Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

jill_valentine · 07-01-2021 07:08PM

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Stopped as soon as he started speaking.

There are photos of him meeting Giuliani.

briany · 07-01-2021 07:14PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Jamiroquai has really let himself down since the music career went belly up.

Yeah, his insanity's a lot less virtual these days, judging from that clip.

Tell me how · 07-01-2021 07:15PM

Weepsie wrote: »

They were not all votes for trump though. Not all 74 million just as not all 81 million were for biden.

A lot of trump's were just staunch Republicans who would have voted for whatever patsy was running and will continue to do so.

Same for the democrats, however biden probably got a.lot of anti-trump voters too, not because they're democrats or care about biden bit they're just so completely sick of Trump.

Agree. Have previously said here 40% of electorate who will usually vote are pretty iron clad for either Republican or Democrat. 15% probably fluctuate a bit and the last 5% are 'no hope' candidates supporters.

Victory comes in which side can motivate most of their own dedicated people to come out and vote and can appeal to the 15% who might fluctuate.

Weepsie wrote: »

Why there are still only 2 realistic parties is bizarre too, because even within these parties there are many factions that would have different ideas of republicanism and what it is democrats do.

Think the size of the country is a big factor. There was about half a billion spend on the run off races in Georgia in the last 2 months. :eek: Any party trying to get in to the game on a national level either will have to have super funding (one of richest people or organizations in the world level of funding) or will start locally or regional, and build gradually. But, people are constrained by their own ambitions and if you had political interests as a 25 year old, which would appeal to you more? Aligning yourself with one of the behemoths, or eeking out a cohort of like minded people in the local city hall and possibly target state elections in 15 years and maybe make a run at a house seat ten years after that? Bear in mind what Bernie Sanders did in this respect.

When Obama won, there was talk from some Republicans of a 'Tea party' which would probably have taken many from the more conservative wing of the Republican party but that died fairly quickly. I saw Sarah Palin resurrect talk around this in the last few days again but it is worth noting that the RNC and DNC would see talk of a new 'affiliate' party as being very bad for their hopes to take control and so would do their best to stomp it out before it gained much momentum.

Cody montana · 07-01-2021 07:15PM

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Stopped as soon as he started speaking.

This is what happens when you take too many drugs.

The Inbetween is mine · 07-01-2021 07:18PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

There are photos of him meeting Giuliani.

Is Rudy's trousers up or down?

Tony EH · 07-01-2021 07:27PM

Weepsie wrote: »

They were not all votes for trump though. Not all 74 million just as not all 81 million were for biden.

A lot of trump's were just staunch Republicans who would have voted for whatever patsy was running and will continue to do so.

And over the next few years they'll be gravitated toward that and increasingly away from Trump, who'll become more and more irrelevant. In fact, I'd wager that a large % of those Republican only clowns will have already abandoned any support they had for him after last nights antics. It's just a pity they didn't have any kind of political integrity beforehand.

Weepsie wrote: »

Same for the democrats, however biden probably got a.lot of anti-trump voters too, not because they're democrats or care about biden bit they're just so completely sick of Trump.

There's a hair's breadth of difference between both parties. They have more in common than anything else and are saddled to the same corporate interests. The idea that they are polar opposites is just laughable. It's especially so when one side tries to label the Democrats as a Left wing or (even more funny) Socialist entity. Biden, though, like Clinton is the conservative option within the Democratic Party, so it made it easy for some dyed in the wool Republican voters to opt out of Trump and opt in to Biden. I'd also say that there were a fair number of Republican party voters who just abstained, like Democrat voters who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hilary in 2016.

Weepsie wrote: »

Why there are still only 2 realistic parties is bizarre too, because even within these parties there are many factions that would have different ideas of republicanism and what it is democrats do.

The entire structure needs to be gutted and rebuilt. It's rotten to the core. What America has, in reality, is a ONE party system, that has two slightly different flavours and the pretence that each "side" is voting for a completely different set of criteria.

Weepsie wrote: »

The liberal party , well less said about them the better.

I presume you mean the Libertarians? Which is a very different thing altogether. If they had their way, the country would be laughed backward to the 19th Century. They're every man for themselves bullshit would be an absolute disaster for the vast majority of people.

