutted and rebuilt. It's rotten to the core. What America has, in reality, is a ONE party system, that has two slightly different flavours and the pretence that each "side" is voting for a completely different set of criteria.
    Weepsie wrote: »
    The liberal party , well less said about them the better.

    I presume you mean the Libertarians? Which is a very different thing altogether. If they had their way, the country would be laughed backward to the 19th Century. They're every man for themselves bullshit would be an absolute disaster for the vast majority of people.
    Weepsie wrote: »
    They need new parties or new ideas, some that are more centrist with a mix of left and right leaning people that are in it for the greater good and not some bull**** idea of the American dream

    Not going to happen. Not in our lifetime anyway. The cartel of the Demorepublicans has too strong a grip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    dasdog wrote: »
    He has some interesting views to say the least.

    And this is why Cambridge Analytica intentionally target those with cognitive and mental health issues.


  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Marlee Breezy Yawn


    And this is why Cambridge Analytica intentionally target those with cognitive and mental health issues.

    Zuckerberg let's them do it. He needs to be hauled in before the senate again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,805 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Secretary of Transportation, Elaine Chao (wife of Mitch McConnell) has resigned.

    What a cowards way out. If she feels that strongly about the sedition of her boss, then while at the Cabinet table she could have put all her energy in rallying the cabinet members to push Pence to trigger the 25th amendment.

    Nothing but cowards on top of cowards in Washington.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    My hope is, now the dragon has been vanquished, that Biden can indeed embark on a project of de-escalation and de-polarisation. I don't envy his task.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,589 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The Trump family ego probably means some of them will try solo runs in 2024 hoping that the existing loons are loyal enough. It would only fracture the Rep vote and give the Democrats a very handy win.


    The Republican Party is likely shagged for a while last night will be the pinnacle defining moment of Trumps Republican leadership. Theres been many moments but last night was the crown on the septic tank of his rule.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭feargale


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Didn't matter.

    Do the right thing.

    Impeach him again.

    Make him the only president to be impeached twice.

    I don't want Trump impeached or kicked out under the 25th Amendment for the sake of two weeks. If that happens Pence takes over and despite everything I don't trust Pence not to pardon him.

    If I were prepared to stoop as low as Trump I would shout "lock him up" but unlike Trump I believe in the rule of law and due process.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,485 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Secretary of Transportation, Elaine Chao (wife of Mitch McConnell) has resigned.

    What a cowards way out. If she feels that strongly about the sedition of her boss, then while at the Cabinet table she could have put all her energy in rallying the cabinet members to push Pence to trigger the 25th amendment.

    Nothing but cowards on top of cowards in Washington.

    While i agree its the cowards way out the likes of Devos arent gonna agree to enact the 25th and it has to be unanimous.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    pjohnson wrote: »
    The Trump family ego probably means some of them will try solo runs in 2024 hoping that the existing loons are loyal enough. It would only fracture the Rep vote and give the Democrats a very handy win.


    The Republican Party is likely shagged for a while last night will be the pinnacle defining moment of Trumps Republican leadership. Theres been many moments but last night was the crown on the septic tank of his rule.

    Ivanka called them “Patriots” then deleted it.
    Trump Jr. is on a video with Guilfoyle before Trumps speech telling people to “do the right thing: fight!”

    So unless Eric made it through this scandal unscathed there will be no Trump dynasty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    VinLieger wrote: »
    While i agree its the cowards way out the likes of Devos arent gonna agree to enact the 25th and it has to be unanimous.

    It does not have to be unanimous. Google it..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,589 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Overheal wrote: »
    Ivanka called them “Patriots” then deleted it.
    Trump Jr. is on a video with Guilfoyle before Trumps speech telling people to “do the right thing: fight!”

    So unless Eric made it through this scandal unscathed there will be no Trump dynasty.
    Do you think that would actually stop Ivanka or MinnieDon from trying?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    My hope is, now the dragon has been vanquished, that Biden can indeed embark on a project of de-escalation and de-polarisation. I don't envy his task.

    I don't think Biden is acting to deescalate at the moment.

    Hard words said.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I don't think Biden is acting to deescalate at the moment.

    Hard words said.

    You want Biden to say that the claims of election fraud are justified or that they have a point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,129 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Overheal wrote: »
    Ivanka called them “Patriots” then deleted it.
    Trump Jr. is on a video with Guilfoyle before Trumps speech telling people to “do the right thing: fight!”

    So unless Eric made it through this scandal unscathed there will be no Trump dynasty.

    Eric seems to feel quite strongly about this, I presume he was right there smashing windows putting himself in harms way?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    The Pence/Harris presidency is going to be a disaster if they can't both get a handle on this kind of stuff early and also play a blinder for the next 4 years so Trump 2.0 doesn't happen in 2024.