Weepsie wrote: »

They need new parties or new ideas, some that are more centrist with a mix of left and right leaning people that are in it for the greater good and not some bull**** idea of the American dream

Not going to happen. Not in our lifetime anyway. The cartel of the Demorepublicans has too strong a grip.

Carfacemandog · 07-01-2021 07:28PM

dasdog wrote: »

He has some interesting views to say the least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNl0V6KkOrM

And this is why Cambridge Analytica intentionally target those with cognitive and mental health issues.

07-01-2021 07:30PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

And this is why Cambridge Analytica intentionally target those with cognitive and mental health issues.

Zuckerberg let's them do it. He needs to be hauled in before the senate again.

Larbre34 · 07-01-2021 07:43PM

Secretary of Transportation, Elaine Chao (wife of Mitch McConnell) has resigned.

What a cowards way out. If she feels that strongly about the sedition of her boss, then while at the Cabinet table she could have put all her energy in rallying the cabinet members to push Pence to trigger the 25th amendment.

Nothing but cowards on top of cowards in Washington.

suicide_circus · 07-01-2021 07:48PM

My hope is, now the dragon has been vanquished, that Biden can indeed embark on a project of de-escalation and de-polarisation. I don't envy his task.

pjohnson · 07-01-2021 07:48PM

The Trump family ego probably means some of them will try solo runs in 2024 hoping that the existing loons are loyal enough. It would only fracture the Rep vote and give the Democrats a very handy win.

The Republican Party is likely shagged for a while last night will be the pinnacle defining moment of Trumps Republican leadership. Theres been many moments but last night was the crown on the septic tank of his rule.

feargale · 07-01-2021 07:48PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Didn't matter.

Do the right thing.

Impeach him again.

Make him the only president to be impeached twice.

I don't want Trump impeached or kicked out under the 25th Amendment for the sake of two weeks. If that happens Pence takes over and despite everything I don't trust Pence not to pardon him.

If I were prepared to stoop as low as Trump I would shout "lock him up" but unlike Trump I believe in the rule of law and due process.

VinLieger · 07-01-2021 07:50PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Secretary of Transportation, Elaine Chao (wife of Mitch McConnell) has resigned.

What a cowards way out. If she feels that strongly about the sedition of her boss, then while at the Cabinet table she could have put all her energy in rallying the cabinet members to push Pence to trigger the 25th amendment.

Nothing but cowards on top of cowards in Washington.

While i agree its the cowards way out the likes of Devos arent gonna agree to enact the 25th and it has to be unanimous.

Overheal · 07-01-2021 07:52PM

pjohnson wrote: »

The Trump family ego probably means some of them will try solo runs in 2024 hoping that the existing loons are loyal enough. It would only fracture the Rep vote and give the Democrats a very handy win.

The Republican Party is likely shagged for a while last night will be the pinnacle defining moment of Trumps Republican leadership. Theres been many moments but last night was the crown on the septic tank of his rule.

Ivanka called them “Patriots” then deleted it.
Trump Jr. is on a video with Guilfoyle before Trumps speech telling people to “do the right thing: fight!”

So unless Eric made it through this scandal unscathed there will be no Trump dynasty.

Overheal · 07-01-2021 07:53PM

VinLieger wrote: »

While i agree its the cowards way out the likes of Devos arent gonna agree to enact the 25th and it has to be unanimous.

It does not have to be unanimous. Google it..

pjohnson · 07-01-2021 07:53PM

Overheal wrote: »

Ivanka called them “Patriots” then deleted it.
Trump Jr. is on a video with Guilfoyle before Trumps speech telling people to “do the right thing: fight!”

So unless Eric made it through this scandal unscathed there will be no Trump dynasty.

Do you think that would actually stop Ivanka or MinnieDon from trying?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 07-01-2021 07:55PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

My hope is, now the dragon has been vanquished, that Biden can indeed embark on a project of de-escalation and de-polarisation. I don't envy his task.

I don't think Biden is acting to deescalate at the moment.

Hard words said.

robinph · 07-01-2021 07:57PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I don't think Biden is acting to deescalate at the moment.

Hard words said.

You want Biden to say that the claims of election fraud are justified or that they have a point?

salmocab · 07-01-2021 07:59PM

Overheal wrote: »

Ivanka called them “Patriots” then deleted it.
Trump Jr. is on a video with Guilfoyle before Trumps speech telling people to “do the right thing: fight!”