    You have a lot of motivated, organised disenfranchised voters who have just seen "The Swamp" turn the secret service and DC police on them (it doesn't matter that the protesters started this ****, they won't see it that way) whilst their leader told them they are patriots.


    That's not going to disappear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I don't think Biden is acting to deescalate at the moment.

    Hard words said.
    The Democrats are in the ascendancy and could well be in the mood for vengeance but i dont think it's what America needs. Can Biden heal the bleeding land? I hope so indeed. It was positive to see Mayor Wheeler in Portland come out with his moderate talk recently - we need to see a wholesale rejection of extremism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    The Pence/Harris presidency is going to be a disaster if they can't both get a handle on this kind of stuff early and also play a blinder for the next 4 years so Trump 2.0 doesn't happen in 2024.


    You have a lot of motivated, organised disenfranchised voters who have just seen "The Swamp" turn the secret service and DC police on them (it doesn't matter that the protesters started this ****, they won't see it that way) whilst their leader told them they are patriots.


    That's not going to disappear.

    Trump's followers are a follow on from the Tea Party movement. It's not easy keeping support with the blue collar people you step on. That's why they need the lies, spin and scaremongering to keep them on side.
    Trump will be nearing his 80's, he can't continue IMO. He'll haunt the political circuit and possibly get involved in other ways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    robinph wrote: »
    You want Biden to say that the claims of election fraud are justified or that they have a point?

    Nope.

    Just saying he sounds like he is putting out strong rather than conciliatory words.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,686 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The Pence/Harris presidency is going to be a disaster if they can't both get a handle on this kind of stuff early and also play a blinder for the next 4 years so Trump 2.0 doesn't happen in 2024.


    You have a lot of motivated, organised disenfranchised voters who have just seen "The Swamp" turn the secret service and DC police on them (it doesn't matter that the protesters started this ****, they won't see it that way) whilst their leader told them they are patriots.


    That's not going to disappear.

    The what now??


  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Marlee Breezy Yawn


    Overheal wrote: »
    Ivanka called them “Patriots” then deleted it.
    Trump Jr. is on a video with Guilfoyle before Trumps speech telling people to “do the right thing: fight!”

    So unless Eric made it through this scandal unscathed there will be no Trump dynasty.


    Barron is the one that will catch us all by surprise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Sarcozies




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Nope.

    Just saying he sounds like he is putting out strong rather than conciliatory words.

    I thought it’s exactly what’s needed. Very strongly pointed out why Trump is so dangerous and why he’s abused the position. Everything he said is the truth, the truth isn’t harsh, it needs to be heard and people clearly need to be educated on how much Trump has abused his position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,805 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I don't think Biden is acting to deescalate at the moment.

    Hard words said.

    I was in two minds about his comment there.

    But as I consider it, I think Biden is making it crystal clear to anyone heading into Govt on the Dem side, who may be letting the clean sweep go to their head, that the job they face as an administration to unpick and address 4 years of Trump era damage, may be the most challenging task of any Government in the 250 years of the United States.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    If I were a member of Republican strategy groups I would be reaching out to Paul Ryan begging him to come back into politics.

    He was the first significant name to jump from the Trump ship and now they need a younger, more moderate head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,531 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Overheal wrote: »
    Ivanka called them “Patriots” then deleted it.
    Trump Jr. is on a video with Guilfoyle before Trumps speech telling people to “do the right thing: fight!”

    So unless Eric made it through this scandal unscathed there will be no Trump dynasty.
    Saw that video of jnr earlier. Jaw all over the shop. Loves his cocaine that lad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,280 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    feargale wrote: »
    I don't want Trump impeached or kicked out under the 25th Amendment for the sake of two weeks. If that happens Pence takes over and despite everything I don't trust Pence not to pardon him.

    If I were prepared to stoop as low as Trump I would shout "lock him up" but unlike Trump I believe in the rule of law and due process.

    I do want trump impeached and the senate to bar him from any further public office. that would put a stop to his grift as he wouldn't be able to solicit donations for a campaign. and there is not a hope in hell of pence pardoning him now. he seems as sick of trump as the rest of us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    A few white nutters break into Congress and are shot dead = What did they expect

    A few black nutters break into and loot shops and businesses during BLM eh "protests" and the police stand by watching = They are oppressed

    Liberal logic.

    If you believe police were tougher on the mob of white terrorists yesterday than BLM protesters you are completely deluded.

    Even last night, NYPD were much more aggressive against small group of BLM protesters who were protesting on public sidewalks and streets than anything seen in DC where the MAGA mob attacked police and vandalised and looted the Capitol building.


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  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Marlee Breezy Yawn


    All Trumps quislings very silent today.

    Not even @presssec has put out anything.


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