So unless Eric made it through this scandal unscathed there will be no Trump dynasty.

Eric seems to feel quite strongly about this, I presume he was right there smashing windows putting himself in harms way?

oldtimeyfella · 07-01-2021 08:00PM

The Pence/Harris presidency is going to be a disaster if they can't both get a handle on this kind of stuff early and also play a blinder for the next 4 years so Trump 2.0 doesn't happen in 2024.

You have a lot of motivated, organised disenfranchised voters who have just seen "The Swamp" turn the secret service and DC police on them (it doesn't matter that the protesters started this ****, they won't see it that way) whilst their leader told them they are patriots.

That's not going to disappear.

suicide_circus · 07-01-2021 08:01PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I don't think Biden is acting to deescalate at the moment.

Hard words said.

The Democrats are in the ascendancy and could well be in the mood for vengeance but i dont think it's what America needs. Can Biden heal the bleeding land? I hope so indeed. It was positive to see Mayor Wheeler in Portland come out with his moderate talk recently - we need to see a wholesale rejection of extremism.

James Brown · 07-01-2021 08:04PM

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

The Pence/Harris presidency is going to be a disaster if they can't both get a handle on this kind of stuff early and also play a blinder for the next 4 years so Trump 2.0 doesn't happen in 2024.

You have a lot of motivated, organised disenfranchised voters who have just seen "The Swamp" turn the secret service and DC police on them (it doesn't matter that the protesters started this ****, they won't see it that way) whilst their leader told them they are patriots.

That's not going to disappear.

Trump's followers are a follow on from the Tea Party movement. It's not easy keeping support with the blue collar people you step on. That's why they need the lies, spin and scaremongering to keep them on side.
Trump will be nearing his 80's, he can't continue IMO. He'll haunt the political circuit and possibly get involved in other ways.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 07-01-2021 08:04PM

robinph wrote: »

You want Biden to say that the claims of election fraud are justified or that they have a point?

Nope.

Just saying he sounds like he is putting out strong rather than conciliatory words.

namloc1980 · 07-01-2021 08:04PM

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

The Pence/Harris presidency is going to be a disaster if they can't both get a handle on this kind of stuff early and also play a blinder for the next 4 years so Trump 2.0 doesn't happen in 2024.

You have a lot of motivated, organised disenfranchised voters who have just seen "The Swamp" turn the secret service and DC police on them (it doesn't matter that the protesters started this ****, they won't see it that way) whilst their leader told them they are patriots.

That's not going to disappear.

The what now??

07-01-2021 08:07PM

Overheal wrote: »

Ivanka called them “Patriots” then deleted it.
Trump Jr. is on a video with Guilfoyle before Trumps speech telling people to “do the right thing: fight!”

So unless Eric made it through this scandal unscathed there will be no Trump dynasty.

Barron is the one that will catch us all by surprise.

Sarcozies · 07-01-2021 08:09PM

https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1346989752910692363?s=19

Drumpot · 07-01-2021 08:11PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Nope.

Just saying he sounds like he is putting out strong rather than conciliatory words.

I thought it’s exactly what’s needed. Very strongly pointed out why Trump is so dangerous and why he’s abused the position. Everything he said is the truth, the truth isn’t harsh, it needs to be heard and people clearly need to be educated on how much Trump has abused his position.

Larbre34 · 07-01-2021 08:12PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I don't think Biden is acting to deescalate at the moment.

Hard words said.

I was in two minds about his comment there.

But as I consider it, I think Biden is making it crystal clear to anyone heading into Govt on the Dem side, who may be letting the clean sweep go to their head, that the job they face as an administration to unpick and address 4 years of Trump era damage, may be the most challenging task of any Government in the 250 years of the United States.

Faugheen · 07-01-2021 08:25PM

If I were a member of Republican strategy groups I would be reaching out to Paul Ryan begging him to come back into politics.

He was the first significant name to jump from the Trump ship and now they need a younger, more moderate head.

Billy Mays · 07-01-2021 08:25PM

Overheal wrote: »

Ivanka called them “Patriots” then deleted it.
Trump Jr. is on a video with Guilfoyle before Trumps speech telling people to “do the right thing: fight!”

So unless Eric made it through this scandal unscathed there will be no Trump dynasty.

Saw that video of jnr earlier. Jaw all over the shop. Loves his cocaine that lad

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